Comments on: 2005 JCW US Accessories Update http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kelsey Haley http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11120 Kelsey Haley Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:58:21 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11120 <p>I think that all of the JCW kits are grossly overpriced for the power increase. Go to minimania.com For little less you can get a kit for 245hp and for a little over 7 grande you can get a kit with 265hp. Also check out the SPI twincharger.</p> I think that all of the JCW kits are grossly overpriced for the power increase. Go to minimania.com For little less you can get a kit for 245hp and for a little over 7 grande you can get a kit with 265hp. Also check out the SPI twincharger.

]]> By: Joseph Warfield http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11119 Joseph Warfield Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:28:14 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11119 <p>Hey gang, just wanted to thank you all for your contribution to this board. I have read your posts for some time, before and after the incpetion of my 05 MCS. I recently added the JCW Kit. IMO, completely worth it. I have never been so happy in any car- such a blast. The mama takes off droping it into 2nd gear! Yet my point, giiven that perhaps rash move to add it on, at least from the financial perspective, as I know from the performance perspective, it rocks hands down- your posts aided in my decision. My question today- I am looking to also upgrade to the JCW Sport Suspension and to new JCW Brakes, which I think would look "HOT" behind the JCW 18" Star Spokes. Any updated comment on the JCW SS and Brakes offered for 05? Anyone notice a difference in performance versus cost for install etc... Truly worth the duckets? Would anyone have any recomendations as opposed to the Mini Parts and install or should I refrain from deviating here and stick to the MINI Parts only? Thanks for your time in advance, have a great one! Regards, Joe W. in Miami, FL.</p> Hey gang, just wanted to thank you all for your contribution to this board. I have read your posts for some time, before and after the incpetion of my 05 MCS. I recently added the JCW Kit. IMO, completely worth it. I have never been so happy in any car- such a blast. The mama takes off droping it into 2nd gear! Yet my point, giiven that perhaps rash move to add it on, at least from the financial perspective, as I know from the performance perspective, it rocks hands down- your posts aided in my decision. My question today- I am looking to also upgrade to the JCW Sport Suspension and to new JCW Brakes, which I think would look “HOT” behind the JCW 18″ Star Spokes. Any updated comment on the JCW SS and Brakes offered for 05? Anyone notice a difference in performance versus cost for install etc… Truly worth the duckets? Would anyone have any recomendations as opposed to the Mini Parts and install or should I refrain from deviating here and stick to the MINI Parts only? Thanks for your time in advance, have a great one! Regards, Joe W. in Miami, FL.

]]> By: Paul C. http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11118 Paul C. Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:30:24 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11118 <p>Just when you thought this thread was dead!!!!!!! </p> <p>Hey JCW guy, nice response!!! Lots of thought!!!! How about this?</p> <p>You AFTERMARKET haters make me laugh, you're just pissed you paid too much. LOSERS, Don't be jealous and sop talking poopoo. </p> <p>I couldn't resist because I think this is just a fluke post by a fun loving mini owner having some fun.</p> <p>Anyway, we can do this forever but let me state this, If you go to the drug store and buy name brand verses the drug store brand knowing the results are the same you'll probably have your illness taken care of at the price you choose. Pick what you like, spend what you like, feel the Mini love Modded or Factory!! Bottom line, we love our Mini's and like them free and unique whatever we pay!!!!</p> <p>Another big group hug!!! :)</p> Just when you thought this thread was dead!!!!!!!

Hey JCW guy, nice response!!! Lots of thought!!!! How about this?

You AFTERMARKET haters make me laugh, you're just pissed you paid too much. LOSERS, Don't be jealous and sop talking poopoo.

I couldn't resist because I think this is just a fluke post by a fun loving mini owner having some fun.

Anyway, we can do this forever but let me state this, If you go to the drug store and buy name brand verses the drug store brand knowing the results are the same you'll probably have your illness taken care of at the price you choose. Pick what you like, spend what you like, feel the Mini love Modded or Factory!! Bottom line, we love our Mini's and like them free and unique whatever we pay!!!!

