Comments on: New MINI Engine Caught Testing http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/ MINI Cooper news, reviews and opinion. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:26:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Timmee http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-214859 Timmee Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:47:37 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-214859 <p>Heh. Quite interesting reading these old posts.</p> Heh. Quite interesting reading these old posts.

]]> By: Damien Azzopardi http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-64353 Damien Azzopardi Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:53:35 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-64353 <p>Well guys, you all seemed worried about the new peugeot engines....well i live in europe in a small island in the mediterrian and there are alot of peugoet cars around of all sorts. I have and old 1989 petrol peugeot 405 my self. Its true, maybe between the 90 to let say 97 peugeot was a mess in engines, but today the story is different...today engines are very effeicent and relaible. In the diesel engines with the HDi peugeot is making a real hit here, very good and in petrol is good too. My friends have peugeots 106, 206 and 307 with 1.6 and 1.4 petrol and they tuned them, and revs them and pushes them to the limit and no damage so far, my 1.6 liter is old but i does the job too, thousands of miles and no problems so far, just normal maintance.</p> <p>Well it doesnt mean that every engine will be perfect but believe, with a country full of peugeot i can say a word or too. And for the USA people, just to let you know tha peugeot made a very big progress in engines, smooth, effiecient and fun to drive especially with the new turbo engines.</p> <p>And if the mini had the peugoet suspension system, it would be much more fun to drive, i have experience with 106, 205, 206, 306, 307, 405, 406, 407, 605 and 607... i have rode all these models and they curve like no other car does.</p> <p>I think it will be a good idea of a peugeot engine. And by the way, Ford is also using peugeot HDi engines on some models and there is the new C1, 107 , Aygo which is toyota, citreon and peugoet, which means they got ideas from toyota!!</p> <p>What you think?</p> <p>Thanks.</p> Well guys, you all seemed worried about the new peugeot engines….well i live in europe in a small island in the mediterrian and there are alot of peugoet cars around of all sorts. I have and old 1989 petrol peugeot 405 my self. Its true, maybe between the 90 to let say 97 peugeot was a mess in engines, but today the story is different…today engines are very effeicent and relaible. In the diesel engines with the HDi peugeot is making a real hit here, very good and in petrol is good too. My friends have peugeots 106, 206 and 307 with 1.6 and 1.4 petrol and they tuned them, and revs them and pushes them to the limit and no damage so far, my 1.6 liter is old but i does the job too, thousands of miles and no problems so far, just normal maintance.

Well it doesnt mean that every engine will be perfect but believe, with a country full of peugeot i can say a word or too. And for the USA people, just to let you know tha peugeot made a very big progress in engines, smooth, effiecient and fun to drive especially with the new turbo engines.

And if the mini had the peugoet suspension system, it would be much more fun to drive, i have experience with 106, 205, 206, 306, 307, 405, 406, 407, 605 and 607… i have rode all these models and they curve like no other car does.

I think it will be a good idea of a peugeot engine. And by the way, Ford is also using peugeot HDi engines on some models and there is the new C1, 107 , Aygo which is toyota, citreon and peugoet, which means they got ideas from toyota!!

What you think?

Thanks.

]]> By: Joe K http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2355 Joe K Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:02:16 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2355 <p>I wonder if BMW would have dropped the Chrysler engine in 2007 (when the contract with Chrysler is up for renewal) had Daimler not merged with Chrysler. I understand that just the thought of planting engines from Daimler into the BMW Mini is something BMW could not live with. The contract for Chrysler to supply the engines only became a problem for BMW when Daimler came along. BMW do not want to be seen using Daimler engines. And don't Daimler use "Kompressors" aka superchargers to boost the power in their own engines? It has nothing to do with any trust or faith in PSA. The current Cooper S can be modified to 200 + bhp cheaply and the crank is strong enough to handle more. I'm looking forwards to getting mine and there is no way I am having any reservations with regards to the current engine. I own a 3 Series 2.5 ltr and I love the low rev torque pull I get out of it. When test driving the Cooper S, I was astonished to find that it had the same kind of power delivery. Not as smooth, but good enough for a 4 cylinder. With the stiff suspension of the Cooper S, I doubt anyone will spend much time thinking about how refined the engine is. Vtecs are rubbish until they hit about 5k rpm. When they finally get around to delivering any decent power, the engine is already screaming. How refined is a screaming engine?</p> I wonder if BMW would have dropped the Chrysler engine in 2007 (when the contract with Chrysler is up for renewal) had Daimler not merged with Chrysler. I understand that just the thought of planting engines from Daimler into the BMW Mini is something BMW could not live with. The contract for Chrysler to supply the engines only became a problem for BMW when Daimler came along. BMW do not want to be seen using Daimler engines. And don’t Daimler use “Kompressors” aka superchargers to boost the power in their own engines? It has nothing to do with any trust or faith in PSA. The current Cooper S can be modified to 200 + bhp cheaply and the crank is strong enough to handle more. I’m looking forwards to getting mine and there is no way I am having any reservations with regards to the current engine. I own a 3 Series 2.5 ltr and I love the low rev torque pull I get out of it. When test driving the Cooper S, I was astonished to find that it had the same kind of power delivery. Not as smooth, but good enough for a 4 cylinder. With the stiff suspension of the Cooper S, I doubt anyone will spend much time thinking about how refined the engine is. Vtecs are rubbish until they hit about 5k rpm. When they finally get around to delivering any decent power, the engine is already screaming. How refined is a screaming engine?

