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	<title>Comments on: MINI Clubman Debuts at the Oxford Plant</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/04/27/2008-mini-clubman-debuts-at-the-oxford-plant/comment-page-2/#comment-136685</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 04:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m waiting for the convertible Clubman. I need a small family car with cool written on it. The Mini has been the first decent small car I have ever driven. Most Americans have two cars, one is the utility SUV and the second car must be small, but still family capable. A convertible Clubman could fit the bill. Besides, it will tow nicely behind the motorhome.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting for the convertible Clubman. I need a small family car with cool written on it. The Mini has been the first decent small car I have ever driven. Most Americans have two cars, one is the utility SUV and the second car must be small, but still family capable. A convertible Clubman could fit the bill. Besides, it will tow nicely behind the motorhome.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;New MINI Clubman shoot in Manhattan tonight - according to GCZ...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New MINI Clubman shoot in Manhattan tonight &#8211; according to GCZ&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aussom</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/04/27/2008-mini-clubman-debuts-at-the-oxford-plant/comment-page-2/#comment-115611</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmmm. If &quot;Mini are purposely NOT aiming the Clubman at â€˜Small Familiesâ€™&quot; and possibly recommend purchasing another BMW for the family, I&#039;ll stick to my R53 Cooper S and the family&#039;s 4wd for the meantime. I suspect that the price will be at a premium and close to BMW&#039;s current model range, which are very high (BMWs typically attrract high luxury car tax charges) on the Australian market given the current range of 4wds available in Australia for the money.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My wife and I were interested in changing the 4wd over to the Clubman, but given MINIs indication above, now don&#039;t look like we will be selling the 4WD in a hurry for the near future until seeing what price the Clubman hits the streets at and whether its features and functionality justify the upgrade. Maybe existing familise with R50 &amp; R53 models will consider upgrading to the Clubman down the track given potential extra practicality / functionality on the current model range?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It will be interesting to see how aggresively BMW has set their sales targets and whether MINI Clubman will get them over the line in meeting it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. If &#8220;Mini are purposely NOT aiming the Clubman at â€˜Small Familiesâ€™&#8221; and possibly recommend purchasing another BMW for the family, I&#8217;ll stick to my R53 Cooper S and the family&#8217;s 4wd for the meantime. I suspect that the price will be at a premium and close to BMW&#8217;s current model range, which are very high (BMWs typically attrract high luxury car tax charges) on the Australian market given the current range of 4wds available in Australia for the money.</p>

<p>My wife and I were interested in changing the 4wd over to the Clubman, but given MINIs indication above, now don&#8217;t look like we will be selling the 4WD in a hurry for the near future until seeing what price the Clubman hits the streets at and whether its features and functionality justify the upgrade. Maybe existing familise with R50 &amp; R53 models will consider upgrading to the Clubman down the track given potential extra practicality / functionality on the current model range?</p>

<p>It will be interesting to see how aggresively BMW has set their sales targets and whether MINI Clubman will get them over the line in meeting it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chrissy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrissy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;MQuiN:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The A-pillars are on either side of the windshield attached to the glass at the front corners of the car.
The B-pillars are in between the driver and behind-the-driver passenger window where the seat belt attaches.
The C-pillars are at the back corners of the car.  In the MINI, they are hidden with the wrap around glass in the 02-06 models.  In 2007, the c-pillars are shiny black joining the rear passenger and boot windows.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MQuiN:</p>

