Comments on: JCW Accessories to Become Factory Options http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: MotoringFile » Archive » BMW/MINI to Buy JCW? http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-69592 MotoringFile » Archive » BMW/MINI to Buy JCW? Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:25:12 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-69592 <p>[...] It would seem the first steps of this change will be MINI fitting JCW parts at the factory in Oxford England starting with November production this fall (a story we broke a few weeks ago). However the real benefit of this change will be the JCW offerings for the next generation MINI which fits the “couple years” timeframe perfectly. Just imagine… JCW MINIs being tested along side of M3s and M5s on the Nurburgrung! [...]</p> [...] It would seem the first steps of this change will be MINI fitting JCW parts at the factory in Oxford England starting with November production this fall (a story we broke a few weeks ago). However the real benefit of this change will be the JCW offerings for the next generation MINI which fits the “couple years” timeframe perfectly. Just imagine… JCW MINIs being tested along side of M3s and M5s on the Nurburgrung! [...]

]]> By: accessories http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18708 accessories Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:02:36 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18708 <p>wow, thanks for info.</p> wow, thanks for info.

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18707 Gabe Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:04:09 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18707 <p>JCW won't be increasing the HP until the next model which will be an '07. I would guess the JCW version won't be available until well after the initial R56 launch.</p> JCW won’t be increasing the HP until the next model which will be an ’07. I would guess the JCW version won’t be available until well after the initial R56 launch.

]]> By: greg http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18706 greg Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:48:18 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18706 <p>I agree with Matt. I dropped a bundle on the JCW & JCW suspension. This will greatly reduce the value of my car. I suggest Mini make it up to us by offering future JCW upgrades at no charge (i.e. 210hp to 230(?) for '06).</p> I agree with Matt. I dropped a bundle on the JCW & JCW suspension. This will greatly reduce the value of my car. I suggest Mini make it up to us by offering future JCW upgrades at no charge (i.e. 210hp to 230(?) for ’06).

]]> By: Rodney http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18705 Rodney Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:28:52 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18705 <p>I agree with Derek this is huge for AutoX fans. Finally the JCW will be classed properly.</p> I agree with Derek this is huge for AutoX fans. Finally the JCW will be classed properly.

]]> By: johnsocal http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18704 johnsocal Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:39:49 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18704 <p>If the next JCW does have close to 230HP as being tossed around I would expect that AWD could become standard with that model.</p> If the next JCW does have close to 230HP as being tossed around I would expect that AWD could become standard with that model.

]]> By: Matt http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18703 Matt Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:37:09 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18703 <p>Only thought that pops to mind is MINI now would be offering JCW at a much lower price that current owners paid, which is good for new purchasers and bad for current owners. Current owners/jcw purchasers then have their values reduced, which is not good for owner loyalty. I suggest MINI provide free (all JCW owners through 2005) the new JCW seats as a concession!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll even install it myself... :~)</p> Only thought that pops to mind is MINI now would be offering JCW at a much lower price that current owners paid, which is good for new purchasers and bad for current owners. Current owners/jcw purchasers then have their values reduced, which is not good for owner loyalty. I suggest MINI provide free (all JCW owners through 2005) the new JCW seats as a concession!!!!!!!!!!!! I’ll even install it myself… :~)

]]> By: Thameth http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18702 Thameth Wed, 06 Apr 2005 06:55:08 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18702 <p>If they make the JCW PKG a factory option i see it coming down to as low as $2500. You would be amazed how much money they save by making it part of the production process. If they ask any more than that it'll be a rip off and many people think it already is at $5k! As stated above, SVT made a whole sub line on the Ford Focus plant to make SVT Foci next to the stock Zx3's. MINI should have no problem doing something just as similar.</p> If they make the JCW PKG a factory option i see it coming down to as low as $2500. You would be amazed how much money they save by making it part of the production process. If they ask any more than that it’ll be a rip off and many people think it already is at $5k! As stated above, SVT made a whole sub line on the Ford Focus plant to make SVT Foci next to the stock Zx3′s. MINI should have no problem doing something just as similar.

