Comments on: 2008 JCW Comes up to Speed http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: UBeenMiniD http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-89036 UBeenMiniD Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:49:19 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-89036 <p>Roger,</p> <p>Have you ever driven the Renault R5 Turbo?</p> <p>Very tough to control. Huge turbo lag.</p> Roger,

Have you ever driven the Renault R5 Turbo?

Very tough to control. Huge turbo lag.

]]> By: UBeenMiniD http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-89035 UBeenMiniD Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:44:05 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-89035 <p>This is the exact reason why I decided to get the GP.</p> <p>Once I heard that the R57 was going the way of turbo, I knew it would mean long term problems. From heating to greater wear and tear, turboes just chew up engines faster. Period.</p> <p>Even back in the '70's / early '80's, BMW struggled with their F1 program to keep the engines from blowing up. It was more because of the turboes and the engine management than anything else. They used a highly modified head from ... the old 2002. The thing could get over 1,000 hp with 4 cylinders and turbo. The lag was horrible though.</p> <p>Of course, things have come a long way, but the problem remains. Turboes are great, but not if you have longevity concerns.</p> <p>If you do consider the R57 and whatever JCW comes out with ... one of the absolute mods is a turbo oil cooler. I believe Canton puts one of the better ones. It primes the turbo before start up, and pumps oil into the turbo upon shutdown to gradually bring the temp back down without as much wear and tear.</p> This is the exact reason why I decided to get the GP.

Once I heard that the R57 was going the way of turbo, I knew it would mean long term problems. From heating to greater wear and tear, turboes just chew up engines faster. Period.

Even back in the ’70′s / early ’80′s, BMW struggled with their F1 program to keep the engines from blowing up. It was more because of the turboes and the engine management than anything else. They used a highly modified head from … the old 2002. The thing could get over 1,000 hp with 4 cylinders and turbo. The lag was horrible though.

Of course, things have come a long way, but the problem remains. Turboes are great, but not if you have longevity concerns.

If you do consider the R57 and whatever JCW comes out with … one of the absolute mods is a turbo oil cooler. I believe Canton puts one of the better ones. It primes the turbo before start up, and pumps oil into the turbo upon shutdown to gradually bring the temp back down without as much wear and tear.

]]> By: RandyBMC http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-88857 RandyBMC Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:54:35 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-88857 <p>I am not too worried. There is a lot of work to be done, but even before having my hands on the car, I have some "outside the box" ideas. We already have a downpipe, cat replacement and cat-back thanks to our UK friends and their development giving us some very impressive initial numbers.</p> <p>The R53 can be bored, but the water jackets are too close to the cylinder bore to make it reliable. Maybe we will have the luxury, albeit more expensive, to go with a "big bore kit" on the R56.</p> <p>There is potential!</p> <p>Randy</p> I am not too worried. There is a lot of work to be done, but even before having my hands on the car, I have some “outside the box” ideas. We already have a downpipe, cat replacement and cat-back thanks to our UK friends and their development giving us some very impressive initial numbers.

The R53 can be bored, but the water jackets are too close to the cylinder bore to make it reliable. Maybe we will have the luxury, albeit more expensive, to go with a “big bore kit” on the R56.

There is potential!

Randy

]]> By: Mark http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-88272 Mark Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:05:16 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-88272 <p>"MINI D TO USA Or BUST!" I like the sound of that :)</p> “MINI D TO USA Or BUST!” I like the sound of that :)

]]> By: R56 Works Info, Discussion, Banter and Pre-orders. - Page 8 - MINI2 http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-88237 R56 Works Info, Discussion, Banter and Pre-orders. - Page 8 - MINI2 Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:30:09 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-88237 <p>[...] MotoringFile » Archive » 2008 JCW Comes up to Speed Global Moderator [...]</p> [...] MotoringFile » Archive » 2008 JCW Comes up to Speed Global Moderator [...]

]]> By: banned http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87617 banned Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:14:19 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87617 <p>Clubman AWD JCW Yes sir! Put me in that line! But it has to be long enough to race! Can you bore out an R53?</p> Clubman AWD JCW Yes sir! Put me in that line! But it has to be long enough to race! Can you bore out an R53?

