Comments on: More Info on the All-Wheel Drive MINI http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/ MINI Cooper news, reviews and opinion. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:04:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: John http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-50848 John Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:38:21 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-50848 <p>i dont think we'll see them in a while they already have the 2007 w/o AWD if we're lucky they'll come out 2008-2010 i think that they should try and lower the price 30k is way past a reasonable amount for a mini bmw would be insane to ask for that much</p> i dont think we’ll see them in a while they already have the 2007 w/o AWD if we’re lucky they’ll come out 2008-2010 i think that they should try and lower the price 30k is way past a reasonable amount for a mini bmw would be insane to ask for that much

]]> By: jurni http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-49732 jurni Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:51:57 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-49732 <p>So when are we going to see AWD in a MINI?</p> So when are we going to see AWD in a MINI?

]]> By: dave http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13107 dave Sun, 22 May 2005 08:54:46 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13107 <p>I'm a proud owner of a mini cooper S 2005, I LOVE IT, all wheel drive... I think I would kill myself. Turns at 40mph are bad enough w/ 2wdr, damn I'm drunk and I love my cooper</p> I’m a proud owner of a mini cooper S 2005, I LOVE IT, all wheel drive… I think I would kill myself. Turns at 40mph are bad enough w/ 2wdr, damn I’m drunk and I love my cooper

]]> By: Samster http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13106 Samster Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:25:52 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13106 <p>The point of an AWD Mini from Getrag's point of view is not to make AWD Minis. But to show that ANY car even as small as a Mini can become and benefit from AWD.</p> The point of an AWD Mini from Getrag’s point of view is not to make AWD Minis. But to show that ANY car even as small as a Mini can become and benefit from AWD.

]]> By: carcounselor http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13105 carcounselor Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:05:31 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13105 <p>TO: anyone who questions the need for AWD as the S's hp number edges ever upward </p> <p>SUBJ: CAR Dec. '04</p> <p>"the 210hp Works will lay down black lines on the road for as long as you keep your foot planted... give the throttle a shove from low speeds and the front tyres can be persuaded to light up."</p> <p>Not very effective, but a great way to rid yourself of those ruinous run flats. </p> <p>(Was this the real reason BMW used such long gearing to start with? They've always maintained the chassis should have more 'power' than the engine).</p> TO: anyone who questions the need for AWD as the S's hp number edges ever upward

SUBJ: CAR Dec. '04

“the 210hp Works will lay down black lines on the road for as long as you keep your foot planted… give the throttle a shove from low speeds and the front tyres can be persuaded to light up.”

Not very effective, but a great way to rid yourself of those ruinous run flats.

(Was this the real reason BMW used such long gearing to start with? They've always maintained the chassis should have more 'power' than the engine).

]]> By: Bill http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13104 Bill Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:04:48 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13104 <p>I would prefer the Mini Mania Stage 3 upgrade with the all wheel drive conversion over the JCW upgrade. 245 horsepower just sounds so pretty.</p> I would prefer the Mini Mania Stage 3 upgrade with the all wheel drive conversion over the JCW upgrade. 245 horsepower just sounds so pretty.

]]> By: meanboy http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13103 meanboy Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:39:26 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13103 <p>Our S came out to 24179 + tax with </p> <p>3 packages hk auto dim no leather no nav</p> <p>so with the jcw it would been roughly a tad over 30k plus tax.</p> Our S came out to 24179 + tax with

3 packages hk auto dim no leather no nav

so with the jcw it would been roughly a tad over 30k plus tax.

]]> By: scooblymonchee http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13102 scooblymonchee Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:38:52 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13102 <p>"Methinks many among you hath imbibed far too of ye olde Koolaid... Lo, even your King speaketh none but praise for the dimunitive car that costeth its own weight in gold."</p> <p>Or, alternatively...</p> <p>"Yall's trippin'."</p> “Methinks many among you hath imbibed far too of ye olde Koolaid… Lo, even your King speaketh none but praise for the dimunitive car that costeth its own weight in gold.”

