Comments on: Details on the new 2005 MCS Supercharger http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 0-100 mph and bhp - MINI2 http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-104141 0-100 mph and bhp - MINI2 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:39:29 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-104141 <p>[...] Quote: Originally Posted by madmac (original) mk1 cooper s, 163bhp and no limited slip diff, i do have the works superchager which is supossed to have coated rotors giving better seal though. Apparently the 04 cooper s has the same supercharger with a standard pulley size, i wonder if the change in coating and better seal accounts for the increased bhp on the 04 mcs? The term "04 MCS" has different meanings for users in the UK and US, so please use build date so we're both on the same page Starting with July 2004 builds, MCS models were fitted with Eaton's 5th Generation Supercharger, the same type used in the Works Kit, albeit without the reduction pulley: Quote: The 5th Generation Superchargers incorporate an innovative rotor coating that allows for tighter internal clearances compared to previous applications. These tighter clearances allow for increased supercharger efficiency and performance, resulting in improved horsepower and torque at lower engine RPMs. [MotoringFile] There were also changes made to the exhaust system and ECU map at this time, all of which contributed to the 7 bhp gain over previous models. Most of the horsepower gains of the Works Kit are attributable to the reduction supercharger pulley. [...]</p> [...] Quote: Originally Posted by madmac (original) mk1 cooper s, 163bhp and no limited slip diff, i do have the works superchager which is supossed to have coated rotors giving better seal though. Apparently the 04 cooper s has the same supercharger with a standard pulley size, i wonder if the change in coating and better seal accounts for the increased bhp on the 04 mcs? The term "04 MCS" has different meanings for users in the UK and US, so please use build date so we’re both on the same page Starting with July 2004 builds, MCS models were fitted with Eaton’s 5th Generation Supercharger, the same type used in the Works Kit, albeit without the reduction pulley: Quote: The 5th Generation Superchargers incorporate an innovative rotor coating that allows for tighter internal clearances compared to previous applications. These tighter clearances allow for increased supercharger efficiency and performance, resulting in improved horsepower and torque at lower engine RPMs. [MotoringFile] There were also changes made to the exhaust system and ECU map at this time, all of which contributed to the 7 bhp gain over previous models. Most of the horsepower gains of the Works Kit are attributable to the reduction supercharger pulley. [...]

]]> By: jamie http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6154 jamie Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:52:44 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6154 <p>Check into a phantom grip it is a tested and proven way to have an lsd for under 400 bucks</p> Check into a phantom grip it is a tested and proven way to have an lsd for under 400 bucks

]]> By: Gilbert Cabral http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6153 Gilbert Cabral Wed, 05 May 2004 13:16:29 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6153 <p>I don't understand this, seems that 2003 cooper S have 163 hp, then 2005 cooper S 170hp? Is the price you pay extra 500 dollar increase on sale of a mini?</p> I don't understand this, seems that 2003 cooper S have 163 hp, then 2005 cooper S 170hp? Is the price you pay extra 500 dollar increase on sale of a mini?

]]> By: Shawnster http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6152 Shawnster Mon, 03 May 2004 04:53:38 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6152 <p>Mine has torque steer.</p> Mine has torque steer.

]]> By: Josh http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6151 Josh Sat, 01 May 2004 01:18:53 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6151 <p>Any FWD car will torque steer with enough power at the wheels. Just take a look at the ProMini 265hp test cars, its an issue that they have been deallin with. An LSD would be very important with that kind of power too or you would just make smoke.</p> Any FWD car will torque steer with enough power at the wheels. Just take a look at the ProMini 265hp test cars, its an issue that they have been deallin with. An LSD would be very important with that kind of power too or you would just make smoke.

]]> By: Phil http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6150 Phil Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:27:20 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6150 <p>MINIs DONT torque steer. Equal length drive shafts. Check the mini.usa website and look at the features . . there is a whole section on that feature of the MINI.</p> <p>When I said 300HP Atainable I meant a car that stock would have mid200s So that with some Mods its not hard to get the 300hp out of it.</p> MINIs DONT torque steer. Equal length drive shafts. Check the mini.usa website and look at the features . . there is a whole section on that feature of the MINI.

When I said 300HP Atainable I meant a car that stock would have mid200s So that with some Mods its not hard to get the 300hp out of it.

]]> By: Frank http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6149 Frank Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:52:16 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6149 <p>It seems to me also that the '05 Supercharger is the same "upgrade" unit used in the current MCS JCW Kit.</p> <p>My question is...is the pulley's reduction ratio the same as now or has it been reduced on the '05 Stock MCS?</p> <p>It seems to me that BMW has done a lot of work to achieve those extra 7 ponies....new supercharger, intake, exhaust,ECU mapping etc.</p> <p>So the pulley alone is not everything, eh?</p> It seems to me also that the '05 Supercharger is the same “upgrade” unit used in the current MCS JCW Kit.

My question is…is the pulley's reduction ratio the same as now or has it been reduced on the '05 Stock MCS?

It seems to me that BMW has done a lot of work to achieve those extra 7 ponies….new supercharger, intake, exhaust,ECU mapping etc.

So the pulley alone is not everything, eh?

