Comments on: 2008 JCW Stage One Upgrade Revealed http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/ MINI Cooper news, reviews and opinion. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:20:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: MotoringFile » Archive » Official JCW (Dealer Installed) Engine Kit PDF http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-2/#comment-192074 MotoringFile » Archive » Official JCW (Dealer Installed) Engine Kit PDF Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:56:51 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-192074 <p>[...] heard the rumors, seen the photos, and read the reviews and even our recent comparison test. Now (as is tradition on [...]</p> [...] heard the rumors, seen the photos, and read the reviews and even our recent comparison test. Now (as is tradition on [...]

]]> By: Whatever http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-178390 Whatever Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:11:05 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-178390 <p>$2000 for ecu is too much. The exhaust is just a different muffler and the airfilter is worth only about $50-$100. You would probably get the same increase in HP with just the ECU. Booooo...</p> $2000 for ecu is too much. The exhaust is just a different muffler and the airfilter is worth only about $50-$100. You would probably get the same increase in HP with just the ECU. Booooo…

]]> By: Michel http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-132870 Michel Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:36:03 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-132870 <p>Turbo upgrade kit's on the R56 should have 250-260hp easy... Why JCW are so conservative? ;-(</p> Turbo upgrade kit’s on the R56 should have 250-260hp easy… Why JCW are so conservative? ;-(

]]> By: QandElf http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-101621 QandElf Mon, 05 Mar 2007 04:49:47 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-101621 <p>What is this stuff you people are smoking? $45-50k for the MINI? Based on what? You are already driving around in an overpriced car anyway! I bought my MINI in Europe (Italy) in March of 2004. My invoice sheet lists my FULLY LOADED (the only thing I didn't get was JCW) IB/W MCS as €18.556,29 ($22,170.00). In the States, it would have cost me around $28,500-$29,000. But I do like the fact that now, three years later, having my beautiful MINI in the US means that it's Blue Book is still almost $500 more than I paid three years ago...</p> <p>BTW, the other press releases I've seen talked about the European price being about €1.690,00, which is about $2,250.00. If it IS sold in the US for $3,000.00, then it's just MINIUSA gutting your wallets again.</p> What is this stuff you people are smoking? $45-50k for the MINI? Based on what? You are already driving around in an overpriced car anyway! I bought my MINI in Europe (Italy) in March of 2004. My invoice sheet lists my FULLY LOADED (the only thing I didn’t get was JCW) IB/W MCS as €18.556,29 ($22,170.00). In the States, it would have cost me around $28,500-$29,000. But I do like the fact that now, three years later, having my beautiful MINI in the US means that it’s Blue Book is still almost $500 more than I paid three years ago…

BTW, the other press releases I’ve seen talked about the European price being about €1.690,00, which is about $2,250.00. If it IS sold in the US for $3,000.00, then it’s just MINIUSA gutting your wallets again.

]]> By: MINI set to release “Stage One” JCW model at Auto, trader, repair car http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100811 MINI set to release “Stage One” JCW model at Auto, trader, repair car Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:09:31 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100811 <p>[...] We have only one source for trusted insights into the MINI brand, and that’s Motoringfile. The chaps who cover the diminutive brand are reporting that MINI’s newly acquired John Cooper Works tuning shop will produce two high-performance JCW vehicles based on the new R56 MINI. The website surmises that at next week’s Geneva Motor Show, MINI will introduce the first vehicle, what is unofficially being referred to as the “Stage One Kit”. Output is expected to be around 190 and 200bhp thanks to a freer flowing intake and exhaust combined with revised ECU tuning. It’s a nice bump over the MINI Cooper S that offers buyers 175 hp from its turbocharged 1.6L four-banger, but still leaves us wanting for more. Supposedly that’s where the JCW “Stage Two Kit” comes in, though no information is yet available on what will be the ultimate factory-tuned MINI. [...]</p> [...] We have only one source for trusted insights into the MINI brand, and that’s Motoringfile. The chaps who cover the diminutive brand are reporting that MINI’s newly acquired John Cooper Works tuning shop will produce two high-performance JCW vehicles based on the new R56 MINI. The website surmises that at next week’s Geneva Motor Show, MINI will introduce the first vehicle, what is unofficially being referred to as the “Stage One Kit”. Output is expected to be around 190 and 200bhp thanks to a freer flowing intake and exhaust combined with revised ECU tuning. It’s a nice bump over the MINI Cooper S that offers buyers 175 hp from its turbocharged 1.6L four-banger, but still leaves us wanting for more. Supposedly that’s where the JCW “Stage Two Kit” comes in, though no information is yet available on what will be the ultimate factory-tuned MINI. [...]