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2354 Gabe Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:36:08 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2354 <p>Unfortunately (as this article is 2 years old) many of the rumors in the above quoted text have turned out to not be 100% correct. For more recent info take a look at our featured articles in the top right of the page.</p> Unfortunately (as this article is 2 years old) many of the rumors in the above quoted text have turned out to not be 100% correct. For more recent info take a look at our featured articles in the top right of the page.

]]> By: Joe http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2353 Joe Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:30:47 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2353 <p>Good point and one that should be remembered by all! So I would have to wait a year to get the PSA/BMW powerplant. I think that I will go ahead and order my 2006! Thanks</p> Good point and one that should be remembered by all! So I would have to wait a year to get the PSA/BMW powerplant. I think that I will go ahead and order my 2006! Thanks

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2352 Gabe Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:21:15 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2352 <p>The new engines (which will be released in the 2007 MINI starting with the fall of '06) are engineered by BMW and will be built in the UK. So calling them French isn't quite correct. PSA is helping BMW with manufacturing and sourcing logistics. </p> <p>Hope that helps.</p> The new engines (which will be released in the 2007 MINI starting with the fall of ‘06) are engineered by BMW and will be built in the UK. So calling them French isn’t quite correct. PSA is helping BMW with manufacturing and sourcing logistics.

Hope that helps.

]]> By: Joe http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2351 Joe Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:16:17 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2351 <p>Boy am I confused! I am preparing to order a 2006 Mini Cooper (not an S). What engine do you think I will get? I to am a big believer in reliability but I actually hope I get the French engine. I'm still mad at the French but I'm not really sure why. I think that the guy who said that many Americans won't buy the car with the French engine was refering to the bad press that the French get, not French engineering!</p> Boy am I confused! I am preparing to order a 2006 Mini Cooper (not an S). What engine do you think I will get? I to am a big believer in reliability but I actually hope I get the French engine. I’m still mad at the French but I’m not really sure why. I think that the guy who said that many Americans won’t buy the car with the French engine was refering to the bad press that the French get, not French engineering!

]]> By: Azwardi http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2350 Azwardi Sat, 21 May 2005 11:40:35 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2350 <p>I like the motor car above and I want to know more about the engie</p> I like the motor car above and I want to know more about the engie

]]> By: david http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2349 david Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:57:05 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2349 <p>just to clear this up, it's gonna be made in Douvrin PSA plant, France</p> just to clear this up, it’s gonna be made in Douvrin PSA plant, France

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2348 Gabe Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:43:37 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2348 <p>Just to clear this up - this is a BMW engineered engine that is being shared with PSA.</p> Just to clear this up – this is a BMW engineered engine that is being shared with PSA.

]]> By: david http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2347 david Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:45:36 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2347 <p>if BMW engineers have chosen a new French engine, they must have reasons, one of them is trust in Peugeot-citroen (aka PSA); in the past PSA provided Honda europe and provides new Mazda 3 diesel Euro model. as for the bad idea of French industry, do you guys know Nissan is the property of Renault nowadays??</p> if BMW engineers have chosen a new French engine, they must have reasons, one of them is trust in Peugeot-citroen (aka PSA); in the past PSA provided Honda europe and provides new Mazda 3 diesel Euro model. as for the bad idea of French industry, do you guys know Nissan is the property of Renault nowadays??

]]> By: James http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2346 James Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:59:27 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2346 <p>The reason for the bonnet bulge is to accomodate the turbocharger + intercooler. The VVt engine is actually smaller than the turbo one</p> The reason for the bonnet bulge is to accomodate the turbocharger + intercooler. The VVt engine is actually smaller than the turbo one

]]> By: Dj ViP3R http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2345 Dj ViP3R Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:34:06 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2345 <p>As far as the reliability of French engines go i cannot comment, I was a little kid the last time they imported cars - or anything really - to the states. I do know that i have been weary of long term reliability of ANYTHING from Chrysler (or DaimerChrysler respectivly) and something tells me that BMW might be getting the same vibe. I wait eagerly for the new French powered MINIs but for the disgusting bonnet.</p> As far as the reliability of French engines go i cannot comment, I was a little kid the last time they imported cars – or anything really – to the states. I do know that i have been weary of long term reliability of ANYTHING from Chrysler (or DaimerChrysler respectivly) and something tells me that BMW might be getting the same vibe. I wait eagerly for the new French powered MINIs but for the disgusting bonnet.

