Comments on: R56 JCW Suspension Details & Install PDF http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: R56 JCW CONFUSED http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-139094 R56 JCW CONFUSED Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:13:22 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-139094 <p>Thanks for that. I've opted for the whole JCW braking kit anyway. I've also specified the JCW suspension kit but here in Australia they are claiming limited availability-do you have any idea on what the world wide availabilty is on JCW parts for the R56? They can quote me prices and I've ordered with this but I'm now concerned about JCW parts availability. Is there a universal (not just North America) JCW parts list/part numbers .pdf anywhere out there?</p> Thanks for that. I’ve opted for the whole JCW braking kit anyway. I’ve also specified the JCW suspension kit but here in Australia they are claiming limited availability-do you have any idea on what the world wide availabilty is on JCW parts for the R56? They can quote me prices and I’ve ordered with this but I’m now concerned about JCW parts availability. Is there a universal (not just North America) JCW parts list/part numbers .pdf anywhere out there?

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-137154 Gabe Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:21:28 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-137154 <p>All R56 Cooper S' basically have the JCW brakes. They are identical in every way but color. The only thing that they don't have is the cross-drilled rotors that are being sold under the JCW brand. However those would have limited benefits unless you are using your car for track purposes regularly.</p> <p>If you have to have the red calipers, the JCW brakes that fit the previous car fit the R56 as well.</p> All R56 Cooper S’ basically have the JCW brakes. They are identical in every way but color. The only thing that they don’t have is the cross-drilled rotors that are being sold under the JCW brand. However those would have limited benefits unless you are using your car for track purposes regularly.

If you have to have the red calipers, the JCW brakes that fit the previous car fit the R56 as well.

]]> By: R56 JCW CONFUSED http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-137116 R56 JCW CONFUSED Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:39:47 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-137116 <p>Gabe, is there a price on the JCW brakes?</p> Gabe, is there a price on the JCW brakes?

]]> By: karlInSanDiego http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-128463 karlInSanDiego Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:55:25 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-128463 <p>"The sways are slightly larger then sports (24mm fronts/18.5 rear; over 23.5mm front 18mm from what i read). the springs (# 31 31 6 782 720/719;333 52 6 772 740/741) are listed a J.Cooper Works as well as the FRONT dampers (31 30 6 782 767), Rear dampers of that kit are not listed at J cooper works and have part number 33 53 6 772 740)" Victor, According to parts list at RealOEM, 33536772740 is a part of a stock rear shock install http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=MF73&mospid=50031&btnr=33_1357&hg=33&fg=45</p> “The sways are slightly larger then sports (24mm fronts/18.5 rear; over 23.5mm front 18mm from what i read). the springs (# 31 31 6 782 720/719;333 52 6 772 740/741) are listed a J.Cooper Works as well as the FRONT dampers (31 30 6 782 767), Rear dampers of that kit are not listed at J cooper works and have part number 33 53 6 772 740)” Victor, According to parts list at RealOEM, 33536772740 is a part of a stock rear shock install http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=MF73&mospid=50031&btnr=33_1357&hg=33&fg=45

]]> By: Victor http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-127912 Victor Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:19:46 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-127912 <p>Just to post about the JCW suspension, i went to my Local canada dealer and investigated the part number posted 33 50 0 429 708 on the JCW Suspension installation.</p> <p>The part are listed as (USDirectBMW) "Retrotfit Kit Sports Suspension/J. Cooper Works" COST: 1200 CND</p> <p>The sways are slightly larger then sports (24mm fronts/18.5 rear; over 23.5mm front 18mm from what i read). the springs (# 31 31 6 782 720/719;333 52 6 772 740/741) are listed a J.Cooper Works as well as the FRONT dampers (31 30 6 782 767), Rear dampers of that kit are not listed at J cooper works and have part number 33 53 6 772 740)</p> <p>So over the already offered sports suspension on the cooper this only seems to have JCW springs and fronts dampers. Would be nice to see the part numbers on the stock factory option sports suspension to see the difference.</p> Just to post about the JCW suspension, i went to my Local canada dealer and investigated the part number posted 33 50 0 429 708 on the JCW Suspension installation.