]]> By: Auto, trader, repair car » Blog Archive » MINI set to release “Stage One” JCW model http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100765 Auto, trader, repair car » Blog Archive » MINI set to release “Stage One” JCW model Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:25:40 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100765 <p>[...] We have only one source for trusted insights into the MINI brand, and that’s Motoringfile. The chaps who cover the diminutive brand are reporting that MINI’s newly acquired John Cooper Works tuning shop will produce two high-performance JCW vehicles based on the new R56 MINI. The website surmises that at next week’s Geneva Motor Show, MINI will introduce the first vehicle, what is unofficially being referred to as the “Stage One Kit”. Output is expected to be around 190 and 200bhp thanks to a freer flowing intake and exhaust combined with revised ECU tuning. It’s a nice bump over the MINI Cooper S that offers buyers 175 hp from its turbocharged 1.6L four-banger, but still leaves us wanting for more. Supposedly that’s where the JCW “Stage Two Kit” comes in, though no information is yet available on what will be the ultimate factory-tuned MINI. [...]</p> [...] We have only one source for trusted insights into the MINI brand, and that’s Motoringfile. The chaps who cover the diminutive brand are reporting that MINI’s newly acquired John Cooper Works tuning shop will produce two high-performance JCW vehicles based on the new R56 MINI. The website surmises that at next week’s Geneva Motor Show, MINI will introduce the first vehicle, what is unofficially being referred to as the “Stage One Kit”. Output is expected to be around 190 and 200bhp thanks to a freer flowing intake and exhaust combined with revised ECU tuning. It’s a nice bump over the MINI Cooper S that offers buyers 175 hp from its turbocharged 1.6L four-banger, but still leaves us wanting for more. Supposedly that’s where the JCW “Stage Two Kit” comes in, though no information is yet available on what will be the ultimate factory-tuned MINI. [...]

]]> By: MotoringFile » Archive » 2007 JCW Kit Officially Announced http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100601 MotoringFile » Archive » 2007 JCW Kit Officially Announced Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:37:04 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100601 <p>[...] MINI of Germany has just officially announced the JCW kit for the R56. As we reported yesterday, the kit includes a JCW exhaust, intake and ECU software upgrade. The new components develop 192bhp and Torque 184lbf-ft/250nm (199lbf-ft/270nm with overboost). [...]</p> [...] MINI of Germany has just officially announced the JCW kit for the R56. As we reported yesterday, the kit includes a JCW exhaust, intake and ECU software upgrade. The new components develop 192bhp and Torque 184lbf-ft/250nm (199lbf-ft/270nm with overboost). [...]

]]> By: Automotive Articles Magazine » Just another WordPress weblog » Blog Archive » MINI set to release “Stage One” JCW model http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100589 Automotive Articles Magazine » Just another WordPress weblog » Blog Archive » MINI set to release “Stage One” JCW model Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:31:41 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100589 <p>[...] We have only one source for trusted insights into the MINI brand, and that’s Motoringfile. The chaps who cover the diminutive brand are reporting that MINI’s newly acquired John Cooper Works tuning shop will produce two high-performance JCW vehicles based on the new R56 MINI. The website surmises that at next week’s Geneva Motor Show, MINI will introduce the first vehicle, what is unofficially being referred to as the “Stage One Kit”. Output is expected to be around 190 and 200bhp thanks to a freer flowing intake and exhaust combined with revised ECU tuning. It’s a nice bump over the MINI Cooper S that offers buyers 175 hp from its turbocharged 1.6L four-banger, but still leaves us wanting for more. Supposedly that’s where the JCW “Stage Two Kit” comes in, though no information is yet available on what will be the ultimate factory-tuned MINI. [...]</p> [...] We have only one source for trusted insights into the MINI brand, and that’s Motoringfile. The chaps who cover the diminutive brand are reporting that MINI’s newly acquired John Cooper Works tuning shop will produce two high-performance JCW vehicles based on the new R56 MINI. The website surmises that at next week’s Geneva Motor Show, MINI will introduce the first vehicle, what is unofficially being referred to as the “Stage One Kit”. Output is expected to be around 190 and 200bhp thanks to a freer flowing intake and exhaust combined with revised ECU tuning. It’s a nice bump over the MINI Cooper S that offers buyers 175 hp from its turbocharged 1.6L four-banger, but still leaves us wanting for more. Supposedly that’s where the JCW “Stage Two Kit” comes in, though no information is yet available on what will be the ultimate factory-tuned MINI. [...]