]]> By: meanboy http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18701 meanboy Wed, 06 Apr 2005 04:28:32 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18701 <p>As far as classified as sportscar for insurance purposes with the jcw option, as long as it has four seats and people don't crash them at an alarming rate the rates should be reasonable. An EVO 8 is only $400 more a year for me and it has 100 more hp then our cooper s.</p> As far as classified as sportscar for insurance purposes with the jcw option, as long as it has four seats and people don’t crash them at an alarming rate the rates should be reasonable. An EVO 8 is only $400 more a year for me and it has 100 more hp then our cooper s.

]]> By: CarNut http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18700 CarNut Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:50:57 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18700 <p>If the JCW engine upgrade is made a factory option, MINI could outsource engine modification to JCW. Ship stock S engines to JCW directly from Tritec where JCW parts are installed then shipped to the factory. This wouldn't add to the assembly process at the factory, but don't expect it to be a lot less expensive than it is now.</p> If the JCW engine upgrade is made a factory option, MINI could outsource engine modification to JCW. Ship stock S engines to JCW directly from Tritec where JCW parts are installed then shipped to the factory. This wouldn’t add to the assembly process at the factory, but don’t expect it to be a lot less expensive than it is now.

]]> By: Rocketboy http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18699 Rocketboy Wed, 06 Apr 2005 01:51:16 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18699 <p>Yes, but will it be retro-fitable? :)</p> Yes, but will it be retro-fitable? :)

]]> By: SB http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18698 SB Wed, 06 Apr 2005 01:20:21 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18698 <p>My two cents: I think the dealers have been sticking it to us for awhile now. Everything that I have installed on my MCS (including alarm, aero kit, light kit, wheels etc..) , has taken me BUT A FRACTION of the time which the dealer "claims" and bills for.</p> <p>If a shade tree mechanic can install an item in half the time the dealer bills us for ... then you know they are installing the items even faster and making a boat-load of money from doing it. When the MINI hit the market in 2002, there were no JCW kits for them to install, and they seemed pleased with thier profits. I say what goes around comes around.</p> <p>Additionally, I have always had a bit of a problem with a dealer tech (who may have limited supervision) doing fairly major engine work on a brand new car. Some will argue that they are as good as factory, and SOME probably are. For my money, I will take the skill, quality control, production efficiency, inspection process, torque accuracies, and overall better working conditions of the factory in Oxford over a dealer whose mechanic may or may not have the diligence, and talent to get the job done to "factory spec". In my view "major engine modification" should not be a dealer added option. Let them install iPod adaptors and cup holders for $120.00 an hour.</p> <p>My hat is off to MINI for seeing the need for factory installed performance gear.</p> My two cents: I think the dealers have been sticking it to us for awhile now. Everything that I have installed on my MCS (including alarm, aero kit, light kit, wheels etc..) , has taken me BUT A FRACTION of the time which the dealer “claims” and bills for.

If a shade tree mechanic can install an item in half the time the dealer bills us for … then you know they are installing the items even faster and making a boat-load of money from doing it. When the MINI hit the market in 2002, there were no JCW kits for them to install, and they seemed pleased with thier profits. I say what goes around comes around.

Additionally, I have always had a bit of a problem with a dealer tech (who may have limited supervision) doing fairly major engine work on a brand new car. Some will argue that they are as good as factory, and SOME probably are. For my money, I will take the skill, quality control, production efficiency, inspection process, torque accuracies, and overall better working conditions of the factory in Oxford over a dealer whose mechanic may or may not have the diligence, and talent to get the job done to “factory spec”. In my view “major engine modification” should not be a dealer added option. Let them install iPod adaptors and cup holders for $120.00 an hour.

My hat is off to MINI for seeing the need for factory installed performance gear.

]]> By: cj http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18697 cj Wed, 06 Apr 2005 01:06:16 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18697 <p>I am waiting for the year to come and I feel it getting closer by the years....... that I can buy the AWD JCW MCS with European Pick up! Then all will be right with the world!</p> I am waiting for the year to come and I feel it getting closer by the years……. that I can buy the AWD JCW MCS with European Pick up! Then all will be right with the world!

