Comments on: MINI at the 2005 Detroit Autoshow http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jd http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14968 jd Thu, 06 Jan 2005 01:34:02 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14968 <p>I work for BMW group, and have had the chance to drive an auto MSC, All I can say is that it won't dissapoint!</p> I work for BMW group, and have had the chance to drive an auto MSC, All I can say is that it won't dissapoint!

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14967 Gabe Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:53:21 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14967 <p>What can Google <em>not</em> do?</p> What can Google not do?

]]> By: Ian http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14966 Ian Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:49:32 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14966 <p>I know <a href="http://www.thetipsbank.com/convert.htm">how to Google for the answer</a> ;) 30.7 -> 25.6 31.4 -> 26.1</p> I know how to Google for the answer ;) 30.7 -> 25.6 31.4 -> 26.1

]]> By: MrV http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14965 MrV Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:30:06 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14965 <p>Found the fuel consumption ratings for the auto S in a press release for the detriot show:</p> <p>"Fuel consumption of the MINI Cooper S and MINI Cooper S Convertible with automatic transmission in the composite EU cycle is just 9.2 and, respec¬t¬ive¬ly, 9.0 litres/100 km (30.7/31.4 mpg Imp)."</p> <p>Now, who knows how to convert these to american gallon equivelents.?</p> Found the fuel consumption ratings for the auto S in a press release for the detriot show:

“Fuel consumption of the MINI Cooper S and MINI Cooper S Convertible with automatic transmission in the composite EU cycle is just 9.2 and, respec¬t¬ive¬ly, 9.0 litres/100 km (30.7/31.4 mpg Imp).”

Now, who knows how to convert these to american gallon equivelents.?

]]> By: David http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14964 David Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:19:41 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14964 <p>Well, I'm sorry so many disagree with me and, no, MINI has not lost me as a customer. I love the manual MCS and have no real problem with an auto MCS, as its existence was inevitable, but I think the watering down of the ultimate performance aspect of the brand is simply BMW selling out for higher profits. I hope the decision to start testing auto JCW kits was met with resistance by some of those in charge.</p> <p>And yes, I do intend to own a Vette as well, with any luck, a ZO6.</p> Well, I'm sorry so many disagree with me and, no, MINI has not lost me as a customer. I love the manual MCS and have no real problem with an auto MCS, as its existence was inevitable, but I think the watering down of the ultimate performance aspect of the brand is simply BMW selling out for higher profits. I hope the decision to start testing auto JCW kits was met with resistance by some of those in charge.

And yes, I do intend to own a Vette as well, with any luck, a ZO6.

]]> By: Ian http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14963 Ian Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:53:55 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14963 <p>Patience ... my sources tell me that a JCW-equipped MCSa is currently undergoing tests.</p> Patience … my sources tell me that a JCW-equipped MCSa is currently undergoing tests.

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14962 Gabe Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:31:42 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14962 <p>From my understanding dealers won't install the current JCW kit in a MCSa because BMW won't warranty it. Essentially it would be one huge liability for any dealership that tries it since it's not officially supported by corporate. However, the Aisin transmission in the MCS can handle more power as it's essentially the same unit in the Audi TT.</p> <p>If there is a JCW kit for the MCSa the changes to the kit will most likely be some subtle enhancements to make it work better with the attributes of the auto.</p> From my understanding dealers won't install the current JCW kit in a MCSa because BMW won't warranty it. Essentially it would be one huge liability for any dealership that tries it since it's not officially supported by corporate. However, the Aisin transmission in the MCS can handle more power as it's essentially the same unit in the Audi TT.

If there is a JCW kit for the MCSa the changes to the kit will most likely be some subtle enhancements to make it work better with the attributes of the auto.

]]> By: Ryephile http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14961 Ryephile Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:28:55 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14961 <p>I'd bet the non-JCW MCSa is due to the transmission not being able to handle the power, and definitely not MINI trying to cut sales, regardless of what ideals they feel. I'm sure the suave customer might be able to convince their dealership to install the JCW kit in their MCSa regardless, perhaps at the expense of transmission warranty. Can you say, aftermarket for the MCSa?</p> I'd bet the non-JCW MCSa is due to the transmission not being able to handle the power, and definitely not MINI trying to cut sales, regardless of what ideals they feel. I'm sure the suave customer might be able to convince their dealership to install the JCW kit in their MCSa regardless, perhaps at the expense of transmission warranty. Can you say, aftermarket for the MCSa?

]]> By: MrV http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14960 MrV Sun, 02 Jan 2005 08:31:37 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14960 <p>David,</p> <p>Does that mean Mini has lost you as a customer? Are you going to sell your Mini now and go buy a Z06 now since the company is more in line with your philosophy ?</p> <p>That would be a shame.</p> <p>I sure do respect your right to have an opinion, but I don't respect your opinion. How does someone owning a MCSA /JCW make your car a lesser car?</p> <p>Freedom of choice, it's the Amercian way, live and let live, yadda yadda yadda. Be happy with your car, let others be happy with theirs.</p> David,

Does that mean Mini has lost you as a customer? Are you going to sell your Mini now and go buy a Z06 now since the company is more in line with your philosophy ?

That would be a shame.

I sure do respect your right to have an opinion, but I don't respect your opinion. How does someone owning a MCSA /JCW make your car a lesser car?

Freedom of choice, it's the Amercian way, live and let live, yadda yadda yadda. Be happy with your car, let others be happy with theirs.