]]> By: Gabriel Bridger http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6148 Gabriel Bridger Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:01:47 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6148 <p>Consider this - the new M1/M2 (whatever they eventually call it) will have around 300hp from an inline six. There's no way BMW will let the MINI reach that territory and compete with that car. That being said I wouldn't be surprised to see something like a 250hp JCW kit for the next generation R56 in a few years.</p> Consider this – the new M1/M2 (whatever they eventually call it) will have around 300hp from an inline six. There's no way BMW will let the MINI reach that territory and compete with that car. That being said I wouldn't be surprised to see something like a 250hp JCW kit for the next generation R56 in a few years.

]]> By: Josh http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6147 Josh Fri, 30 Apr 2004 04:55:28 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6147 <p>300hp in a front driver? Not gonna work. Take a look at the new Maxima 265hp and u need 3 hands on the wheel to fight the torque steer. 300hp AWD--now that would be a rally racer--but sadly I don't see it ever happening. If it does, even less a chance u will see it in the US.</p> <p>I'm just glad to see them continually improving the car. With the new 170hp MCS, that Mini R50/R56 engine spec sheet makes a lot more sense.</p> 300hp in a front driver? Not gonna work. Take a look at the new Maxima 265hp and u need 3 hands on the wheel to fight the torque steer. 300hp AWD–now that would be a rally racer–but sadly I don't see it ever happening. If it does, even less a chance u will see it in the US.

I'm just glad to see them continually improving the car. With the new 170hp MCS, that Mini R50/R56 engine spec sheet makes a lot more sense.

]]> By: Phil http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6146 Phil Fri, 30 Apr 2004 03:41:53 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6146 <p>I sincerly hope that the JCW package increases and evolves as the MINI does. I prey to see 250hp MINIs by the time the next gen engine comes out. I think when the MINI has reached the point of being a 300hp attainable car it will have serious potential in every arena.</p> <p>Motor On. www.MiniDryvr.TextAmerica.Com</p> I sincerly hope that the JCW package increases and evolves as the MINI does. I prey to see 250hp MINIs by the time the next gen engine comes out. I think when the MINI has reached the point of being a 300hp attainable car it will have serious potential in every arena.

Motor On. http://www.MiniDryvr.TextAmerica.Com

]]> By: Charlie http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6145 Charlie Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:49:10 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6145 <p>This news certainly raises some questions as to the continued viability of a JCW package for the 2005 Cooper S. If all S's will now have this revised supercharger (which I can only presume is the same one that comes with the current JCW Kit)and there are going to be some revisions to the stock exhaust, what will a JCW Kit have to offer the 2005 MCS owner? And at what price?</p> <p>Will the JCW Kit have to be reduced in scope and cost as a result? Or will additional horsepower be extracted via a revised (supercharger-less) package and some new feature --like a header---added?</p> <p>C'Mon MINIUSA we're waiting for the details !</p> This news certainly raises some questions as to the continued viability of a JCW package for the 2005 Cooper S. If all S's will now have this revised supercharger (which I can only presume is the same one that comes with the current JCW Kit)and there are going to be some revisions to the stock exhaust, what will a JCW Kit have to offer the 2005 MCS owner? And at what price?

Will the JCW Kit have to be reduced in scope and cost as a result? Or will additional horsepower be extracted via a revised (supercharger-less) package and some new feature –like a header—added?

C'Mon MINIUSA we're waiting for the details !

]]> By: Gabriel Bridger http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6144 Gabriel Bridger Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:00:26 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6144 <p>I actually have emailed Eaton about this a bit ago and am waiting to hear something back.</p> I actually have emailed Eaton about this a bit ago and am waiting to hear something back.

]]> By: dgszweda1 http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6143 dgszweda1 Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:36:54 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6143 <p>Gabe,</p> <p>This is the info I posted on NAM. The question I have is what does this really mean. This has been on the JCW for quite some time, but the effect was never truly known because it was always with a combination of a lot of other products (i.e. pulley, ECU, exhaust....). Does this increase the boost, does the coating prolong the life of the supercharger, or does it decrease it? These would be great answers.</p> Gabe,

This is the info I posted on NAM. The question I have is what does this really mean. This has been on the JCW for quite some time, but the effect was never truly known because it was always with a combination of a lot of other products (i.e. pulley, ECU, exhaust….). Does this increase the boost, does the coating prolong the life of the supercharger, or does it decrease it? These would be great answers.

]]> By: J http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6142 J Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:20:54 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6142 <p>Sounds vaguely familiar (ala JCW pkg)..</p> Sounds vaguely familiar (ala JCW pkg)..

]]> By: Tom http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/29/details_on_the_new_2005_mcs_supercharger/comment-page-1/#comment-6141 Tom Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:08:30 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/04/29/#comment-6141 <p>This is such great info! I love this website and MINI should be paying you all! I have a '03 MC(built '02) and plan to upgrade for '06-MCS with the looks of everything, the changes and all. As I was wondering about things to come - I go to your website my questions are answered. THANKS! PS - saw the proceeds page and was wondering if you could put an actual address to send money orders for your funding!</p> This is such great info! I love this website and MINI should be paying you all! I have a '03 MC(built '02) and plan to upgrade for '06-MCS with the looks of everything, the changes and all. As I was wondering about things to come – I go to your website my questions are answered. THANKS! PS – saw the proceeds page and was wondering if you could put an actual address to send money orders for your funding!

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