Comments on: Scoop: ’07 Cooper S Torque Figures http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: dgszweda http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46452 dgszweda Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:07:52 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46452 <p>I believe this is the same variable geometry turbo found in the 330d. While BMW claims there is no turbo lag, every review that I have seen on the 330d claims turbo lag.</p> I believe this is the same variable geometry turbo found in the 330d. While BMW claims there is no turbo lag, every review that I have seen on the 330d claims turbo lag.

]]> By: Trick http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46336 Trick Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:41:42 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46336 <p>Matthew, I haven't driven a car as big as the Passat with the 1.8T. Interesting.</p> <p>But I still contend in a car as light as the Cooper (or even the porky GTIs) that it's all but unnoticeable because of the tuning.</p> Matthew, I haven’t driven a car as big as the Passat with the 1.8T. Interesting.

But I still contend in a car as light as the Cooper (or even the porky GTIs) that it’s all but unnoticeable because of the tuning.

]]> By: MINIAK http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46241 MINIAK Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:41:04 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46241 <p>I have a Audi 2.0T with similar technology turbo to this. The Turbo kicks in WAY DOWN LOW so there is "virtually" no lag. Really can tell a diff between it and my 04 SCooper.</p> <p>I am in line for the '07!</p> I have a Audi 2.0T with similar technology turbo to this. The Turbo kicks in WAY DOWN LOW so there is “virtually” no lag. Really can tell a diff between it and my 04 SCooper.

I am in line for the ’07!

]]> By: cct1 http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46230 cct1 Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:23:43 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46230 <p>Gonna be a whole bunch of interesting stuff on the 28th....</p> Gonna be a whole bunch of interesting stuff on the 28th….

]]> By: Matthew http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46222 Matthew Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:11:17 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46222 <p>Trick, I also have a VW 1.8T (2003 Passat) and it has lag. And even when I use a heavy right foot the lag is still always there.</p> Trick, I also have a VW 1.8T (2003 Passat) and it has lag. And even when I use a heavy right foot the lag is still always there.

]]> By: eto http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46219 eto Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:05:57 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46219 <blockquote>I’ll have more later today… then the next day… then the next day… :)</blockquote> <p>Excellent!!! My work productivity for the rest of the week just went down as I keep clicking Refresh on my web browser for more MINI goodness!</p> I’ll have more later today… then the next day… then the next day… :)

Excellent!!! My work productivity for the rest of the week just went down as I keep clicking Refresh on my web browser for more MINI goodness!

]]> By: Chad http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46218 Chad Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:48:07 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46218 <p>Any word on equal-length driveshaft thingys? Like the current car to reduce torque steer?</p> Any word on equal-length driveshaft thingys? Like the current car to reduce torque steer?

]]> By: OH Steve http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46214 OH Steve Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:24:59 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46214 <p>It's like he's dealin' crack!</p> It’s like he’s dealin’ crack!

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46211 Gabe Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:16:00 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46211 <p>I'll have more later today... then the next day... then the next day... :)</p> I’ll have more later today… then the next day… then the next day… :)

]]> By: Shamus http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46210 Shamus Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:12:43 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46210 <p>Gabe, my ADD can't handle this slow trickle of info. 180lbs. 175lb/ft. Arrrrgh! You really know how to keep us hanging on...though, it's a pleasurable torture. Thanks for the inside scoop.</p> Gabe, my ADD can’t handle this slow trickle of info. 180lbs. 175lb/ft. Arrrrgh! You really know how to keep us hanging on…though, it’s a pleasurable torture. Thanks for the inside scoop.

]]> By: Trick http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46208 Trick Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:38:48 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46208 <p>Having owned a VW with the 1.8T powerplant in it. . . If you notice any lag before it hits full torque as low as 1600 RPM then you don't use enough right foot when you drive around.</p> <p>The torque curve is so fat you're never out of it.</p> <p>Unless you stall the car.</p> Having owned a VW with the 1.8T powerplant in it. . . If you notice any lag before it hits full torque as low as 1600 RPM then you don’t use enough right foot when you drive around.

The torque curve is so fat you’re never out of it.

Unless you stall the car.

