More on the MCS Stumbling Issue

Here's a very interesting update on some of the software issues that a few of us have been experiencing. It was sent in by Phobol who was lucky enough to meet with engineers at the BMW Eastern Division Research Center:

I met with engineers today again, at their work place (more about it below) and they took my MCS for a drive, came back and said that, “yes, it's there” but they can't fix it for several reasons:

1. DMI is self adjusting and adapting, and to fix this problem they would have to change the adaptation logarithms.

2. They can't change software code, only versions because the software is owned by Siemens who in turn subcontracts Recarro to develop it. Neither of these companies want to lose full control of the software, so they won't let BMW group play with it.

3. It may have something to do with the “anti-jerk” feature designed specifically for front wheel cars, that adjusts the throttle to avoid the yank of the wheel. It kicks in just when you accelerate. What apparently happened is that Recarro only tested the software in England and Germany and figured that if it's good enough fo London and Munich, it's good for the rest of the world. WRONG!!! The heat factor plays a big role in when that “anti-jerk” kicks in and how much.

4. This is why the two engineers are going to Arizona next week. They will collect all the data they can and then relay it to Recarro who in turn is supposed to make changes to software.

This is a lot of info to absorb in half an hour, so I MAY be wrong about exact details (i.e. company names)

I was very impressed and surprised by the hospitality. Wonderful people making wonderful products. MINI is just one of them, and I am positive that all of the problems will be fixed soon, because they are aware of them and are working hard to get the fixes out to us.”

Great info – thanks!

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  • Frank

    There is another very interesting fact acknowledged by the BMW engineers during Phobol's visit there. It appears to be that the stumble or engine stutter tends to become more pronounced when the gas tank is about 1/8 to 1/4 full, and the ambient temperature is above 90F degrees with humidity factor in the 30% to 90% ranges.

    While I continue to say that software version update 33.2 has been very clean so far for the Cooper CVT, this week I have experienced the engine stutter (RPM's suddenly dropping while the car is idling in “D” mode from 1,100 RPM to 500 RPM and then bouncing back) meanwhile the gas tank was at or below the 1/4 full mark and the exterior temperature was 95F+ and humidity around 85%.

    This problem doesn't happen when the gas tank is full or at least at by the 1/2 mark or either morning or night when both ambient temperature and humidity are lower than in the middle of the day.

    To me this is not a problem with the sensors in the car. All the sensors in the car do is to collect data and send it over to the main EMS2000 Siemens DME for further processing. There is definetely a glitch in the software because when the gas tank is low perhaps some sort of vapor lock forms in the tank, the sensors collect this information and add to the mix the high ambient temperature and humidity and bingo! You get a sudden stutter.

    I think this is the reason why these problems become so much more evident in warm weather and places with naturally hot climates.

    Very interesting findings…stay tuned.

  • Paul Deacon

    just a quick note the company that I believe did the Powertrain and NVH development was Ricardo – they are a independant engineering consultant based in the US

    Now I know that I will call a buddy who works their to see if they a “factory code developed for more performance – Typically they get backed of for driveability, emissions etc

    great site by rthe way just found you..

  • http://............ tomorthway

    thank you very much

  • Camcam

    seems to me that de stumble disapear on my Cooper s with de ASC+T switched off!!!


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