Comments on: MINI to drop Toyota diesel in 2008 http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/ MINI Cooper news, reviews and opinion. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:11:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Morry Korman http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-110206 Morry Korman Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:55:15 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-110206 <p>I bought a new VW Rabbit diesel in 1970 and drove it 115,000 miles. No problems. Got 47 mph average over the 115,000 mile that I drove it. I would buy one again if available here in California. I am waiting for the new diesels that reportedly will be available in California in 2008 and 2009. I hope that Honda and Toyota are among them!</p> I bought a new VW Rabbit diesel in 1970 and drove it 115,000 miles. No problems. Got 47 mph average over the 115,000 mile that I drove it. I would buy one again if available here in California. I am waiting for the new diesels that reportedly will be available in California in 2008 and 2009. I hope that Honda and Toyota are among them!

]]> By: Tom Beck http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-107597 Tom Beck Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:25:21 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-107597 <p>I drove a four door ford fiesta powered by a 1.6L turbodiesel in France recently and averaged 55 mpg in mixed city, highway, mountain driving over a two week period. The 5 speed it had was quite adequate, and the car had plenty of power to stay up with traffic or go up hills. If Mini ever sells a car in the US with that kind of set up I will beat a path to their door with checkbook in hand. I would prefer that over a hybrid.</p> I drove a four door ford fiesta powered by a 1.6L turbodiesel in France recently and averaged 55 mpg in mixed city, highway, mountain driving over a two week period. The 5 speed it had was quite adequate, and the car had plenty of power to stay up with traffic or go up hills. If Mini ever sells a car in the US with that kind of set up I will beat a path to their door with checkbook in hand. I would prefer that over a hybrid.

]]> By: Robert Miller http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-87633 Robert Miller Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:40:17 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-87633 <p>The Ford/Peugot/Citreon alliance is the best technical effort in diesel technology today. They are casting their engines with compacted graphic iron- a dramatically stronger material than grey iron. The casting control and matierals mixture has to be extroadinarily precise- its managed by a Swedish firm and implemented by Tupy foundry in Brazil. Standard machine tools will not machine compacted graphitic iron- you need the same rotary machining tools developed for milling titanium.</p> <p>The engines are being finished (final machining) by Ford in England. So the opportunity for French fuckups are somewhat diminished. The specific power output, per kilogram and per displacement, of these diesel engines is unrivaled. Finally, Honda and Toyota have pursued aluminum/silicon engines- their present designs have maxed out their materials limits; at a level below that which can be acheived from CGI Iron blocks.</p> The Ford/Peugot/Citreon alliance is the best technical effort in diesel technology today. They are casting their engines with compacted graphic iron- a dramatically stronger material than grey iron. The casting control and matierals mixture has to be extroadinarily precise- its managed by a Swedish firm and implemented by Tupy foundry in Brazil. Standard machine tools will not machine compacted graphitic iron- you need the same rotary machining tools developed for milling titanium.

The engines are being finished (final machining) by Ford in England. So the opportunity for French fuckups are somewhat diminished. The specific power output, per kilogram and per displacement, of these diesel engines is unrivaled. Finally, Honda and Toyota have pursued aluminum/silicon engines- their present designs have maxed out their materials limits; at a level below that which can be acheived from CGI Iron blocks.

]]> By: Jan http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-79418 Jan Sat, 06 Jan 2007 00:06:36 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-79418 <p>I thought the states were getting the better diesel, considering there are more diesel cars on the market. (http://www.edmunds.com/advice/fueleconomy/articles/93338/article.html) It's just crazy that we can't get more economical cars over here. Not everyone wants to drive a gas guzzler. It’s crazy to think that a car that gets 26mpg is consider great, when it’s counterpart diesel engine can get up to 50mpg.</p> <p>I also read somewhere that Mini can’t sell their diesel models in the states because of the Yaris... Maybe another reason why they are changing manufactures?</p> <p>Anyway, does anyone know how a gringo can buy a diesel and have it shipped here?</p> I thought the states were getting the better diesel, considering there are more diesel cars on the market. (http://www.edmunds.com/advice/fueleconomy/articles/93338/article.html) It’s just crazy that we can’t get more economical cars over here. Not everyone wants to drive a gas guzzler. It’s crazy to think that a car that gets 26mpg is consider great, when it’s counterpart diesel engine can get up to 50mpg.