]]> By: David http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14959 David Sun, 02 Jan 2005 06:59:54 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14959 <p>Look, there's a reason the ZO6 does not (and never did) come with an auto tranny. It was reserved specifically for the driving enthusiast who WANTED to row through the gears him/herself. As was the 55 extra horses. MINI needs to treat the JCW kit the same way. I see nothing wrong with MINI saying, "If you want this extra power package, you need to get the manual." It's a choice you make between performance and convenience. Otherwise, the JCW MCS becomes another Mustang GT (not the new one...yet), a lingering joke of what it was supposed to be.</p> Look, there's a reason the ZO6 does not (and never did) come with an auto tranny. It was reserved specifically for the driving enthusiast who WANTED to row through the gears him/herself. As was the 55 extra horses. MINI needs to treat the JCW kit the same way. I see nothing wrong with MINI saying, “If you want this extra power package, you need to get the manual.” It's a choice you make between performance and convenience. Otherwise, the JCW MCS becomes another Mustang GT (not the new one…yet), a lingering joke of what it was supposed to be.

]]> By: Ryephile http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14958 Ryephile Sat, 01 Jan 2005 19:34:57 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14958 <p>I'll be going to the NAIAS Press Days and will be putting together a small story for MotoringFile. I'll try to cover all the new items MINI has released.</p> <p>Cheers, Ryan</p> I'll be going to the NAIAS Press Days and will be putting together a small story for MotoringFile. I'll try to cover all the new items MINI has released.

Cheers, Ryan

]]> By: Wraith http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14957 Wraith Fri, 31 Dec 2004 06:30:38 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14957 <p>cannot wait for this event. will make a note to take good pics of MCS Auto w/ paddles</p> cannot wait for this event. will make a note to take good pics of MCS Auto w/ paddles

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14956 Gabe Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:09:09 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14956 <p>Ryan - I'll be there with you spirit!</p> Ryan – I'll be there with you spirit!

]]> By: Ryan http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14955 Ryan Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:07:42 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14955 <p>We'll have a few Motoring File readers attending this event. I'll be sure to capture photos of interesting Mini displays. Inevitably something is always missed. Remember the two-toned R90s? If you live within driving distance to this event, don't miss it. It's Mecca for any level of auto enthusiast (and even for some who don't consider themselves such).</p> We'll have a few Motoring File readers attending this event. I'll be sure to capture photos of interesting Mini displays. Inevitably something is always missed. Remember the two-toned R90s? If you live within driving distance to this event, don't miss it. It's Mecca for any level of auto enthusiast (and even for some who don't consider themselves such).

]]> By: Dave http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14954 Dave Fri, 31 Dec 2004 04:37:50 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14954 <p>Remember that the Cooper has a JCW kit too. My guess (and it is just that) is that the transmission might not be able to handle it. On the other hand perhaps the ECU needs a different programming.</p> <p>Dave</p> Remember that the Cooper has a JCW kit too. My guess (and it is just that) is that the transmission might not be able to handle it. On the other hand perhaps the ECU needs a different programming.

Dave

]]> By: matt http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14953 matt Fri, 31 Dec 2004 03:57:21 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14953 <p>actually, didn't the Z06 originally only come in an automatic? could have sworn when they originally were released you could only get in automatic, then eventually the manuals started trickling out.</p> actually, didn't the Z06 originally only come in an automatic? could have sworn when they originally were released you could only get in automatic, then eventually the manuals started trickling out.

]]> By: drew http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14952 drew Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:30:04 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14952 <p>i don't mean to get nasty here - but i cannot echo ian's feelings enough. i am about to order an mcs automatic and would love to one day upgrade to the jcw.</p> <p>play nice! - drew</p> i don't mean to get nasty here – but i cannot echo ian's feelings enough. i am about to order an mcs automatic and would love to one day upgrade to the jcw.

play nice! – drew

]]> By: Ian http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14951 Ian Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:15:26 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14951 <p>"both ideas are an insult to auto enthusiasts everywhere" ... as a MINI enthusiast who asked everyone at their dealership this week if they knew why you could not get JCW on an auto MCS, I disagree totally.</p> “both ideas are an insult to auto enthusiasts everywhere” … as a MINI enthusiast who asked everyone at their dealership this week if they knew why you could not get JCW on an auto MCS, I disagree totally.

]]> By: drew http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14950 drew Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:55:59 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14950 <p>honestly david...get over it!</p> <p>respectfully - drew</p> honestly david…get over it!

respectfully – drew

]]> By: David http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/30/mini_at_the_2005_detroit_autoshow/comment-page-1/#comment-14949 David Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:45:59 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2004/12/30/#comment-14949 <p>Okay, bringing an automatic to the MCS, fine. Bringing the JCW kit to the automatic, unh-unh, no way.... This is really going to sap the life blood out of the JCW mystique should they actually go through with it. There is a certain air of exclusivity in the JCW kit. Imagine a Corvette ZO6 with an auto tranny. Both ideas are an insult to auto enthusiasts everywhere.</p> Okay, bringing an automatic to the MCS, fine. Bringing the JCW kit to the automatic, unh-unh, no way…. This is really going to sap the life blood out of the JCW mystique should they actually go through with it. There is a certain air of exclusivity in the JCW kit. Imagine a Corvette ZO6 with an auto tranny. Both ideas are an insult to auto enthusiasts everywhere.

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