The part are listed as (USDirectBMW) “Retrotfit Kit Sports Suspension/J. Cooper Works” COST: 1200 CND

The sways are slightly larger then sports (24mm fronts/18.5 rear; over 23.5mm front 18mm from what i read). the springs (# 31 31 6 782 720/719;333 52 6 772 740/741) are listed a J.Cooper Works as well as the FRONT dampers (31 30 6 782 767), Rear dampers of that kit are not listed at J cooper works and have part number 33 53 6 772 740)

So over the already offered sports suspension on the cooper this only seems to have JCW springs and fronts dampers. Would be nice to see the part numbers on the stock factory option sports suspension to see the difference.

]]> By: msh441 http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-126766 msh441 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:11:14 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-126766 <p>I'm starting to get it.</p> <p>Since your not planning on lowering the car... AND if you were able to save on install or negotiate it away... your really only $300-400 over SS with H&R's. If it works as most JCW stuff, it'll probably be excellent.</p> <p>I'm anxious to see and hear about the results.</p> I’m starting to get it.

Since your not planning on lowering the car… AND if you were able to save on install or negotiate it away… your really only $300-400 over SS with H&R’s. If it works as most JCW stuff, it’ll probably be excellent.

I’m anxious to see and hear about the results.

]]> By: gz http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-126459 gz Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:58:03 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-126459 <p>Looking forward to your analysis Gabe. You obviously feel the expence is worth it. $1375 + labor vs $500.</p> Looking forward to your analysis Gabe. You obviously feel the expence is worth it. $1375 + labor vs $500.

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-126370 Gabe Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:53:38 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-126370 <blockquote> <p>And the instructions say 4 hours of installation plus 2 hours (!) of alignment/adjustment.</p> </blockquote> <p>The two hours are for potential trouble shooting - and that's the maximum allowed. It's unlikely they would be used.</p> <blockquote> <p>Sports Suspension at $500 installed seems like a pretty good "compromise".</p> </blockquote> <p>It's a great compromise.</p>

And the instructions say 4 hours of installation plus 2 hours (!) of alignment/adjustment.

The two hours are for potential trouble shooting – and that’s the maximum allowed. It’s unlikely they would be used.

Sports Suspension at $500 installed seems like a pretty good “compromise”.

It’s a great compromise.

]]> By: rkw http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-126364 rkw Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:50:34 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-126364 <blockquote>So that’s $1375 for the kit PLUS install? Ouch!</blockquote> <p>And the instructions say 4 hours of installation plus 2 hours (!) of alignment/adjustment. Sports Suspension at $500 installed seems like a pretty good "compromise".</p> So that’s $1375 for the kit PLUS install? Ouch!

And the instructions say 4 hours of installation plus 2 hours (!) of alignment/adjustment. Sports Suspension at $500 installed seems like a pretty good “compromise”.

]]> By: marcel http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-126067 marcel Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:25:22 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-126067 <p>I tend to agree, and 0.4" shouldn't be called a "drop"... my car probably "drops" 0.4" when my fat arse gets in it...</p> <blockquote>Given the price premium for the parts only and installation cost/effort if there isn’t a meaningful difference in spring rate or shock valving it seems silly to plop down hundreds of dollars for a 0.4 inch drop. Of course, this is all IMHO :)</blockquote> I tend to agree, and 0.4″ shouldn’t be called a “drop”… my car probably “drops” 0.4″ when my fat arse gets in it…

Given the price premium for the parts only and installation cost/effort if there isn’t a meaningful difference in spring rate or shock valving it seems silly to plop down hundreds of dollars for a 0.4 inch drop. Of course, this is all IMHO :)
]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-125622 Gabe Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:09:12 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-125622 <blockquote> <p>Given the price premium for the parts only and installation cost/effort if there isn’t a meaningful difference in spring rate or shock valving it seems silly to plop down hundreds of dollars for a 0.4 inch drop. Of course, this is all IMHO :)</p> </blockquote> <p>Not if you don't want to drop the car any more than 1cm. My car simply wouldn't last in Chicago if it was any lower. My '05 (w/stock suspension) bottoms out in places as it is.</p> <p>For me it's less about asethetics and more about performance coupled with livability. Based on the previous suspension kit, this clearly seems like the right choice given those parameters.</p>

Given the price premium for the parts only and installation cost/effort if there isn’t a meaningful difference in spring rate or shock valving it seems silly to plop down hundreds of dollars for a 0.4 inch drop. Of course, this is all IMHO :)

Not if you don’t want to drop the car any more than 1cm. My car simply wouldn’t last in Chicago if it was any lower. My ’05 (w/stock suspension) bottoms out in places as it is.

