Comments on: BMW & Peugeot Announce New Engine Range http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/ MINI Cooper news, reviews and opinion. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:20:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: non believer http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14468 non believer Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:17:32 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14468 <p>Austin Mini = British BMW Mini = GERMAN, not really a mini is it.</p> Austin Mini = British BMW Mini = GERMAN, not really a mini is it.

]]> By: Dan Smith http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14467 Dan Smith Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:23:14 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14467 <p>Appears BMW has decided to use a peugeot 106 gti lump and the same lump with a turbo. I can see Mini being critised for dropping the excellent supercharged engine.</p> Appears BMW has decided to use a peugeot 106 gti lump and the same lump with a turbo. I can see Mini being critised for dropping the excellent supercharged engine.

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14466 Gabe Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:12:59 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14466 <p>Stuart - all good to hear. I'll probably be one of the first in line for the new car in '07. But until then I might be ordering something to tide me over as well :)</p> Stuart – all good to hear. I'll probably be one of the first in line for the new car in '07. But until then I might be ordering something to tide me over as well :)

]]> By: Stuart http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14465 Stuart Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:05:06 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14465 <p>BMW/Peugeot joint design, built in UK, lighter, faster to spin up, tough as old boots, lots of headroom for 'tuning' ;) , Can't stop the Grin factor :D I've just ordered an MCS for next year just to tide me over till the 'new' ones arrive. 1st year production will be fine by me.</p> BMW/Peugeot joint design, built in UK, lighter, faster to spin up, tough as old boots, lots of headroom for 'tuning' ;) , Can't stop the Grin factor :D I've just ordered an MCS for next year just to tide me over till the 'new' ones arrive. 1st year production will be fine by me.

]]> By: Gilbert http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14464 Gilbert Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:55:06 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14464 <p>turbo????? BMW gonna' kidding and only 143 bhp????</p> <p>I don't know..</p> turbo????? BMW gonna' kidding and only 143 bhp????

I don't know..

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14463 Gabe Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:11:57 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14463 <p>Ah they did change it. I've updated it with the new text.</p> <p>Thanks!</p> Ah they did change it. I've updated it with the new text.

Thanks!

]]> By: Pritch http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14462 Pritch Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:50:42 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14462 <p>Gabe, it's surely a typo somewhere, because following your link (from your "engine details report") to the PSA web site (and then to the main page), I find exactly the same basic sentence, but just slightly different:</p> <p>"A 1.6-liter atmospheric engine with a variable valve timing distribution and a power output of 85 kW (115 hp)."</p> <p>Maybe to save any confusion, you could modify your report accordingly (assuming that they have now also corrected their information) ;-)</p> Gabe, it's surely a typo somewhere, because following your link (from your “engine details report”) to the PSA web site (and then to the main page), I find exactly the same basic sentence, but just slightly different:

“A 1.6-liter atmospheric engine with a variable valve timing distribution and a power output of 85 kW (115 hp).”

Maybe to save any confusion, you could modify your report accordingly (assuming that they have now also corrected their information) ;-)

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14461 Gabe Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:10:38 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14461 <p>Pritch - not sure what to tell you .... that info was copied straight from the release I got from BMW. That being said from what I had heard previously the 115hp engine should be normally aspirated.</p> <p>Other sites that are covering this news have that sentence in there as well. Perhaps it's a typo in the original release. </p> <p>I'd refer to the story above this one on the main page for more technical detail.</p> Pritch – not sure what to tell you …. that info was copied straight from the release I got from BMW. That being said from what I had heard previously the 115hp engine should be normally aspirated.

Other sites that are covering this news have that sentence in there as well. Perhaps it's a typo in the original release.

I'd refer to the story above this one on the main page for more technical detail.

]]> By: Pritch http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14460 Pritch Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:07:18 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14460 <p>"A 1.6-liter atmospheric engine with a variable geometry turbocharger and a power output of 85 kW (115 hp)."</p> <p>This comment in the text above is not true and not in the original press release - which refers to variable valve timing instead (an atmospheric engine has of course no turbo)!!</p> “A 1.6-liter atmospheric engine with a variable geometry turbocharger and a power output of 85 kW (115 hp).”

This comment in the text above is not true and not in the original press release – which refers to variable valve timing instead (an atmospheric engine has of course no turbo)!!

]]> By: Oliver Bonaccorso http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14459 Oliver Bonaccorso Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:50:15 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14459 <p>What is so good about a 1.6L engine that only produces 85kW or 105kW? is this so spectacular? japanese 4cyl cars have been producing 130kW from a naturally aspirated, variable valve timing 1.6L engine for the past 10 years! and emissions arent too bad either! now a real advance would be to slash emissions and still retain high power outputs. that would be an advance.</p> What is so good about a 1.6L engine that only produces 85kW or 105kW? is this so spectacular? japanese 4cyl cars have been producing 130kW from a naturally aspirated, variable valve timing 1.6L engine for the past 10 years! and emissions arent too bad either! now a real advance would be to slash emissions and still retain high power outputs. that would be an advance.

]]> By: michael Boice http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14458 michael Boice Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:13:11 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14458 <p>idiaz,</p> <p>Ooooh, sounds great! But, I would expect output to be somewhere north of 200hp, perhaps 220hp. time will tell as Gabe pointed out.</p> idiaz,

Ooooh, sounds great! But, I would expect output to be somewhere north of 200hp, perhaps 220hp. time will tell as Gabe pointed out.