<p>The A-pillars are on either side of the windshield attached to the glass at the front corners of the car.
The B-pillars are in between the driver and behind-the-driver passenger window where the seat belt attaches.
The C-pillars are at the back corners of the car.  In the MINI, they are hidden with the wrap around glass in the 02-06 models.  In 2007, the c-pillars are shiny black joining the rear passenger and boot windows.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/04/27/2008-mini-clubman-debuts-at-the-oxford-plant/comment-page-2/#comment-115288</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Read this on GermanCarZone - Seems Scott27 works for BMW Marketing in Munich, eyerything he confirms has come to truth so I guess we should listen...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Ohayo gozaimasu or Good morning...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s just after 7am in Tokyo just about to head for breakfast and then into the conference room where we plan our strategy for the MINI Clubman shoot in downtown Tokyo. We also have an night shoot tonight as we aim to capture the energy and vitality of the new addition to the MINI brand - The MINI Clubman.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I actually had a drive last night and for an extended MINI it is incredibly agile - The rear door and side door are works of art in quality , ease of use and the rear has surprisingly good legroom compared to the regular MINI (and with optional sliding- Roof) It is also very panoramic and rear passengers are less likely to have a panic attack than in the MINI hatch. - Would be MINI owners are going to make a bee-line for this car - It&#039;s the MINI made for non MINI owners.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why Japan? Besides the fantastic food and nightlife and interesting culture - Tokyo fits in with the metropolitian approach and the designation lifestyle of the MINI brand. I have loved Tokyo ever since I saw &quot;Akira&quot; 
The Clubman is extending the ideals of MINI as a lifestyle rather than just a product. We made that decision with the first MINI to approach MINI as a lifestyle rather than just a car which turned out to be very successful indeed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MINI is and will always be a &quot;young Brand&quot; even though it is a product Which appeals to all ages. The Clubman shoot is all about the energy MINI is all about. 
The campaign will be very visual with an urban feel with a thumping soundtrack and what better City to showcase this in than the neon fairground of Tokyo.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sayonara .&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read this on GermanCarZone &#8211; Seems Scott27 works for BMW Marketing in Munich, eyerything he confirms has come to truth so I guess we should listen&#8230;</p>

<p>&#8220;Ohayo gozaimasu or Good morning&#8230;</p>

<p>It&#8217;s just after 7am in Tokyo just about to head for breakfast and then into the conference room where we plan our strategy for the MINI Clubman shoot in downtown Tokyo. We also have an night shoot tonight as we aim to capture the energy and vitality of the new addition to the MINI brand &#8211; The MINI Clubman.</p>

<p>I actually had a drive last night and for an extended MINI it is incredibly agile &#8211; The rear door and side door are works of art in quality , ease of use and the rear has surprisingly good legroom compared to the regular MINI (and with optional sliding- Roof) It is also very panoramic and rear passengers are less likely to have a panic attack than in the MINI hatch. &#8211; Would be MINI owners are going to make a bee-line for this car &#8211; It&#8217;s the MINI made for non MINI owners.</p>

<p>Why Japan? Besides the fantastic food and nightlife and interesting culture &#8211; Tokyo fits in with the metropolitian approach and the designation lifestyle of the MINI brand. I have loved Tokyo ever since I saw &#8220;Akira&#8221; 
The Clubman is extending the ideals of MINI as a lifestyle rather than just a product. We made that decision with the first MINI to approach MINI as a lifestyle rather than just a car which turned out to be very successful indeed.</p>

<p>MINI is and will always be a &#8220;young Brand&#8221; even though it is a product Which appeals to all ages. The Clubman shoot is all about the energy MINI is all about. 
The campaign will be very visual with an urban feel with a thumping soundtrack and what better City to showcase this in than the neon fairground of Tokyo.</p>

<p>Sayonara .&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MNIGRL</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/04/27/2008-mini-clubman-debuts-at-the-oxford-plant/comment-page-2/#comment-115255</link>
		<dc:creator>MNIGRL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey GadgetGav ... Just to clarify in respect to your query about the colour coding of the C Pillar/Rear Tailgate of the R55 Clubman - For example should you order Hot Chocolate with a Silver Roof &amp;  Mirrors the Silver Would extend down the rear C pillar &amp; Tailgate. This is the global format for colour coding as I understand it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lets MINI&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey GadgetGav &#8230; Just to clarify in respect to your query about the colour coding of the C Pillar/Rear Tailgate of the R55 Clubman &#8211; For example should you order Hot Chocolate with a Silver Roof &amp;  Mirrors the Silver Would extend down the rear C pillar &amp; Tailgate. This is the global format for colour coding as I understand it.</p>

<p>Lets MINI</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/04/27/2008-mini-clubman-debuts-at-the-oxford-plant/comment-page-2/#comment-115254</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A C-pillar is the vertical member that supports the roof from the body and separates different sections of glass.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For example, the a pillar is between the side of the front windshield and the front driver&#039;s side (or pasenger&#039;s side) window, the b pillar between the front driver&#039;s side window and the rear driver&#039;s side window, and the c pillar between the rear driver&#039;s side window and the rear windshield.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Minis have b and c pillars that are relatively close, so by looking at an average sedan it may be easier to see those pillars.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;James....&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A C-pillar is the vertical member that supports the roof from the body and separates different sections of glass.</p>