]]> By: Pittsnogle http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18696 Pittsnogle Wed, 06 Apr 2005 00:22:12 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18696 <p>If JCW is factory installed it will show on the VIN and will then be clasified as a sports car for insurance and your insurance cost increase will about equal out any savings on the fact that it is factory installed if you keep the car for a couple years. Of course your JCW kit will then be insured which I don't think it is right now since it is not on the VIN.</p> If JCW is factory installed it will show on the VIN and will then be clasified as a sports car for insurance and your insurance cost increase will about equal out any savings on the fact that it is factory installed if you keep the car for a couple years. Of course your JCW kit will then be insured which I don’t think it is right now since it is not on the VIN.

]]> By: MacGuruTX http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18695 MacGuruTX Wed, 06 Apr 2005 00:13:33 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18695 <p>Adding it as a Factory Option, no matter where it is actually installed, will cause the JCW options to show up on the Blue Book, etc type sites.</p> <p>This in turn will let you increase the value of the car for loan purposes. The vast majority of banks don't recognize the JCW as an add-on so you can't include it in the loan value of the vehicle. Which is why I don't drive a JCW at the moment :(</p> Adding it as a Factory Option, no matter where it is actually installed, will cause the JCW options to show up on the Blue Book, etc type sites.

This in turn will let you increase the value of the car for loan purposes. The vast majority of banks don’t recognize the JCW as an add-on so you can’t include it in the loan value of the vehicle. Which is why I don’t drive a JCW at the moment :(

]]> By: meanboy http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18694 meanboy Wed, 06 Apr 2005 00:04:25 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18694 <p>Okay, got it. I think they will need to be careful about making the base price too high because it will start approaching the price levels of the entry level sport coupes..IE G35, etc.</p> Okay, got it. I think they will need to be careful about making the base price too high because it will start approaching the price levels of the entry level sport coupes..IE G35, etc.

]]> By: johnsocal http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18693 johnsocal Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:58:21 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18693 <p>my pricing of 2007 models is mostly guesswork taking into consideration Euro-to-Dollar currency flexuations, added improvements that add to cost,inflation in 2007 dollars, and the fact that new models tend to be more expensive then their outgoing counterparts.</p> my pricing of 2007 models is mostly guesswork taking into consideration Euro-to-Dollar currency flexuations, added improvements that add to cost,inflation in 2007 dollars, and the fact that new models tend to be more expensive then their outgoing counterparts.

]]> By: meanboy http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18692 meanboy Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:12:40 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18692 <p>If it's 4k that wouldnt be too bad. How did you arrive at the MSRP? They are a bit more then the current MSRP.</p> If it’s 4k that wouldnt be too bad. How did you arrive at the MSRP? They are a bit more then the current MSRP.

]]> By: johnsocal http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18691 johnsocal Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:04:29 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18691 <p>I think that JCW will cease to be an option package in 2007 but rather an all new model. The new lineup could be a $19,995 115hp Cooper, a $23,995 170hp Cooper S, and a $27,995 230hp Cooper JCW.</p> I think that JCW will cease to be an option package in 2007 but rather an all new model. The new lineup could be a $19,995 115hp Cooper, a $23,995 170hp Cooper S, and a $27,995 230hp Cooper JCW.

]]> By: KevinR http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/04/05/jcw_accessories_to_become_factory_options/comment-page-1/#comment-18690 KevinR Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:54:30 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/04/05/#comment-18690 <p>I'm all for this. </p> <p>In my mind, it's a lot easier to justify a $5k option that is factory installed. It never made sense to me to have the car delivered, purchase a $4,600 accessory package and pay another $1k or so to have the techs dismantle your brand new car and replace brand new components.</p> I’m all for this.

In my mind, it’s a lot easier to justify a $5k option that is factory installed. It never made sense to me to have the car delivered, purchase a $4,600 accessory package and pay another $1k or so to have the techs dismantle your brand new car and replace brand new components.

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