I also read somewhere that Mini can’t sell their diesel models in the states because of the Yaris… Maybe another reason why they are changing manufactures?

Anyway, does anyone know how a gringo can buy a diesel and have it shipped here?

]]> By: Zaphod http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-65097 Zaphod Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:09:16 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-65097 <p>To all those that asked about whether this or that diesel car is sold in US.</p> <p>Diesels that we have in eu are not sold in us (whell they are sold, but limited vers-s and there is a major problem with this). One of the main reason is that in US diesel eng. is popular mainly among the business vehicles, and those are much larger diesels, and far less precise than what we know from TDI, HDI, TdCI etc (the whole common rail and pump nozzle technology range).</p> <p>So basically you cannot buy refined enough diesel fuel in us on the gas stations in order to run your diesel family car safely (for the motor).</p> <p>And BTW - yes, diesel is proven the better choice to me compared to the hybrid cars. I drive diesel (a PSA one in a matter of fact), and it runs like hell - compared to same size petrol engine, and consumes some 4 to 5 litres fuel less in the city compared again with the petrol counterpart. On the high way the difference is less obvious though - about 3 ltrs less, all i mean liters on 100km. (sorry I cant convert it easily to mpg, but it makes some 55-60 on highways??)</p> <p>Take care, Zaphod</p> To all those that asked about whether this or that diesel car is sold in US.

Diesels that we have in eu are not sold in us (whell they are sold, but limited vers-s and there is a major problem with this). One of the main reason is that in US diesel eng. is popular mainly among the business vehicles, and those are much larger diesels, and far less precise than what we know from TDI, HDI, TdCI etc (the whole common rail and pump nozzle technology range).

So basically you cannot buy refined enough diesel fuel in us on the gas stations in order to run your diesel family car safely (for the motor).

And BTW – yes, diesel is proven the better choice to me compared to the hybrid cars. I drive diesel (a PSA one in a matter of fact), and it runs like hell – compared to same size petrol engine, and consumes some 4 to 5 litres fuel less in the city compared again with the petrol counterpart. On the high way the difference is less obvious though – about 3 ltrs less, all i mean liters on 100km. (sorry I cant convert it easily to mpg, but it makes some 55-60 on highways??)

Take care, Zaphod

]]> By: Jiffy Pop http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-56647 Jiffy Pop Sun, 22 Oct 2006 03:08:11 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-56647 <p>Not to wreck the site,but.. Hino merged with Toyota in 1982. They produce commercial vehicles. What heavy duty commercial diesel does FORD produce in house?? AND WHO CARES.</p> Not to wreck the site,but.. Hino merged with Toyota in 1982. They produce commercial vehicles. What heavy duty commercial diesel does FORD produce in house?? AND WHO CARES.

]]> By: Howard Fuller http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-53075 Howard Fuller Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:48:57 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-53075 <p>I had a Toyota diesel when I lived in Ireland and wish I could have bvrought it back to the USA with me. I would love to have my Prius eqipped with a diesel. To my thinking, a hybrid diesel would be the best of both worlds. Performance of the hybrid and better economy of the diesel.</p> I had a Toyota diesel when I lived in Ireland and wish I could have bvrought it back to the USA with me. I would love to have my Prius eqipped with a diesel. To my thinking, a hybrid diesel would be the best of both worlds. Performance of the hybrid and better economy of the diesel.