<p>For example, the a pillar is between the side of the front windshield and the front driver&#8217;s side (or pasenger&#8217;s side) window, the b pillar between the front driver&#8217;s side window and the rear driver&#8217;s side window, and the c pillar between the rear driver&#8217;s side window and the rear windshield.</p>

<p>The Minis have b and c pillars that are relatively close, so by looking at an average sedan it may be easier to see those pillars.</p>

<p>James&#8230;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: &#187; MINI Clubman vai ser apresentado no SalÃ£o de Frankfurt em setembro- Carros, Noticias, Automovel, Lancamentos, Fotos, Novidades, Testes, Segredo</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/04/27/2008-mini-clubman-debuts-at-the-oxford-plant/comment-page-2/#comment-115251</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; MINI Clubman vai ser apresentado no SalÃ£o de Frankfurt em setembro- Carros, Noticias, Automovel, Lancamentos, Fotos, Novidades, Testes, Segredo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] [Fontes: Inside Line, MotoringFile] [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: MQuiN</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/04/27/2008-mini-clubman-debuts-at-the-oxford-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-115249</link>
		<dc:creator>MQuiN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What part is a C-pillar???&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What part is a C-pillar???</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: OH Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>OH Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;OH Steve,
At the top of the article, it says &quot;rear overhang 120mm longer&quot; - so total car length about 5â€³ more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure that is correct. The rear overhang (bumper to rear tire) is obviously a few inches longer. But total car length needs to account for the inches added between the axles. This looks to be at least 10-12 additional inches. I&#039;m looking for overall car length in comparison to the Cooper.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>OH Steve,
At the top of the article, it says &#8220;rear overhang 120mm longer&#8221; &#8211; so total car length about 5â€³ more.</blockquote>

<p>I&#8217;m not sure that is correct. The rear overhang (bumper to rear tire) is obviously a few inches longer. But total car length needs to account for the inches added between the axles. This looks to be at least 10-12 additional inches. I&#8217;m looking for overall car length in comparison to the Cooper.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dave Mac Mini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Mac Mini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rear overhang 120mm more plus wheelbase 80mm more gives a total length increase of 200 mm which is just under 8 inches.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am one of the over 55 crowd (with a 25 year old mentality I guess) and I am on my 3rd MINI. I have loved them all, but this new one (R56) is a vast improvement. I can hardy wait to get up to 2000 km so I can try the &quot;overboost&quot; function.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was also considering a Harley, (I have been riding for 35 years) but I settled on a BMW, so now I have two BMW products. I also manage a small radio station, which is all about marketing, so I find the comments about the target market for the Clubman interesting. My experience tells me that this car has a very wide appeal, and the clever marketing has helped, in my opinion. However, unlike the New Beetle, that made a big splash at first, the MINI appeal has not diminished, judging from the looks I get and the questions people ask. There is still a high degree of interest in the MINI, and the Clubman will just increase it. I know I am considering one for my wife, as she needs a bit more room to carry job related stuff.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rear overhang 120mm more plus wheelbase 80mm more gives a total length increase of 200 mm which is just under 8 inches.</p>

<p>I am one of the over 55 crowd (with a 25 year old mentality I guess) and I am on my 3rd MINI. I have loved them all, but this new one (R56) is a vast improvement. I can hardy wait to get up to 2000 km so I can try the &#8220;overboost&#8221; function.</p>

<p>I was also considering a Harley, (I have been riding for 35 years) but I settled on a BMW, so now I have two BMW products. I also manage a small radio station, which is all about marketing, so I find the comments about the target market for the Clubman interesting. My experience tells me that this car has a very wide appeal, and the clever marketing has helped, in my opinion. However, unlike the New Beetle, that made a big splash at first, the MINI appeal has not diminished, judging from the looks I get and the questions people ask. There is still a high degree of interest in the MINI, and the Clubman will just increase it. I know I am considering one for my wife, as she needs a bit more room to carry job related stuff.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ian C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Billy,
re your comment on pushing the rear seats back for more interior space - they also claim more boot/trunk space ...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OH Steve,
At the top of the article, it says &quot;rear overhang 120mm longer&quot; - so total car length about 5&quot; more.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy,
re your comment on pushing the rear seats back for more interior space &#8211; they also claim more boot/trunk space &#8230;</p>

