Comments on: AWD MINI in the Press Again http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:32:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jack07734 http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20267 Jack07734 Thu, 26 May 2005 20:21:21 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20267 <p>And who here wouldn't love the sight of a MINI kicking some Focus butt.</p> <p>Cheers, Jack</p> And who here wouldn’t love the sight of a MINI kicking some Focus butt.

Cheers, Jack

]]> By: Derek http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20266 Derek Wed, 25 May 2005 13:42:13 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20266 <p>And that, Jack, is what I think it's all about.</p> <p>Just in time for the third or fourth year of the next body style "to keep it fresh"....</p> <p>Derek</p> And that, Jack, is what I think it’s all about.

Just in time for the third or fourth year of the next body style “to keep it fresh”….

Derek

]]> By: Jack07734 http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20265 Jack07734 Mon, 23 May 2005 20:07:53 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20265 <p>Here is something to think about. An AWD and bigger MINI will be legal to run as a WRC rally car.</p> <p>Cheers, Jack</p> Here is something to think about. An AWD and bigger MINI will be legal to run as a WRC rally car.

Cheers, Jack

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20264 Gabe Mon, 23 May 2005 19:38:44 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20264 <blockquote> <p>BMW has no experience with AWD performance cars for the street</p> </blockquote> <p>Actually BMW has been making AWD cars since the late 80's (starting with the E30 3 series). The current xDrive system is actually quite nice. That said BMW doesn't use AWD as a performance option for BMWs. They don't see the point considering BMWs start with 50/50 weight distribution and RWD. They figure - why add 200lbs of weight to a vehicle that has an almost perfect drivetrain to begin with. I personally don't see the point either on a car such as a BMW. </p> <p>That said on a car like the MINI, it does make a bit more sense.</p>

BMW has no experience with AWD performance cars for the street

Actually BMW has been making AWD cars since the late 80′s (starting with the E30 3 series). The current xDrive system is actually quite nice. That said BMW doesn’t use AWD as a performance option for BMWs. They don’t see the point considering BMWs start with 50/50 weight distribution and RWD. They figure – why add 200lbs of weight to a vehicle that has an almost perfect drivetrain to begin with. I personally don’t see the point either on a car such as a BMW.

That said on a car like the MINI, it does make a bit more sense.

]]> By: dgszweda http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20263 dgszweda Mon, 23 May 2005 19:15:41 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20263 <p>How realistic is this? It is a great concept, but will BMW really make this? I have to agree with the posts above. For what purpose! They sell more than they can make now. Not sure how this would even fit into their product strategy. It will raise the cost of the car, increase the weight,lower the power because of increased drivetrain loss. BMW has no experience with AWD performance cars for the street, so this would be a whole new arena, and one that is much different than their current X5 and X3 offerings. There would be quite a bit of build up on so many levels for what would really be a niche market. Why is it niche? Because most people would not notice a big difference and they probably would not want to pay a higher price (VW still has R32's on the lot even though they were limited to 5,000 and the VW boards were crawling with posts about how super spectacular awesome it would be for VW to bring over the R32. When VW did, they couldn't even sell them all). The big 4WD sellers (WRX/EVO/R32) are not just selling because they have AWD, but also because of the extreme cheap tuning available for them. None of which Mini has.</p> <p>Don't get me wrong, I would love to have one, but I don't believe Mini would be able to justify it from either the money spent or how it fits into their product lines. I think it is just a tantalizing story that came out, that everyone has exploded into giving it a bigger life than it probably really has.</p> How realistic is this? It is a great concept, but will BMW really make this? I have to agree with the posts above. For what purpose! They sell more than they can make now. Not sure how this would even fit into their product strategy. It will raise the cost of the car, increase the weight,lower the power because of increased drivetrain loss. BMW has no experience with AWD performance cars for the street, so this would be a whole new arena, and one that is much different than their current X5 and X3 offerings. There would be quite a bit of build up on so many levels for what would really be a niche market. Why is it niche? Because most people would not notice a big difference and they probably would not want to pay a higher price (VW still has R32′s on the lot even though they were limited to 5,000 and the VW boards were crawling with posts about how super spectacular awesome it would be for VW to bring over the R32. When VW did, they couldn’t even sell them all). The big 4WD sellers (WRX/EVO/R32) are not just selling because they have AWD, but also because of the extreme cheap tuning available for them. None of which Mini has.

Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have one, but I don’t believe Mini would be able to justify it from either the money spent or how it fits into their product lines. I think it is just a tantalizing story that came out, that everyone has exploded into giving it a bigger life than it probably really has.

]]> By: greg http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20262 greg Mon, 23 May 2005 18:00:39 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20262 <p>Michael. I'm with you. Especially on the 240hp. Do you know something we don't?</p> Michael. I’m with you. Especially on the 240hp. Do you know something we don’t?

]]> By: michael Boice http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20261 michael Boice Mon, 23 May 2005 14:16:33 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20261 <p>A sub 2,800lb, 240hp, FWD, JCW might be a lot of fun...I'm in! Where do I sign up?</p> A sub 2,800lb, 240hp, FWD, JCW might be a lot of fun…I’m in! Where do I sign up?

]]> By: cj http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20260 cj Sun, 22 May 2005 23:35:55 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20260 <p>MCS JWC/AWD via EUROPEAN DELIVERY! </p> <p>Then MINI will have finally gotten it right! Till then I will drive the '02. COME ON MINI!!</p> MCS JWC/AWD via EUROPEAN DELIVERY!

Then MINI will have finally gotten it right! Till then I will drive the ’02. COME ON MINI!!

]]> By: Webb http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20259 Webb Sun, 22 May 2005 18:54:16 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20259 <p>"If the hotcakes are selling before you can make them, why add blueberries?"</p> <p>I wouldn't bat an eye at the extra $500 for LSD. If MINI added the option for AWD, it wouldn't change the number of MINIs they sell, but it would certainly change the price paid for some of those MINIs.</p> <p>For my driving, JCW is of little value because most of my driving is stop and go. If I had the option for all 4 tires pushing the power to the road (instead of 1 tire on my 03' now) I would certainly be much more interested in JCW (or at least a Dinan boost kit).</p> <p>Realistically, an AWD MINI means that I've be hapily paying thousands of dollars (JCW + AWD) more for my new MINI.</p> “If the hotcakes are selling before you can make them, why add blueberries?”

I wouldn’t bat an eye at the extra $500 for LSD. If MINI added the option for AWD, it wouldn’t change the number of MINIs they sell, but it would certainly change the price paid for some of those MINIs.

For my driving, JCW is of little value because most of my driving is stop and go. If I had the option for all 4 tires pushing the power to the road (instead of 1 tire on my 03′ now) I would certainly be much more interested in JCW (or at least a Dinan boost kit).

Realistically, an AWD MINI means that I’ve be hapily paying thousands of dollars (JCW + AWD) more for my new MINI.

]]> By: ChristopherW http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20258 ChristopherW Sun, 22 May 2005 18:41:12 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20258 <p>RWD MINI = www.notgonnahappen.com</p> <p>Why would BMW release a car to compete with the 1-series? A front-biased AWD system I can see, but never a RWD powertrain.</p> RWD MINI = http://www.notgonnahappen.com

Why would BMW release a car to compete with the 1-series? A front-biased AWD system I can see, but never a RWD powertrain.

]]> By: RB http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20257 RB Sun, 22 May 2005 16:29:38 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20257 <p>Was there ever any pixs showing the back wheel set up?</p> <p>Actually I'm more concerned about the loss of the multi-link rear suspension on the newer models that I have read about, even though AWD would be sweet.</p> <p>MINI??????????RWD?????ONLY???????Other than Drifting why would anybody.............never mind.</p> Was there ever any pixs showing the back wheel set up?

Actually I’m more concerned about the loss of the multi-link rear suspension on the newer models that I have read about, even though AWD would be sweet.

MINI??????????RWD?????ONLY???????Other than Drifting why would anybody………….never mind.

]]> By: Rocketboy http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20256 Rocketboy Sun, 22 May 2005 16:08:03 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20256 <p>So, according to Auto Express, the only thing needed to convert a FWD MINI to a RWD MINI is 'New Components'? I can't wait for their hard hitting report on what color the sky is. :)</p> So, according to Auto Express, the only thing needed to convert a FWD MINI to a RWD MINI is ‘New Components’? I can’t wait for their hard hitting report on what color the sky is. :)

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20255 Gabe Sun, 22 May 2005 06:06:57 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20255 <p>Allan - while that might be fun, it's just not going to happen. BMW = rwd performance / MINI = fwd performance (and possibbly awd). I can promise you that BMW won't allow MINI into rwd due to brand concerns.</p> Allan – while that might be fun, it’s just not going to happen. BMW = rwd performance / MINI = fwd performance (and possibbly awd). I can promise you that BMW won’t allow MINI into rwd due to brand concerns.