Another big group hug!!! :)

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11117 Gabe Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:01:25 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11117 <p>Hey let's keep this above the belt fellas... </p> <p>BTW if anyone wants a subject JCW MCS review from someone who doesn't own one read ours: <a href="http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/05/the_john_cooper_works_mcs_kit_review">motoringfile.com/2004/05/05/the<em>john</em>cooper<em>works</em>mcs<em>kit</em>review</a></p> Hey let's keep this above the belt fellas…

BTW if anyone wants a subject JCW MCS review from someone who doesn't own one read ours: motoringfile.com/2004/05/05/thejohncooperworksmcskitreview

]]> By: JCW guy http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11116 JCW guy Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:53:41 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11116 <p>You JCW haters make me laugh, you are just pissed you couldn't afford it. LOSERS. Don't be jealous and stop talking shit.</p> You JCW haters make me laugh, you are just pissed you couldn't afford it. LOSERS. Don't be jealous and stop talking shit.

]]> By: Rocketboy http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11115 Rocketboy Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:32:18 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11115 <p>I said, in the long run, if the engine runs smoother, one can extrapolate that the engine is taking less stress. I'm not saying that there's some sort of reported rate of failure for the aftermarket parts, but just help show that yes, the JCW kit costs more, but there's more to consider than just price vs. horsepower. Remember, John Cooper Works has full access to the MINI, where the aftermarket suppliers are working on MINIs that they have access to, and are BMW approved.<br /> To put it another way, if you have a PC, i'm sure you've run into non-ActiveX tested drivers. Does this mean that they work any better or worse than ActiveX tested drivers? Not always, it just depends on how well they are made. And I'm not trying to say that the aftermarket parts are badly made.</p> I said, in the long run, if the engine runs smoother, one can extrapolate that the engine is taking less stress. I'm not saying that there's some sort of reported rate of failure for the aftermarket parts, but just help show that yes, the JCW kit costs more, but there's more to consider than just price vs. horsepower. Remember, John Cooper Works has full access to the MINI, where the aftermarket suppliers are working on MINIs that they have access to, and are BMW approved.
To put it another way, if you have a PC, i'm sure you've run into non-ActiveX tested drivers. Does this mean that they work any better or worse than ActiveX tested drivers? Not always, it just depends on how well they are made. And I'm not trying to say that the aftermarket parts are badly made.

]]> By: meanboy http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11114 meanboy Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:59:30 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11114 <p>Rocketboy, I hope you aren't trying to say that the aftermarket parts won't last a long time because many people have thousands of miles on them without failures. A nam member had put 60k miles on his car with a 15% pulley and other mods and over 100k on his 2002 MCS. Seems to be still going strong.</p> <p>http://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?p=355598#post355598</p> Rocketboy, I hope you aren't trying to say that the aftermarket parts won't last a long time because many people have thousands of miles on them without failures. A nam member had put 60k miles on his car with a 15% pulley and other mods and over 100k on his 2002 MCS. Seems to be still going strong.

http://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?p=355598#post355598

]]> By: Zach Senders http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11113 Zach Senders Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:55:50 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11113 <p>Well the bhp for an 04MCS was 160, 200 with the kit,and now the BHP is 167 with 210 on the kit. It isnt 10 bhp gain on the kit, but 3! How would this translate into a cold air intake being added?</p> Well the bhp for an 04MCS was 160, 200 with the kit,and now the BHP is 167 with 210 on the kit. It isnt 10 bhp gain on the kit, but 3! How would this translate into a cold air intake being added?

]]> By: Paul C. http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11112 Paul C. Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:10:28 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11112 <p>OK,OK, big group hug!!!!</p> <p>:)</p> <p>Sorry, didn't think I would start this kind of debate. I guess I'm just happy I didn't buy the kit and happy I went to Webb's Pulley party, too much enthusiasm for MY Mini. No STRIFE INTENDED. </p> <p>I think it's great they have a kit but like everyone else I'm a bit disappointed they had to go a way over on the price. </p> <p>I didn't think this would be such a sensitive topic; first time I've posted my opinion on the JCW package on any forum. I'll vote silently next time. Sorry to anyone I’ve offended.</p> OK,OK, big group hug!!!!

:)

Sorry, didn't think I would start this kind of debate. I guess I'm just happy I didn't buy the kit and happy I went to Webb's Pulley party, too much enthusiasm for MY Mini. No STRIFE INTENDED.

I think it's great they have a kit but like everyone else I'm a bit disappointed they had to go a way over on the price.

I didn't think this would be such a sensitive topic; first time I've posted my opinion on the JCW package on any forum. I'll vote silently next time. Sorry to anyone I’ve offended.