Or, alternatively…

“Yall's trippin'.”

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13101 Gabe Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:51:08 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13101 <p>Good way to put it Jerry.</p> Good way to put it Jerry.

]]> By: Siddhartha http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13100 Siddhartha Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:07:29 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13100 <p>Sad Arthur's out the door price was $29,063 FOB Chicago. In addition, I paid sales tax in California when I got him home. 2004 MCS JCW, no aero kit, no leather, no driving lites, no sunroof, no heated seats.</p> <p>The configurator just put a new one together for me with more bells and whistles + LSD for $33K. I don't mind. MINI gives me what I want. Seems only fair to pay for it.</p> Sad Arthur's out the door price was $29,063 FOB Chicago. In addition, I paid sales tax in California when I got him home. 2004 MCS JCW, no aero kit, no leather, no driving lites, no sunroof, no heated seats.

The configurator just put a new one together for me with more bells and whistles + LSD for $33K. I don't mind. MINI gives me what I want. Seems only fair to pay for it.

]]> By: Josh Wardell http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13099 Josh Wardell Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:23:37 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13099 <p>Wow, AWD is the one thing the MINI could not give me that I wanted, and they didn't just do a hack-job of it, they are using an excellent differential, not just some 60/40 one.</p> <p>My MINI was already over 30, and I was very happy to pay that price, and I would surely pay more for this.</p> <p>And (although very difficult) you can't say it's not retrofittable, because that's exactly what they are doing. :) Great idea using the exhaust path</p> <p>Maybe they would like a beta tester? :)</p> Wow, AWD is the one thing the MINI could not give me that I wanted, and they didn't just do a hack-job of it, they are using an excellent differential, not just some 60/40 one.

My MINI was already over 30, and I was very happy to pay that price, and I would surely pay more for this.

And (although very difficult) you can't say it's not retrofittable, because that's exactly what they are doing. :) Great idea using the exhaust path

Maybe they would like a beta tester? :)

]]> By: ChrisW http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13098 ChrisW Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:29:36 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13098 <p>$45k for a MINI???? OK, we're now officially in M3 territory. That's insanity.</p> <p>A friend of mine bought a GMC Yukon (?) and commenced to completely revamp it. New brake system, engine components, wheels, interior upgrades, etc. etc. He's dumped a boatload of cash into the thing, for which I tell him "Dude, when all is said and done, it's still just a GMC Yukon!"</p> <p>Craziness.</p> $45k for a MINI???? OK, we're now officially in M3 territory. That's insanity.

A friend of mine bought a GMC Yukon (?) and commenced to completely revamp it. New brake system, engine components, wheels, interior upgrades, etc. etc. He's dumped a boatload of cash into the thing, for which I tell him “Dude, when all is said and done, it's still just a GMC Yukon!”

Craziness.

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13097 Gabe Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:38:45 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13097 <p>No rise here :) Just thought I'd mention something before someone else did.</p> No rise here :) Just thought I'd mention something before someone else did.

]]> By: Frank http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13096 Frank Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:33:51 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13096 <p>Ok fellas, I'll take that back. "Best" I guess is in the eye of the beholder, but personally I think than in these cars often times, less is better but take it as a personal opinion.</p> <p>I was trying to make a point in which it is feasible to purchase a new MCS with JCW for well under $30K if you keep the options at a bare minimum.</p> <p>Sorry if I got a rise from some of you.</p> Ok fellas, I'll take that back. “Best” I guess is in the eye of the beholder, but personally I think than in these cars often times, less is better but take it as a personal opinion.

I was trying to make a point in which it is feasible to purchase a new MCS with JCW for well under $30K if you keep the options at a bare minimum.

Sorry if I got a rise from some of you.