]]> By: R56LVR http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87599 R56LVR Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:13:21 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87599 <p>This new car will have to be pretty amazing to rip me away from my full Works R56 with a flap-less airbox, a resonator-less exhaust, and a gray-market GP Intercooler. Over 100km and still completely infatuated.</p> This new car will have to be pretty amazing to rip me away from my full Works R56 with a flap-less airbox, a resonator-less exhaust, and a gray-market GP Intercooler. Over 100km and still completely infatuated.

]]> By: Mark Smith http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87594 Mark Smith Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:03:28 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87594 <p>I really hope they don't go the seperate model route. I like the fact that I could wake up one day and say "You know what? I think I want 225 H.P. now!" and jump on the highway to exit 11, park Quicksilver out front, walk myself to see George in service and say "when will it be ready and which one is my loaner car?"</p> I really hope they don’t go the seperate model route. I like the fact that I could wake up one day and say “You know what? I think I want 225 H.P. now!” and jump on the highway to exit 11, park Quicksilver out front, walk myself to see George in service and say “when will it be ready and which one is my loaner car?”

]]> By: drew http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87579 drew Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:17:01 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87579 <p>couldn't agree more james. the new jcw aero kit looks really awful to me. (especially the jcw spoiler). can you say overdesigned??</p> couldn’t agree more james. the new jcw aero kit looks really awful to me. (especially the jcw spoiler). can you say overdesigned??

]]> By: Siddhartha http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87485 Siddhartha Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:24:13 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87485 <p>Can we say, teething problems? It won't be the last time with a brand new clean sheet engine.</p> <p>I'm anxious for someone get his/her '07 MCS broken in and bring it out to the track so we can see how it compares to the '05/'06.</p> Can we say, teething problems? It won’t be the last time with a brand new clean sheet engine.

I’m anxious for someone get his/her ’07 MCS broken in and bring it out to the track so we can see how it compares to the ’05/’06.

]]> By: Bud http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87477 Bud Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:06:38 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87477 <p>Time for JCW to focus on Cooper D scale up mods. Companies like Schnitzer, Hammann and Alpina have not negleted to enhance BMW diesel performance. It's time for MINI to do likewise. Bush gave the prospect of a greater diesel presence in the US a boost in his SOU speech. Let us proclaim:</p> <p>MINI D TO USA Or BUST! Better yet ... JCW MINI D W/ GETRAG AWD OR BUST!!</p> Time for JCW to focus on Cooper D scale up mods. Companies like Schnitzer, Hammann and Alpina have not negleted to enhance BMW diesel performance. It’s time for MINI to do likewise. Bush gave the prospect of a greater diesel presence in the US a boost in his SOU speech. Let us proclaim:

MINI D TO USA Or BUST! Better yet … JCW MINI D W/ GETRAG AWD OR BUST!!

]]> By: James http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87475 James Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:52:47 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87475 <p>It would be a shame if to get the JCW Tuning Kit, suspension, and brakes you also had to get the (awful) JCW Aerokit.</p> It would be a shame if to get the JCW Tuning Kit, suspension, and brakes you also had to get the (awful) JCW Aerokit.

]]> By: fdavid http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87474 fdavid Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:45:15 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87474 <p>Any guess on the price for this model?</p> Any guess on the price for this model?

]]> By: GZ http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87466 GZ Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:33:52 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87466 <p>Or heavier Nate. I'm praying for a fall release.</p> Or heavier Nate. I’m praying for a fall release.

]]> By: chipgrafx http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87464 chipgrafx Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:30:45 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87464 <p>Why don't they have Fireballed Racing develop and build the JCW car? They will give it proper horsepower.</p> Why don’t they have Fireballed Racing develop and build the JCW car? They will give it proper horsepower.