<p>OH Steve,
At the top of the article, it says &#8220;rear overhang 120mm longer&#8221; &#8211; so total car length about 5&#8243; more.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: moe-jiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>moe-jiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am with Pete on his comment about BMW /Mini missing the over 55 folk. A large number of Mini owners in my area are gray beards. I my case the Mini is a viable gray beard alternative to a (HD) motorcycle, complete with a similar social structure and near unlimited accessory support.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Pete on his comment about BMW /Mini missing the over 55 folk. A large number of Mini owners in my area are gray beards. I my case the Mini is a viable gray beard alternative to a (HD) motorcycle, complete with a similar social structure and near unlimited accessory support.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After reading a few of these points, I have softened my position - I don&#039;t care how it is marketed if it meets my needs.  I think the Mini is a cool brand, so it makes sense to market it in a cool way (which doesn&#039;t necessarily include cheerios and diapers - fact of life, yes, but not too cool).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The million dollar question remains: how much seating in the rear?  I have heard three in some markets and two in others, which seems to be an odd choice.  I am truly hoping for three seats in the back (two for carseats plus one in the middle).  If I knew that the canadian model would carry three rear seats, I am confident that I&#039;d have a deposit ready - since that&#039;s cloudy, I have to wait.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hate waiting.  :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading a few of these points, I have softened my position &#8211; I don&#8217;t care how it is marketed if it meets my needs.  I think the Mini is a cool brand, so it makes sense to market it in a cool way (which doesn&#8217;t necessarily include cheerios and diapers &#8211; fact of life, yes, but not too cool).</p>

<p>The million dollar question remains: how much seating in the rear?  I have heard three in some markets and two in others, which seems to be an odd choice.  I am truly hoping for three seats in the back (two for carseats plus one in the middle).  If I knew that the canadian model would carry three rear seats, I am confident that I&#8217;d have a deposit ready &#8211; since that&#8217;s cloudy, I have to wait.</p>

<p>I hate waiting.  :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: OH Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>OH Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scanned the comments but couldn&#039;t find mention of the actual difference in length (bumper to bumper) of the clubman versus the R56. Has this measure been published?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scanned the comments but couldn&#8217;t find mention of the actual difference in length (bumper to bumper) of the clubman versus the R56. Has this measure been published?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ichor</title>
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		<dc:creator>ichor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;when&#039;s the panel-van coming... :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when&#8217;s the panel-van coming&#8230; :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel Salzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathaniel Salzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Regardless if you are hauling a child around in the back or not, it appears as though Mini is sticking to their marketing focus that these cars are fun to drive. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Exactly. Which is just what they should be doing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As far as demographics go, when targeting marketing you&#039;re choosing between basically three groups for your audience to relate to. It&#039;s either &quot;this is me&quot;, &quot;this is who/what I want&quot;, or &quot;this is who I want to be.&quot; For example, using some rugged-looking man as the spokesperson for a product doesn&#039;t mean that the ad only works on women, or only on men. The underlying idea is that men identify with the character in aspiration, and straight women identify in terms of attraction (and vice versa in the case of beautiful women in advertising). Sure, lots of marketing messaging is aimed at specific groups, and sadly, the majority of advertising today is aimed at 15-35 year old males, but they pick up other groups as marketing &quot;collateral damage&quot; if you will. Appeal to the gen-Y male and you&#039;ll pick up a lot of gen-Y females, younger kids who wish they were driving age, and older gen-X and baby boomers who wish - or even act like - they&#039;re still 25. You pick up many side groups without alienating your principle group that way. But it doesn&#039;t usually work in the other direction. There aren&#039;t any 25 year olds aspiring to be 54 so they can buy a Corvette.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All that means is that you&#039;ll sell more Clubmans - including to young families - by marketing to the canoe and Puma shoe crowd. Not the other way &#039;round. Push it as a minivan alternative and you&#039;ll lose both groups. Why? Because it&#039;s not a minivan. It always comes back to the product. The best ad campaign ever won&#039;t sell denture cream to the average gen-y guy because he doesn&#039;t need it and he doesn&#039;t want it. Likewise you&#039;ll sell Clubmans to folks looking for all the things people look for in the Coopers - fun, coolness, style, fun, performance, economy, fun, and fun - just with more space in the boot.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;NS in MN&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>Regardless if you are hauling a child around in the back or not, it appears as though Mini is sticking to their marketing focus that these cars are fun to drive. </blockquote>