]]> By: scooblymonchee http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13095 scooblymonchee Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:57:18 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13095 <p>Frank, although you were very, very naughty and had no right to proclaim that "the best MCS anyone can possibly buy is a bare bones one with the JCW kit installed"... this is what I went for and have had no regrets. I even like my open diff and don't wish for an lsd, let alone awd. It's a blast feathering the throttle out of corners to ride the edge of traction, chirping the inside tire here and there.</p> <p>"Simplify, and add lightness." Works for me.</p> Frank, although you were very, very naughty and had no right to proclaim that “the best MCS anyone can possibly buy is a bare bones one with the JCW kit installed”… this is what I went for and have had no regrets. I even like my open diff and don't wish for an lsd, let alone awd. It's a blast feathering the throttle out of corners to ride the edge of traction, chirping the inside tire here and there.

“Simplify, and add lightness.” Works for me.

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13094 Gabe Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:11:13 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13094 <p>Frank - I respect your opinion more than most on here but I have to disagree with your last comment. While a bare-bones MCS with JCW might appeal to you and me, we have no right to proclaim it the best for the simple fact that we all have different definitions of best. Best in terms of laps for an OEM car though... absolutely.</p> Frank – I respect your opinion more than most on here but I have to disagree with your last comment. While a bare-bones MCS with JCW might appeal to you and me, we have no right to proclaim it the best for the simple fact that we all have different definitions of best. Best in terms of laps for an OEM car though… absolutely.

]]> By: GSKChicago http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13093 GSKChicago Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:45:43 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13093 <p>ChrisW... My MCS with sales tax and all came in pretty high as well... Not anywhere near the base price, but I loaded her up.</p> <p>I thought I was insane until my dealer told me the most expensive MINI they sold was $45k. I didn't even want to know what the buyer put on her to get to that price.</p> ChrisW… My MCS with sales tax and all came in pretty high as well… Not anywhere near the base price, but I loaded her up.

I thought I was insane until my dealer told me the most expensive MINI they sold was $45k. I didn't even want to know what the buyer put on her to get to that price.

]]> By: Frank http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13092 Frank Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:45:24 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13092 <p>A $36K MINI is a FULLY DECKED out car with every factory option available in the menu.</p> <p>It is possible to push the $40K barrier with a fully loaded Cooper S cabrio with JCW and all.</p> <p>Believe it or not it is possible to purchase a MCS hardtop with the JCW kit for around $25K/$26K. We are talking about a "base" (If such a thing exists in a MINI as they already come very well equipped in bare bones form)MCS with maybe one or 2 options (MFSW and fog lights), no packages, no leather, no big ass wheels, no sunroofs, no NAV and just the JCW Kit.</p> <p>Do the math. The best MCS anyone can possible buy is a "bare bones" one with the JCW kit installed.</p> <p>Why people have to deck out these cars with so much uneeded junk is beyond me....</p> A $36K MINI is a FULLY DECKED out car with every factory option available in the menu.

It is possible to push the $40K barrier with a fully loaded Cooper S cabrio with JCW and all.

Believe it or not it is possible to purchase a MCS hardtop with the JCW kit for around $25K/$26K. We are talking about a “base” (If such a thing exists in a MINI as they already come very well equipped in bare bones form)MCS with maybe one or 2 options (MFSW and fog lights), no packages, no leather, no big ass wheels, no sunroofs, no NAV and just the JCW Kit.

Do the math. The best MCS anyone can possible buy is a “bare bones” one with the JCW kit installed.

Why people have to deck out these cars with so much uneeded junk is beyond me….

]]> By: ChrisW http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13091 ChrisW Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:23:13 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13091 <p>Whoa, gz, $36k for your MINI? Is that even possible???</p> <p>Know when to say when! :)</p> Whoa, gz, $36k for your MINI? Is that even possible???

Know when to say when! :)

]]> By: flyboy2160 http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/11/09/more_info_on_the_all-wheel_drive_mini/comment-page-1/#comment-13090 flyboy2160 Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:00:06 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/11/09/#comment-13090 <p>ha ha! i'll get one and rip out the front wheel drive part.</p> ha ha! i'll get one and rip out the front wheel drive part.

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