]]> By: BeOSKid http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46205 BeOSKid Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:20:02 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46205 <p>All the engine numbers and weight reductions are awesome. i just don't like what they've done to the front and back ends. still have to reserve final judgement since it's not in production. to me it just doesn't have the appeal of the v1 mini. the lines to flow like v1. seems to be a little more chunky. of course my opinion.</p> All the engine numbers and weight reductions are awesome. i just don’t like what they’ve done to the front and back ends. still have to reserve final judgement since it’s not in production. to me it just doesn’t have the appeal of the v1 mini. the lines to flow like v1. seems to be a little more chunky. of course my opinion.

]]> By: Frank http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46199 Frank Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:10:51 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46199 <p>Sounds good on paper for sure. Still I am going to wait a year or two before "upgrading" to a Turbocharged MCS. No matter how you cut it or slice it, BMW will have quality control glitches with these cars until possibly the end of the second year of production.</p> Sounds good on paper for sure. Still I am going to wait a year or two before “upgrading” to a Turbocharged MCS. No matter how you cut it or slice it, BMW will have quality control glitches with these cars until possibly the end of the second year of production.

]]> By: Mark Hendrie http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46198 Mark Hendrie Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:07:30 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46198 <p>Just thought - I cannot wait for the new ultimate Mini tests with the new MCS in the mix with the old modified version!</p> Just thought – I cannot wait for the new ultimate Mini tests with the new MCS in the mix with the old modified version!

]]> By: GSKChicago http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46196 GSKChicago Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:26:20 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46196 <p>It is clear that BMW/MINI did so well with the first gen new MINI and are of course well aware of this - they do not want to bastardize that success with a shoddy second gen.</p> <p>That said, every indication sounds like they are very aware of what they are doing, issues with the first gen and really trying to hit a home run with v2.</p> <p>No matter what they do however there will be purists who will prefer this generation vs the next generation - on the flip side there will be those who will swear by the next gen vs the first.</p> <p>From everything Gabe has been reporting for months and months, I think (IMHO) the '07 MINI will be great, it will simply come down to preference after that.</p> <p>Thanks for the continued scoops!</p> It is clear that BMW/MINI did so well with the first gen new MINI and are of course well aware of this – they do not want to bastardize that success with a shoddy second gen.

That said, every indication sounds like they are very aware of what they are doing, issues with the first gen and really trying to hit a home run with v2.

No matter what they do however there will be purists who will prefer this generation vs the next generation – on the flip side there will be those who will swear by the next gen vs the first.

From everything Gabe has been reporting for months and months, I think (IMHO) the ’07 MINI will be great, it will simply come down to preference after that.

Thanks for the continued scoops!

]]> By: Charlie http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46192 Charlie Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:19:40 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46192 <p>If the first year car is reliable, I might be more inclined to upgrade. It seems that only a powerplant change would not have as many issues as a whole car introduction.</p> If the first year car is reliable, I might be more inclined to upgrade. It seems that only a powerplant change would not have as many issues as a whole car introduction.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46191 Matthew Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:19:34 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46191 <p>Yeah put me in the skeptical club on that "non-existent turbo lag". Don't get me wrong, the new MCS sounds fantastic but auto makers have been claiming "no lag" for years and each and everyone has lag.</p> Yeah put me in the skeptical club on that “non-existent turbo lag”. Don’t get me wrong, the new MCS sounds fantastic but auto makers have been claiming “no lag” for years and each and everyone has lag.

]]> By: appmacguy http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46187 appmacguy Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:05:37 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46187 <p>What about the Cooper, all the attention seems to be for the Cooper S. More Cooper snippets please!</p> What about the Cooper, all the attention seems to be for the Cooper S. More Cooper snippets please!

]]> By: Mark Hendrie http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46186 Mark Hendrie Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:02:27 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46186 <p>It is as if the new car just keeps getting better and better! Nice one!</p> It is as if the new car just keeps getting better and better! Nice one!

]]> By: Avitor http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-46183 Avitor Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:56:37 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/26/2007-cooper-s-torque-figures/#comment-46183 <p>I'll beleive the lag claims after a test drive, but the weight, horsepower, and torque improvements have me more interested in an R56 than I thought I would be. Though, there is that nagging part of my psyche that longs for a supercharger.</p> I’ll beleive the lag claims after a test drive, but the weight, horsepower, and torque improvements have me more interested in an R56 than I thought I would be. Though, there is that nagging part of my psyche that longs for a supercharger.

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