]]> By: GZ http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100565 GZ Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:26:03 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100565 <p>If it's $2000 for a 25HP bump then that is a bargain as measured by not only what the aftermarket has offered in the past but especially compared to the R53 JCW. $6300 for a 40 HO bump. Not to mention $2000 for the JCW suspension and $1100 for the brakes. I drank the JCW koolade on all three in 2005 and lost my shirt when I sold it. Furthermore as Gabe pointed out I had to have the sport package ($1600) to get all this. I'm unclear if that is the case to add "stage one".</p> <p>It's a great idea to make the extra power available for MCS owners to go back and upgrade. However, I agree that if they call it JCW tuning then the "stage two" should have it's own designation as it's own model. Call it "M" or something else. How about "HP" for "high performance" or "SS" for "super sport" or "R" like the Jag or Honda performance model. Or if the pricing is unreasonable just "S" for sucker.</p> If it’s $2000 for a 25HP bump then that is a bargain as measured by not only what the aftermarket has offered in the past but especially compared to the R53 JCW. $6300 for a 40 HO bump. Not to mention $2000 for the JCW suspension and $1100 for the brakes. I drank the JCW koolade on all three in 2005 and lost my shirt when I sold it. Furthermore as Gabe pointed out I had to have the sport package ($1600) to get all this. I’m unclear if that is the case to add “stage one”.

It’s a great idea to make the extra power available for MCS owners to go back and upgrade. However, I agree that if they call it JCW tuning then the “stage two” should have it’s own designation as it’s own model. Call it “M” or something else. How about “HP” for “high performance” or “SS” for “super sport” or “R” like the Jag or Honda performance model. Or if the pricing is unreasonable just “S” for sucker.

]]> By: Chris http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100555 Chris Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:28:20 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100555 <p>I'd definitely pay $2000 for an intake/ECU/exhaust kit with factory warranty. I wouldn't pay $3000 though.</p> I’d definitely pay $2000 for an intake/ECU/exhaust kit with factory warranty. I wouldn’t pay $3000 though.

]]> By: Jon http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100495 Jon Wed, 28 Feb 2007 05:01:18 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100495 <p>I believe your correct Gabe about this being a better deal than the last JCW offering. However I still wonder about the logic of attaching a JCW tag to something that every aftermaket vendor will follow and improve upon. The only way JCW will ever truely stand out as something special is when the JCW stand out over a MCS just like the M5 is over the standard 5 series.</p> <p>By releasing yet another kit form JCW they are reproducing the same lackluster resale value of the current JCW. Anything that gets bolted on at the dealership will never have the resale of a factory car. Strange thing is that BMW already knows this hence the M division. I have a good measure of faith in Mini, but do worry that by attaching JCW to very different cars will dimish the entire JCW brand.</p> <p>Just hoping that when I save my pennies for JCW this time around I don't suffer the same pathetic resale that my current JCW has suffered.</p> I believe your correct Gabe about this being a better deal than the last JCW offering. However I still wonder about the logic of attaching a JCW tag to something that every aftermaket vendor will follow and improve upon. The only way JCW will ever truely stand out as something special is when the JCW stand out over a MCS just like the M5 is over the standard 5 series.

By releasing yet another kit form JCW they are reproducing the same lackluster resale value of the current JCW. Anything that gets bolted on at the dealership will never have the resale of a factory car. Strange thing is that BMW already knows this hence the M division. I have a good measure of faith in Mini, but do worry that by attaching JCW to very different cars will dimish the entire JCW brand.