]]> By: Rocketboy http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11111 Rocketboy Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:15:32 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11111 <p>Better yet, why not ask someone who has had both aftermarket upgrades, and a JCW kit. I haven't, but I know somone who has, and there is a difference. If anything, the JCW kit is MUCH smoother than the aftermarket parts. And if you wanted, I'm sure it wouldn't be a big stretch to say that if the engine works smoother, it's taking less abuse from the new parts.</p> <p>Either way, I think it only causes strife in the MINI community when someone brings up the 'My upgrades are better than yours' arguemnt.</p> Better yet, why not ask someone who has had both aftermarket upgrades, and a JCW kit. I haven't, but I know somone who has, and there is a difference. If anything, the JCW kit is MUCH smoother than the aftermarket parts. And if you wanted, I'm sure it wouldn't be a big stretch to say that if the engine works smoother, it's taking less abuse from the new parts.

Either way, I think it only causes strife in the MINI community when someone brings up the 'My upgrades are better than yours' arguemnt.

]]> By: dgszweda http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11110 dgszweda Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:52:11 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11110 <p>PaulC,</p> <p>I agree, and the JCW isn't for everyone. I truly believe there are excellent reasons going aftermarket. My first car I went aftermarket, and it worked great.</p> <p>I think the resale will reflect the $5500-$6000 for the kit. Not that we will get $6000 return investment, but I think more will be returned percentage wise from a JCW than a similiarly equipped aftermarket kit (percentage wise).</p> <p>Again, this is only one reason to buy the kit. Some people going aftermarket are not so interested in return on investment for a number of reasons and that is fine.</p> <p>What is good is that there are so many options out there for so many different tastes.</p> PaulC,

I agree, and the JCW isn't for everyone. I truly believe there are excellent reasons going aftermarket. My first car I went aftermarket, and it worked great.

I think the resale will reflect the $5500-$6000 for the kit. Not that we will get $6000 return investment, but I think more will be returned percentage wise from a JCW than a similiarly equipped aftermarket kit (percentage wise).

Again, this is only one reason to buy the kit. Some people going aftermarket are not so interested in return on investment for a number of reasons and that is fine.

What is good is that there are so many options out there for so many different tastes.

]]> By: Paul C. http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11109 Paul C. Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:53:05 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11109 <p>I don't disagee with what your saying however your telling me that the resale value of the car is going to reflect the $5500 to $6500 you spent putting on this kit!? The big con your saying is exactly that but the truth most of us know is that the car if properly tuned through an aftermarket will outlast the warrenty of the standard warrrenty period with or without the JCW kit installed. If you don't plan on keeping the car for a long time or if it's being leased then go for it because then it's more justified as the dealer will take most of the hit and not you. </p> <p>I'm not trying to start a flame war because like I said if you have the money go ahead but the long term return on investment isn't what the dealer will make it out to be.</p> I don't disagee with what your saying however your telling me that the resale value of the car is going to reflect the $5500 to $6500 you spent putting on this kit!? The big con your saying is exactly that but the truth most of us know is that the car if properly tuned through an aftermarket will outlast the warrenty of the standard warrrenty period with or without the JCW kit installed. If you don't plan on keeping the car for a long time or if it's being leased then go for it because then it's more justified as the dealer will take most of the hit and not you.

I'm not trying to start a flame war because like I said if you have the money go ahead but the long term return on investment isn't what the dealer will make it out to be.

]]> By: dgszweda http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11108 dgszweda Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:03:37 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11108 <p>PaulC,</p> <p>Not to get into a JCW vs. Aftermarket argument, because I think that aftermarket has some pros as well as cons, and that the JCW is not for everyone because of people's different priorities, but with the addition of the intake and the injectors and the fact that the price is going to stay the same, it is not so bad of a deal anymore.</p> <p>If we break down the cost for common aftermarket accessories for a replacement for the $4500 JCW kit it would come to this:</p> <p>Alta Intake: $260 Pulley (Alta): $120 Injectors (M7): $400 Exhaust (Miltek): $800 Head: $1000 ECU: $600 Colder Plugs: $50 Sticker: $15</p> <p>The total is @$3250</p> <p>The JCW is still $1250, but you add in the full warranty, the pedigree and resale value of the kit, and the fact that JCW will be around for the life of the car, has some further value to it. So I don't think the kit is way out there in price.</p> PaulC,

Not to get into a JCW vs. Aftermarket argument, because I think that aftermarket has some pros as well as cons, and that the JCW is not for everyone because of people's different priorities, but with the addition of the intake and the injectors and the fact that the price is going to stay the same, it is not so bad of a deal anymore.