]]> By: Rodney http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14457 Rodney Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:03:49 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14457 <p>It's funny the number of Saab owners on this board. I think the die hard supercharger fans out there will just have to wait and see. The low end torque of the low pressure turbo is truly a delight. V8 torque from a small four. I envision a day when the V8 will be put away in favor of small displacement turbo charged engines. Europe is a good example of this. Right now it's still cheaper to build a low tech V8. High tech 4 cylinders are expensive. But that cost will deminish over time. An example is the Crown Vic, it comes with a big V8 that puts out 239HP@4,750 RPM and 287lb/ft@4,100 RPM. The 2.3l Saab Aero puts out 250HP@5300 RPM and 258lb/ft@1900 RPM. That's roughly the same numbers in an engine that is exactly half the size. But note the Saab gets full torque at only 1900RPM. One quick CPU swap and those numbers jump to over 300+ easy. Can you imagine a 4 banger in a Crown Vic... It would never sell no matter how much more HP it produced! Americans are too accustomed to the big thirsty V8.</p> It's funny the number of Saab owners on this board. I think the die hard supercharger fans out there will just have to wait and see. The low end torque of the low pressure turbo is truly a delight. V8 torque from a small four. I envision a day when the V8 will be put away in favor of small displacement turbo charged engines. Europe is a good example of this. Right now it's still cheaper to build a low tech V8. High tech 4 cylinders are expensive. But that cost will deminish over time. An example is the Crown Vic, it comes with a big V8 that puts out 239HP@4,750 RPM and 287lb/ft@4,100 RPM. The 2.3l Saab Aero puts out 250HP@5300 RPM and 258lb/ft@1900 RPM. That's roughly the same numbers in an engine that is exactly half the size. But note the Saab gets full torque at only 1900RPM. One quick CPU swap and those numbers jump to over 300+ easy. Can you imagine a 4 banger in a Crown Vic… It would never sell no matter how much more HP it produced! Americans are too accustomed to the big thirsty V8.

]]> By: Scott http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14456 Scott Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:59:17 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14456 <p>I'm also a fan of turbos (and a former Saab owner). If you plan to modify your car to make as much power as possible, a turbo is the only way to go. Becuase of the diminising returns associated with a supercharger, a turbo engine will always be capable of making more power than the same engine with a supercharger. I was talking to a guy last weekend who has an Audi TT with a chip and other mods and he's somewhere in the 275 hp range with a 1.8 liter engine.</p> I'm also a fan of turbos (and a former Saab owner). If you plan to modify your car to make as much power as possible, a turbo is the only way to go. Becuase of the diminising returns associated with a supercharger, a turbo engine will always be capable of making more power than the same engine with a supercharger. I was talking to a guy last weekend who has an Audi TT with a chip and other mods and he's somewhere in the 275 hp range with a 1.8 liter engine.

]]> By: Nicholas P http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14455 Nicholas P Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:43:19 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14455 <p>uh oh!</p> <p>Patrick will have to trade in his MINI then, if it's made by the <em>gasp</em> FRENCH</p> <p>i don't base my purchases on whether or not my government agrees with the policies of another nation...after all, half of America doesn't agree with our current policies...and most of america didn't even vote for our current president the first time...</p> uh oh!

Patrick will have to trade in his MINI then, if it's made by the gasp FRENCH

i don't base my purchases on whether or not my government agrees with the policies of another nation…after all, half of America doesn't agree with our current policies…and most of america didn't even vote for our current president the first time…

]]> By: Michael http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14454 Michael Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:14:39 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14454 <p>Sorry Gabe ;)</p> Sorry Gabe ;)

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14453 Gabe Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:58:23 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14453 <p>I don't understand why the negativity towards an engine that was co-developed by a worldwide company that happens to be based in France. 100s of components in the current MINI are made in France (and all over Europe for that matter). </p> <p>The key you hold in your hand when starting your MINI is made by the French company Valeo for example.</p> I don't understand why the negativity towards an engine that was co-developed by a worldwide company that happens to be based in France. 100s of components in the current MINI are made in France (and all over Europe for that matter).

The key you hold in your hand when starting your MINI is made by the French company Valeo for example.

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14452 Gabe Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:47:23 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14452 <p>Michael - you beat me to it... I was going to be posting the full release Tuesday :)</p> Michael – you beat me to it… I was going to be posting the full release Tuesday :)

]]> By: R50 http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14451 R50 Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:22:09 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14451 <p>The pdf file at the above Peugeot url lists oil change interval at 20,000 miles! What will our grandfathers say?</p> The pdf file at the above Peugeot url lists oil change interval at 20,000 miles! What will our grandfathers say?

]]> By: R50 http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14450 R50 Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:54:50 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14450 <p>Are there 2 different engines pictured here? The engine in the last photo doesn't have a turbo charger. Thanks for this "article." I love reading about the technical side of the equation.</p> Are there 2 different engines pictured here? The engine in the last photo doesn't have a turbo charger. Thanks for this “article.” I love reading about the technical side of the equation.

]]> By: Louis http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/13/bmw_38_peugeot_announce_new_engine_range/comment-page-2/#comment-14449 Louis Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:42:50 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/13/#comment-14449 <p>Is Patrick seriously saying he won't buy the new MINI under any circumstances because he disagrees with the current policies of the government in which the co-developer of the new engine is based?</p> <p>You should make decisions like those on more important criteria, like initial body color choices.</p> Is Patrick seriously saying he won't buy the new MINI under any circumstances because he disagrees with the current policies of the government in which the co-developer of the new engine is based?

You should make decisions like those on more important criteria, like initial body color choices.

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