]]> By: Paul C. http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20254 Paul C. Sun, 22 May 2005 05:22:49 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20254 <p>Somebody tell me who might sell a retrofit kit :) Maybe I should laugh but everything else seems retrofittable so what the heck, why not an AWD system??!!</p> <p>I wish they didn't make the car bigger, this is the biggest thing I'm not too happy about with this 07 onward Mini. I like the idea of AWD but I would like it more in my Mini, the current body size!</p> Somebody tell me who might sell a retrofit kit :) Maybe I should laugh but everything else seems retrofittable so what the heck, why not an AWD system??!!

I wish they didn’t make the car bigger, this is the biggest thing I’m not too happy about with this 07 onward Mini. I like the idea of AWD but I would like it more in my Mini, the current body size!

]]> By: Allan http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20253 Allan Sun, 22 May 2005 04:38:40 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20253 <p>Would you prefer an AWD or RWD?</p> <p>I really would like a RWD over AWD..</p> Would you prefer an AWD or RWD?

I really would like a RWD over AWD..

]]> By: Bart http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20252 Bart Sun, 22 May 2005 04:31:14 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20252 <p>Twinster -? lol ...</p> Twinster -? lol …

]]> By: Aaron Cornaby http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20251 Aaron Cornaby Sun, 22 May 2005 03:47:51 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20251 <p>I spoke to some folks at Getrag USA and from what I gathered there were 3 working AWD MINI's in the UK and they were finalizing on in the USA on their Charlotte facility and it was nearing completion...should be a killer!</p> <p>They did not say much about the relationship with MINI, but had noted that MINI had been keeping their ears to the ground so to speak...if they do a AWD I would assume it would only happen with Getrag and noone else, so it seems that if they can get it to work that MINI would most likely bite...</p> <p>One thing that he said was that since MINI is not having ANY problems selling existing product coming out of a factory that is already maxed out they were less likely to need to add options like AWD...... If the hotcakes are selling before you can make them, why add blueberries?</p> I spoke to some folks at Getrag USA and from what I gathered there were 3 working AWD MINI’s in the UK and they were finalizing on in the USA on their Charlotte facility and it was nearing completion…should be a killer!

They did not say much about the relationship with MINI, but had noted that MINI had been keeping their ears to the ground so to speak…if they do a AWD I would assume it would only happen with Getrag and noone else, so it seems that if they can get it to work that MINI would most likely bite…

One thing that he said was that since MINI is not having ANY problems selling existing product coming out of a factory that is already maxed out they were less likely to need to add options like AWD…… If the hotcakes are selling before you can make them, why add blueberries?

]]> By: Brian C. Shearon http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20250 Brian C. Shearon Sun, 22 May 2005 01:52:56 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20250 <p>For $500 it was easily the most attractive option I added to my MINI S convertible...being able to divert the power to 2 wheels instead of just one makes all the difference in the world. Can only imagine taking that to AWD territory.</p> For $500 it was easily the most attractive option I added to my MINI S convertible…being able to divert the power to 2 wheels instead of just one makes all the difference in the world. Can only imagine taking that to AWD territory.

]]> By: Webb http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20249 Webb Sun, 22 May 2005 01:43:20 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20249 <p>I love my 03 "S". Only thing I find lacking is my (endless?) desire for more traction. I go back and forth between adding an LSD to mine and getting a new one with LSD.</p> <p>If an AWD MINI is really on the horizon I can certainly see waiting for that!</p> I love my 03 “S”. Only thing I find lacking is my (endless?) desire for more traction. I go back and forth between adding an LSD to mine and getting a new one with LSD.

If an AWD MINI is really on the horizon I can certainly see waiting for that!

]]> By: Mario http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/05/21/awd_mini_in_the_press_again/comment-page-1/#comment-20248 Mario Sun, 22 May 2005 00:48:40 +0000 http://matthewgifford.com/2005/05/21/#comment-20248 <p>I hope we will see it on the new MINI!</p> I hope we will see it on the new MINI!

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