If we break down the cost for common aftermarket accessories for a replacement for the $4500 JCW kit it would come to this:

Alta Intake: $260 Pulley (Alta): $120 Injectors (M7): $400 Exhaust (Miltek): $800 Head: $1000 ECU: $600 Colder Plugs: $50 Sticker: $15

The total is @$3250

The JCW is still $1250, but you add in the full warranty, the pedigree and resale value of the kit, and the fact that JCW will be around for the life of the car, has some further value to it. So I don't think the kit is way out there in price.

]]> By: dgszweda http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11107 dgszweda Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:44:30 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11107 <p>Michael,</p> <p>You are incorrect. The new JCW kit comes with the intake. You can read about it here http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/09/the<em>cooper</em>s<em>jcw</em>kit<em>official</em>information</p> Michael,

You are incorrect. The new JCW kit comes with the intake. You can read about it here http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/09/thecoopersjcwkitofficialinformation

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11106 Gabe Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:42:51 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11106 <p>As stated in <a href="http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/09/the_cooper_s_jcw_kit_official_information">earlier articles</a> about the 2005 kit... the new kit will contain the cold air intake. This is one of the additions that makes it more powerful. </p> <p>For more information be sure to do a search on JCW in the search bar above.</p> As stated in earlier articles about the 2005 kit… the new kit will contain the cold air intake. This is one of the additions that makes it more powerful.

For more information be sure to do a search on JCW in the search bar above.

]]> By: michael Boice http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11105 michael Boice Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:37:13 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11105 <p>Zach,</p> <p>If you thread thru the above, the 05 JCW kit does not include the JCW intake. JCW kit = 210hp + 5 additional hp with the JCW intake - purchased seperately. I think I have it straight now.</p> Zach,

If you thread thru the above, the 05 JCW kit does not include the JCW intake. JCW kit = 210hp + 5 additional hp with the JCW intake – purchased seperately. I think I have it straight now.

]]> By: Zach Senders http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11104 Zach Senders Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:35:23 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11104 <p>Let me get this straight. The JCW Works kit will already include cold air intake, and the intake available seperately is intended for people who dont but the full kit?</p> Let me get this straight. The JCW Works kit will already include cold air intake, and the intake available seperately is intended for people who dont but the full kit?

]]> By: Paul C. http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11103 Paul C. Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:34:55 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11103 <p>I guess if you have the money burn away! Webb Motorsports did me good at a pulley party and I can use the rest of my cash for gas, clothing, rent, dinner, lunch, breakfast, movie, plane tickets,message,a used clunker,deposit for another mini,etc,etc,etc........ you get the message. Let's see what JCWorks does on a track and compare it to the after market. Hhmmmm????</p> I guess if you have the money burn away! Webb Motorsports did me good at a pulley party and I can use the rest of my cash for gas, clothing, rent, dinner, lunch, breakfast, movie, plane tickets,message,a used clunker,deposit for another mini,etc,etc,etc…….. you get the message. Let's see what JCWorks does on a track and compare it to the after market. Hhmmmm????

]]> By: Greg http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11102 Greg Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:07:34 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11102 <p>Out of curiosity, does anyone know if a dealer will give you a price break on labor if you order a new 2005 MCS with JCW Works and Supsension Kits? Do the installations overlap in labor at all?</p> Out of curiosity, does anyone know if a dealer will give you a price break on labor if you order a new 2005 MCS with JCW Works and Supsension Kits? Do the installations overlap in labor at all?

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/20/2005_jcw_us_accessories_update/comment-page-1/#comment-11101 Gabe Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:09:45 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/09/20/#comment-11101 <p>The intake shown and listed is for the MCS. No word on something similar for the MC...</p> <p>dgszweda - here's the rumor:</p> <p>It will be the same price with the same 10 hours of install time.</p> The intake shown and listed is for the MCS. No word on something similar for the MC…

dgszweda – here's the rumor:

It will be the same price with the same 10 hours of install time.

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