]]> By: Roger http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87444 Roger Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:02:47 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87444 <p>You know this is what you really want. ;^)</p> <p>http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0308scc_renault_r5_turbo_2/</p> You know this is what you really want. ;^)

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0308scc_renault_r5_turbo_2/

]]> By: Bob M http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87440 Bob M Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:59:59 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87440 <p>A real bummer about a possible delay for the next MCW. I planned to make a decision at the end of the summer between the new MCW and the 335i. The images they present are so different, and I can't see myself beating up a BMW the way I would the MCW. The decision has been put off too long, as I'd be in a 2006 MCW right now if my salesman hadn't missed a test drive appointment he set up.</p> <p>I, too, would prefer the option to be the wolf in sheep's clothing when it comes to the extra power in the MCW.</p> A real bummer about a possible delay for the next MCW. I planned to make a decision at the end of the summer between the new MCW and the 335i. The images they present are so different, and I can’t see myself beating up a BMW the way I would the MCW. The decision has been put off too long, as I’d be in a 2006 MCW right now if my salesman hadn’t missed a test drive appointment he set up.

I, too, would prefer the option to be the wolf in sheep’s clothing when it comes to the extra power in the MCW.

]]> By: meb http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87422 meb Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:18:26 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87422 <p>BMW may be getting lots of power, but reliability is questionable...and controlling heat is a major challange when increasing a turbo's output. Heat will affect reliability. The 335i's heat related problems are due to packaging; the turbos are tucked neatly away...and away from cool air too. Packaging for the masses might not allow for big boost changes, but aftermarket type folk like Randy may need to think way outside the box in an effort to supply a small niche of buyers.</p> <p>It’s disappointing to hear that their 1.6L turbo platform doesn’t have the scale-up the Tritec powerplant had. I think back to Randy Webb on WRR talking about how he wondered if they’d be able to just dial boost in and get more performance. Guess not. I know MINI will figure it out, but I feel bad for Randy and the folks at Webb Motorsports ’cause their work may indeed be cut out for them to get the same kind of hp gains in the R56 so many have enjoyed up to now. I have no doubts they’ll come up with great stuff.</p> BMW may be getting lots of power, but reliability is questionable…and controlling heat is a major challange when increasing a turbo’s output. Heat will affect reliability. The 335i’s heat related problems are due to packaging; the turbos are tucked neatly away…and away from cool air too. Packaging for the masses might not allow for big boost changes, but aftermarket type folk like Randy may need to think way outside the box in an effort to supply a small niche of buyers.

It’s disappointing to hear that their 1.6L turbo platform doesn’t have the scale-up the Tritec powerplant had. I think back to Randy Webb on WRR talking about how he wondered if they’d be able to just dial boost in and get more performance. Guess not. I know MINI will figure it out, but I feel bad for Randy and the folks at Webb Motorsports ’cause their work may indeed be cut out for them to get the same kind of hp gains in the R56 so many have enjoyed up to now. I have no doubts they’ll come up with great stuff.

]]> By: FrankInMiami http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87419 FrankInMiami Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:09:35 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87419 <p>I can wait to see a JCW Clubman. The ultimate "Hearse" built for speed.</p> I can wait to see a JCW Clubman. The ultimate “Hearse” built for speed.

]]> By: Nathaniel Salzman http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/comment-page-1/#comment-87414 Nathaniel Salzman Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:00:49 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/01/24/2008-jcw-comes-up-to-speed/#comment-87414 <p>It's disappointing to hear that their 1.6L turbo platform doesn't have the scale-up the Tritec powerplant had. I think back to Randy Webb on WRR talking about how he wondered if they'd be able to just dial boost in and get more performance. Guess not. I know MINI will figure it out, but I feel bad for Randy and the folks at Webb Motorsports 'cause their work may indeed be cut out for them to get the same kind of hp gains in the R56 so many have enjoyed up to now. I have no doubts they'll come up with great stuff.</p> <p>I wonder if the bore-up will lead to some future engine swapping. I really don't care about the size of the engine so long as the car itself doesn't get any bigger.</p> It’s disappointing to hear that their 1.6L turbo platform doesn’t have the scale-up the Tritec powerplant had. I think back to Randy Webb on WRR talking about how he wondered if they’d be able to just dial boost in and get more performance. Guess not. I know MINI will figure it out, but I feel bad for Randy and the folks at Webb Motorsports ’cause their work may indeed be cut out for them to get the same kind of hp gains in the R56 so many have enjoyed up to now. I have no doubts they’ll come up with great stuff.

I wonder if the bore-up will lead to some future engine swapping. I really don’t care about the size of the engine so long as the car itself doesn’t get any bigger.

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