<p>Exactly. Which is just what they should be doing.</p>

<p>As far as demographics go, when targeting marketing you&#8217;re choosing between basically three groups for your audience to relate to. It&#8217;s either &#8220;this is me&#8221;, &#8220;this is who/what I want&#8221;, or &#8220;this is who I want to be.&#8221; For example, using some rugged-looking man as the spokesperson for a product doesn&#8217;t mean that the ad only works on women, or only on men. The underlying idea is that men identify with the character in aspiration, and straight women identify in terms of attraction (and vice versa in the case of beautiful women in advertising). Sure, lots of marketing messaging is aimed at specific groups, and sadly, the majority of advertising today is aimed at 15-35 year old males, but they pick up other groups as marketing &#8220;collateral damage&#8221; if you will. Appeal to the gen-Y male and you&#8217;ll pick up a lot of gen-Y females, younger kids who wish they were driving age, and older gen-X and baby boomers who wish &#8211; or even act like &#8211; they&#8217;re still 25. You pick up many side groups without alienating your principle group that way. But it doesn&#8217;t usually work in the other direction. There aren&#8217;t any 25 year olds aspiring to be 54 so they can buy a Corvette.</p>

<p>All that means is that you&#8217;ll sell more Clubmans &#8211; including to young families &#8211; by marketing to the canoe and Puma shoe crowd. Not the other way &#8217;round. Push it as a minivan alternative and you&#8217;ll lose both groups. Why? Because it&#8217;s not a minivan. It always comes back to the product. The best ad campaign ever won&#8217;t sell denture cream to the average gen-y guy because he doesn&#8217;t need it and he doesn&#8217;t want it. Likewise you&#8217;ll sell Clubmans to folks looking for all the things people look for in the Coopers &#8211; fun, coolness, style, fun, performance, economy, fun, and fun &#8211; just with more space in the boot.</p>

<p>NS in MN</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: gokartride</title>
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		<dc:creator>gokartride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unless my creative visualization skills fail me, those Clubman colors sound pretty cool!!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless my creative visualization skills fail me, those Clubman colors sound pretty cool!!!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One marketing opportunity area MINI seems to be overlooking, perhaps intentionally, is the over-55 group.  With rising gas prices, shrinking families (becoming &quot;empty-nesters&quot;) the Clubman could become the new &quot;in&quot; car for retirees.  Not their objective I&#039;m sure but there is a huge and growing market out there, MINI!  They probably figure they won&#039;t be around long enough to buy another BMW...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One marketing opportunity area MINI seems to be overlooking, perhaps intentionally, is the over-55 group.  With rising gas prices, shrinking families (becoming &#8220;empty-nesters&#8221;) the Clubman could become the new &#8220;in&#8221; car for retirees.  Not their objective I&#8217;m sure but there is a huge and growing market out there, MINI!  They probably figure they won&#8217;t be around long enough to buy another BMW&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: e_flat_d</title>
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		<dc:creator>e_flat_d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I took delivery of my 2006 R50 in January of &#039;07, and I&#039;m truly loving it. I think that when it comes time for a new vehicle (which should be a while yet) the Clubman is going to be it!  I spend three or four months working in Prince Edward Island each summer, and the Clubman will give me that much more room to haul my gear there from my home in Toronto. Already envisioning those great looking lounge leather seats - I hope they&#039;ll be offered!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took delivery of my 2006 R50 in January of &#8216;07, and I&#8217;m truly loving it. I think that when it comes time for a new vehicle (which should be a while yet) the Clubman is going to be it!  I spend three or four months working in Prince Edward Island each summer, and the Clubman will give me that much more room to haul my gear there from my home in Toronto. Already envisioning those great looking lounge leather seats &#8211; I hope they&#8217;ll be offered!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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