Just hoping that when I save my pennies for JCW this time around I don’t suffer the same pathetic resale that my current JCW has suffered.

]]> By: Maciek http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100494 Maciek Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:53:55 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100494 <p>I guess we have to wait and see what the "Stage II" entails, but this is slightly disappointing.</p> <p>I don't have a problem with Mini selling "JCW" upgrades for the R56, but it is the pricing that is a bit ridiculous.</p> <p>I thought the JCW kit for the R53 was very overpriced. There is the argument that the aftermarket will always be cheaper, but if compare a M3 to a non-M three series, the M3 is a bargain if you tried to upgrade all the things that come in the package to a regular 3 series.</p> <p>I certainly hope that the second JCW stage contains subtle exterior styling upgrades (mild body kit, badging) an upgraded interior (SEATS!, gauges, wheel) a 1.8T engine and an upgraded suspension.</p> <p>If the Stage II JCW address the car as a package rather then independent overpriced modifications that can be individually supplied by the aftermarket I will be thrilled.</p> I guess we have to wait and see what the “Stage II” entails, but this is slightly disappointing.

I don’t have a problem with Mini selling “JCW” upgrades for the R56, but it is the pricing that is a bit ridiculous.

I thought the JCW kit for the R53 was very overpriced. There is the argument that the aftermarket will always be cheaper, but if compare a M3 to a non-M three series, the M3 is a bargain if you tried to upgrade all the things that come in the package to a regular 3 series.

I certainly hope that the second JCW stage contains subtle exterior styling upgrades (mild body kit, badging) an upgraded interior (SEATS!, gauges, wheel) a 1.8T engine and an upgraded suspension.

If the Stage II JCW address the car as a package rather then independent overpriced modifications that can be individually supplied by the aftermarket I will be thrilled.

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100492 Gabe Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:31:46 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100492 <p>Naturally there are going to be aftermarket products that promise similar results for less money. But this has always been the case with the aftermarket. And as always, there are obvious positives and negatives to both. If anything I'd say (and yes it's still early) that this kit looks to be a slightly better deal than the previous kit offered with the R53.</p> Naturally there are going to be aftermarket products that promise similar results for less money. But this has always been the case with the aftermarket. And as always, there are obvious positives and negatives to both. If anything I’d say (and yes it’s still early) that this kit looks to be a slightly better deal than the previous kit offered with the R53.

]]> By: scott http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100484 scott Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:28:12 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100484 <p>Waiting for "stage 2" JCW info!!!</p> Waiting for “stage 2″ JCW info!!!

]]> By: derek http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100478 derek Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:13:38 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100478 <blockquote>A lot of you are stuck on this horsepower kick. You have to look at the possible low end benefit if any. The R56 already beats the R53 in this caregory. Now if we’re talking 200 H.P. with 192 Lb/ft. of torque arriving low in the rev range (1,600 to 1,700 RPM) you’ve got a monster on your hands. Remember an R53 (’05 and ‘06) achieved 207 H.P. (U.S.) but only achieved 180 Lb./ft. of torque at 4,500 RPM’s. Today’s R56 can almost match an ‘05/’06 JCW car without any upgrades. If you’re able to finally upgrade the R56 you wouldn’t have to do much in my opinion to beat out the ‘05/’06 R53 with JCW.</blockquote> <p>and the R56 is lighter. Witness GP.</p> A lot of you are stuck on this horsepower kick. You have to look at the possible low end benefit if any. The R56 already beats the R53 in this caregory. Now if we’re talking 200 H.P. with 192 Lb/ft. of torque arriving low in the rev range (1,600 to 1,700 RPM) you’ve got a monster on your hands. Remember an R53 (’05 and ‘06) achieved 207 H.P. (U.S.) but only achieved 180 Lb./ft. of torque at 4,500 RPM’s. Today’s R56 can almost match an ‘05/’06 JCW car without any upgrades. If you’re able to finally upgrade the R56 you wouldn’t have to do much in my opinion to beat out the ‘05/’06 R53 with JCW.

and the R56 is lighter. Witness GP.