]]> By: Markus http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2344 Markus Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:19:16 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2344 <p>Bob, why in the world wouldn't you buy a MINI with a French engine? The french now make some of the best engines around, period, real engineering marvels. I'd buy one in a flash, but only if it was better than the current MCS engine, which I think is great!!</p> Bob, why in the world wouldn't you buy a MINI with a French engine? The french now make some of the best engines around, period, real engineering marvels. I'd buy one in a flash, but only if it was better than the current MCS engine, which I think is great!!

]]> By: Bob http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2343 Bob Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:56:58 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2343 <p>I wouldn't buy a new Mini with an engine made in France and I'll bet a lot of people in USA and around Europe feel the same.</p> I wouldn't buy a new Mini with an engine made in France and I'll bet a lot of people in USA and around Europe feel the same.

]]> By: Markus http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2342 Markus Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:37:21 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2342 <p>The 1.6L MCS engine won not only WARD's award, but also the prestigious International Engine of the Year Award in 2003 for the category 1.4 to 1.8 L This engine has won many accolades, and calling it one of the new MINI's weakest links does not show the best automotive judgement. I think it is a great engine in both MC and MCS guise. But then the article also calls it Chrysler designed, without refering to the Tritec design as a joint venture. Whaddaya know, or rather,m what do they know?</p> The 1.6L MCS engine won not only WARD's award, but also the prestigious International Engine of the Year Award in 2003 for the category 1.4 to 1.8 L This engine has won many accolades, and calling it one of the new MINI's weakest links does not show the best automotive judgement. I think it is a great engine in both MC and MCS guise. But then the article also calls it Chrysler designed, without refering to the Tritec design as a joint venture. Whaddaya know, or rather,m what do they know?

]]> By: Rocketboy_X http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2341 Rocketboy_X Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:35:34 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2341 <p>At the risk of going off topic, a lot of the 'whining' about the softer shocks were people who were going to be taking delivery on a car that they didn't test drive, due to the change. But I doubt that there's too many people suprised that the DC/BMW engine was going to go by the wayside when the contract was up, so it's not the change that concerns me, it's what it's going to be changing to.</p> At the risk of going off topic, a lot of the 'whining' about the softer shocks were people who were going to be taking delivery on a car that they didn't test drive, due to the change. But I doubt that there's too many people suprised that the DC/BMW engine was going to go by the wayside when the contract was up, so it's not the change that concerns me, it's what it's going to be changing to.

]]> By: Scott http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2340 Scott Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:58:58 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2340 <p>This may not be received well, but y'all sound like a bunch of classic Mini owners. I heard the same 'don't improve the new Mini' whining when BMW announced that theywere going to try new shock valving. And all reports sound like there has been an improvement over what was already good. Quit with this 'no progress' thing, will you?</p> <p>I love my S, but I love advances, too.</p> This may not be received well, but y'all sound like a bunch of classic Mini owners. I heard the same 'don't improve the new Mini' whining when BMW announced that theywere going to try new shock valving. And all reports sound like there has been an improvement over what was already good. Quit with this 'no progress' thing, will you?

I love my S, but I love advances, too.

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2339 Gabe Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:40:39 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2339 <p>That's a very good question. Based on this article I'd say that the MCS may not be supercharged in the future. I assume that BMW sees Valvtronic taking it's place.</p> That's a very good question. Based on this article I'd say that the MCS may not be supercharged in the future. I assume that BMW sees Valvtronic taking it's place.

]]> By: Rocketboy_X http://www.motoringfile.com/2003/09/08/newminienginecaughttesting/comment-page-1/#comment-2338 Rocketboy_X Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:47:28 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2003/09/08/#comment-2338 <p>So does this mean that the MCS is going to be w/o a supercharger in the future? The article said nothing about a supercharged variant, just two different sizes. Also, I have nothing against French cars, but and am quite excited to see a boost in power, but I'm forced to question the increased size/weight that this engine might have. And I've never been a fan of the "modular manufacturing processes to let different engines [cars] share common components" school of design. Let's hope that they don't decide to do that with the MINI like they did with the New Beetle.</p> So does this mean that the MCS is going to be w/o a supercharger in the future? The article said nothing about a supercharged variant, just two different sizes. Also, I have nothing against French cars, but and am quite excited to see a boost in power, but I'm forced to question the increased size/weight that this engine might have. And I've never been a fan of the “modular manufacturing processes to let different engines [cars] share common components” school of design. Let's hope that they don't decide to do that with the MINI like they did with the New Beetle.

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