]]> By: Will http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-43841 Will Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:56:56 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-43841 <p>Well obviously BMW knows more about THEIR industry than some novice posting their opnion on the net. BMW would NOT go with Ford if they were crap, think about it. They have a reputation to keep. I have and know many people with the Ford Powerstroke, that Navistar/International helps produce that are way over the 5, 6, and 7 hundred thousand mile range with nothing wrong with them! I do not see toyota diesels in commercial applications like Ford!</p> Well obviously BMW knows more about THEIR industry than some novice posting their opnion on the net. BMW would NOT go with Ford if they were crap, think about it. They have a reputation to keep. I have and know many people with the Ford Powerstroke, that Navistar/International helps produce that are way over the 5, 6, and 7 hundred thousand mile range with nothing wrong with them! I do not see toyota diesels in commercial applications like Ford!

]]> By: Tachyon http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-42720 Tachyon Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:50:59 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-42720 <p>International makes the Powerjoke for Ford, not Cummins. And it's a terrible engine. Poor performance, poor quality. Not the kind of people that BMW ought to sully their reputation with. I don't see why they wouldn't work with VW or Mercedes who actually know how to build great diesels. Heck, even BMW themselves make some pretty good diesels. As for PSA, they are certainly better than International, but why not go right to PSA and not FORD?</p> <p>Tachyon</p> International makes the Powerjoke for Ford, not Cummins. And it’s a terrible engine. Poor performance, poor quality. Not the kind of people that BMW ought to sully their reputation with. I don’t see why they wouldn’t work with VW or Mercedes who actually know how to build great diesels. Heck, even BMW themselves make some pretty good diesels. As for PSA, they are certainly better than International, but why not go right to PSA and not FORD?

Tachyon

]]> By: arnold http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-29757 arnold Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:21:24 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-29757 <p>Way to kill the post, Olie.</p> Way to kill the post, Olie.

]]> By: Olie http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-6515 Olie Mon, 18 Apr 2005 04:52:40 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-6515 <p>I need information regarding the fual pump in my 1983 Toyota pick-up. I am getting air some place after it leaves the filter.------- Olie</p> I need information regarding the fual pump in my 1983 Toyota pick-up. I am getting air some place after it leaves the filter.——- Olie

]]> By: geoffhill http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-6514 geoffhill Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:47:47 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-6514 <p>hi all, if you are in the uk,you would want the peugot/citroen 1.4 td.70 mpg.cruise quietly at 90 mph.i currently have two peugots,one 2 litre hdi,one 1.4 litre hdi.they are fantastic engines.thats why they want it in the mini.geoff</p> hi all, if you are in the uk,you would want the peugot/citroen 1.4 td.70 mpg.cruise quietly at 90 mph.i currently have two peugots,one 2 litre hdi,one 1.4 litre hdi.they are fantastic engines.thats why they want it in the mini.geoff

]]> By: sheraz butt http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-6513 sheraz butt Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:30:18 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-6513 <p>toyota diesel engines are the best engines in the world.ILOVE DISEL ENGINES</p> toyota diesel engines are the best engines in the world.ILOVE DISEL ENGINES

]]> By: Peter G http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-6512 Peter G Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:57:34 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-6512 <p>All your comments on the above about PSA engines and reliability is just crap to say the least. If they are serviced every 10,000 kms as the manufacturer states then you will not have a problem. I have run a Citroen diesel to 600,000kms not a problem just regular servcing, a Peugeot 405 diesel, still have it now 1.2 million kilometres - has had 2 clutches but has NEVER let me down. I bought a brand new mini cooper in 2002, this was the most unreliable car I have ever owned and then to pay $760-00 for the first service - you must be joking. I say go Mini and get your PSA engine. I may think then about buying another Mini but until then forget it.</p> All your comments on the above about PSA engines and reliability is just crap to say the least. If they are serviced every 10,000 kms as the manufacturer states then you will not have a problem. I have run a Citroen diesel to 600,000kms not a problem just regular servcing, a Peugeot 405 diesel, still have it now 1.2 million kilometres – has had 2 clutches but has NEVER let me down. I bought a brand new mini cooper in 2002, this was the most unreliable car I have ever owned and then to pay $760-00 for the first service – you must be joking. I say go Mini and get your PSA engine. I may think then about buying another Mini but until then forget it.