]]> By: Kaelaria http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100467 Kaelaria Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:19:46 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100467 <p>MINI is pricing themselves out of the market. The R53 wasn't near worth it's price loaded up, let alone the R56. No way will people settle for a premium economy FWD car when they are in BMW/Porche/Mercedes/Infinity/etc. ranges.</p> <p>I enjoy my R53 with aftermarket goodies - but it'll be my one and only MINI, unfortunately.</p> MINI is pricing themselves out of the market. The R53 wasn’t near worth it’s price loaded up, let alone the R56. No way will people settle for a premium economy FWD car when they are in BMW/Porche/Mercedes/Infinity/etc. ranges.

I enjoy my R53 with aftermarket goodies – but it’ll be my one and only MINI, unfortunately.

]]> By: gz http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100452 gz Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:46:08 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100452 <p>Sorry if this has been covered but will stage two be a retro fit as well or just a factory model as originally stated?</p> Sorry if this has been covered but will stage two be a retro fit as well or just a factory model as originally stated?

]]> By: Bavarian Racing Green http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100441 Bavarian Racing Green Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:36:20 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100441 <p>...i for one like this idea very much...</p> <p>...the world should always focus on choices...</p> <p>...that being said, i agree that a very noticable distinction should be made between this 'Stage 1' upgrade and the full fledged JCW...</p> <p>...i own a stock MCS and I personally would love to have a JCW, however $6000 is a tough pill to swallow for prospective owners and at the same time a badge of enthusiasm for those who are owners...</p> <p>...enthusiasts need to be catered to, as they push innovation and excitement...</p> <p>...but common folk like myself need a carrot on a stick, cause it's them that buy the bulk of the cars...</p> <p>...this 'Stage 1' or 'Sound kit' for the MCS is appealing cause it makes the mini a 'little' special, one more thing to customize and one more box to check when ordering...</p> <p>...plus it might be a very welcome upgrade for the Clubman S, as it may lag a little with it's 18" ass-extension...</p> <p>...this rational, of course, is shot to shit if it costs more that $2000...</p> …i for one like this idea very much…

…the world should always focus on choices…

…that being said, i agree that a very noticable distinction should be made between this ‘Stage 1′ upgrade and the full fledged JCW…

…i own a stock MCS and I personally would love to have a JCW, however $6000 is a tough pill to swallow for prospective owners and at the same time a badge of enthusiasm for those who are owners…

…enthusiasts need to be catered to, as they push innovation and excitement…

…but common folk like myself need a carrot on a stick, cause it’s them that buy the bulk of the cars…

…this ‘Stage 1′ or ‘Sound kit’ for the MCS is appealing cause it makes the mini a ‘little’ special, one more thing to customize and one more box to check when ordering…

…plus it might be a very welcome upgrade for the Clubman S, as it may lag a little with it’s 18″ ass-extension…

…this rational, of course, is shot to shit if it costs more that $2000…

]]> By: Brian http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100427 Brian Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:00:51 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100427 <p>I vote for a JCW Turbo Diesel for the U.S.</p> I vote for a JCW Turbo Diesel for the U.S.

]]> By: Jon http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-100420 Jon Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:31:41 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/02/27/2008-jcw-stage-1-upgrade-revealed/#comment-100420 <p>As a current JCW driver and a person waiting for a "real" JCW R56 I can say it't not HP that determines my purchase. Rather the reason is that it heralds a very large force in Mini's history. With my R53 JCW any number of aftermarket tuners where able to make very comparible cars with simular if not better performance, but without the pedigree (imo). The fact is JCW's are about styling, performance and general fun not only the HP, but making a less powerfull JCW is a silly move. Still not in love with the idea of multiple JCW's running around with very different capability.</p> As a current JCW driver and a person waiting for a “real” JCW R56 I can say it’t not HP that determines my purchase. Rather the reason is that it heralds a very large force in Mini’s history. With my R53 JCW any number of aftermarket tuners where able to make very comparible cars with simular if not better performance, but without the pedigree (imo). The fact is JCW’s are about styling, performance and general fun not only the HP, but making a less powerfull JCW is a silly move. Still not in love with the idea of multiple JCW’s running around with very different capability.

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