]]> By: Nicolas http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-6511 Nicolas Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:26:09 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-6511 <p>Hi, for all those who think that europeans engines are less reliable than american ones, they are right. But their spécific power often higher coz we are taxed (at least in belgium) depending to the volume and the power of the engine SO BAD. fuel is 1,4 dollar a litre, and the annual tax for a large engine as a 5litres il 5100 dollar a year. and there are still other taxes to pay.</p> <p>So yes, it does'nt last so long as your's, but it's cheaper to use, and more ecologic. have you got volkswagen lupo in us? it burns 3,4 litres diesel/100Km</p> Hi, for all those who think that europeans engines are less reliable than american ones, they are right. But their spécific power often higher coz we are taxed (at least in belgium) depending to the volume and the power of the engine SO BAD. fuel is 1,4 dollar a litre, and the annual tax for a large engine as a 5litres il 5100 dollar a year. and there are still other taxes to pay.

So yes, it does’nt last so long as your’s, but it’s cheaper to use, and more ecologic. have you got volkswagen lupo in us? it burns 3,4 litres diesel/100Km

]]> By: JORGE RODRIGUEZ http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-6510 JORGE RODRIGUEZ Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:38:08 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-6510 <p>I WOULDLIKE TO SEE TOYOTA SELLING CARS- WITH DIESEL MOTOR.BEST MILEAGE AND DURA BILITY...THE BEST...</p> I WOULDLIKE TO SEE TOYOTA SELLING CARS- WITH DIESEL MOTOR.BEST MILEAGE AND DURA BILITY…THE BEST…

]]> By: Josh http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-6509 Josh Wed, 19 May 2004 03:21:54 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-6509 <p>I like the idea of a deisel in the US, just not a hybrid.</p> I like the idea of a deisel in the US, just not a hybrid.

]]> By: Huw http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-6508 Huw Wed, 19 May 2004 00:04:20 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-6508 <p>"37mpg isnt enough?"</p> <p>Not in the UK it isn't! When you can have hot diesel hatches such as the Skoda Fabia VRS over here returning figures not far from 60mpg yet still pushing out 130bhp, a good diesel engine in the MINI would make all the difference. I test drove the MINI oneD before opting for the coop. The salesmen were even slating the engine...</p> “37mpg isnt enough?”

Not in the UK it isn't! When you can have hot diesel hatches such as the Skoda Fabia VRS over here returning figures not far from 60mpg yet still pushing out 130bhp, a good diesel engine in the MINI would make all the difference. I test drove the MINI oneD before opting for the coop. The salesmen were even slating the engine…

]]> By: Gabriel Bridger http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-6507 Gabriel Bridger Tue, 18 May 2004 20:13:33 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-6507 <p>Here's an article with a bunch more info: <a href="http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/04/11/more_next_generation_mini_details">More Next Generation</a>.</p> Here's an article with a bunch more info: More Next Generation.

]]> By: dgszweda1 http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/17/mini_to_drop_toyota_diesel_in_2008/comment-page-1/#comment-6506 dgszweda1 Tue, 18 May 2004 19:45:35 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/05/17/#comment-6506 <p>It appears that the BMW will be responsible for R&D and that PSA will be responsible for manufacturing and procurement. This interesting, and will be interesting to see what BMW designs. Also, these engines will be used in Peugot automobiles as well. So it looks like BMW is designing them for not only the BMW but also the Peugot. Also, I read a notice that these will not be used in the 1-series. So I take back my statement earlier.</p> <p>With the close of their deal with Chrsyler, it looks like the Brazilian plant will be closed down.</p> It appears that the BMW will be responsible for R&D and that PSA will be responsible for manufacturing and procurement. This interesting, and will be interesting to see what BMW designs. Also, these engines will be used in Peugot automobiles as well. So it looks like BMW is designing them for not only the BMW but also the Peugot. Also, I read a notice that these will not be used in the 1-series. So I take back my statement earlier.

With the close of their deal with Chrsyler, it looks like the Brazilian plant will be closed down.

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