For me it’s less about asethetics and more about performance coupled with livability. Based on the previous suspension kit, this clearly seems like the right choice given those parameters.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-125620 Jeff Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:05:10 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-125620 <p>This is all interesting, but what are the differences in spring rates and shock valving vs the sport suspension?!? Given the price premium for the parts only and installation cost/effort if there isn't a meaningful difference in spring rate or shock valving it seems silly to plop down hundreds of dollars for a 0.4 inch drop. Of course, this is all IMHO :)</p> This is all interesting, but what are the differences in spring rates and shock valving vs the sport suspension?!? Given the price premium for the parts only and installation cost/effort if there isn’t a meaningful difference in spring rate or shock valving it seems silly to plop down hundreds of dollars for a 0.4 inch drop. Of course, this is all IMHO :)

]]> By: msh441 http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-125600 msh441 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:23:25 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-125600 <p>Sport Suspension is great, but it retains the standard ride height. If you're planning on a lower MINI and go for some H&R's... you're talking in the ballpark of $500 installed.</p> <p>The JCW sounds like a slight drop, at least. 1 CM? A little less than a 1/2 inch? Maybe not enough IMO for the high-riding R56, though. Have to see it on the car to appreciate it, I'm guess.</p> <p>Another $200-300 for a stiffer front bar and the rights to a JCW badge on your car? Hmmm, maybe I see where you're coming from on this one, Gabe... way to be a trailblazer!</p> Sport Suspension is great, but it retains the standard ride height. If you’re planning on a lower MINI and go for some H&R’s… you’re talking in the ballpark of $500 installed.

The JCW sounds like a slight drop, at least. 1 CM? A little less than a 1/2 inch? Maybe not enough IMO for the high-riding R56, though. Have to see it on the car to appreciate it, I’m guess.

Another $200-300 for a stiffer front bar and the rights to a JCW badge on your car? Hmmm, maybe I see where you’re coming from on this one, Gabe… way to be a trailblazer!

]]> By: gz http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-125359 gz Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:25:09 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-125359 <p>Any guess on a JCW brake upgrade that isn't just for show?</p> Any guess on a JCW brake upgrade that isn’t just for show?

]]> By: Greg http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-125160 Greg Thu, 31 May 2007 21:41:09 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-125160 <p>So that's $1375 for the kit PLUS install? Ouch! Oh well, I'll still get it. Not clear on how it is an($875) improvement over the SS. SS has 18" rear sway. What is JCW? How much more is the car lowered with JCW vs SS? I was impressed with the SS and need to know how much of an upgrade JCW will be.</p> So that’s $1375 for the kit PLUS install? Ouch! Oh well, I’ll still get it. Not clear on how it is an($875) improvement over the SS. SS has 18″ rear sway. What is JCW? How much more is the car lowered with JCW vs SS? I was impressed with the SS and need to know how much of an upgrade JCW will be.

]]> By: MiniMaxiMini http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-125128 MiniMaxiMini Thu, 31 May 2007 18:38:36 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-125128 <p>Actually, it is ... not so much. And the announcement came (for me) at perfect timing.</p> <p>I was planning to buy the Alta Sway bar and the front and back endlinks. The price is 190+130+130$ = 450$.</p> <p>Hmm... this seems much more comprehensive, and if it is only 875$ - I think it might be a better option...</p> Actually, it is … not so much. And the announcement came (for me) at perfect timing.

I was planning to buy the Alta Sway bar and the front and back endlinks. The price is 190+130+130$ = 450$.

Hmm… this seems much more comprehensive, and if it is only 875$ – I think it might be a better option…

]]> By: gwalsh http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-125094 gwalsh Thu, 31 May 2007 16:11:50 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-125094 <p>The kit retails for $875.00, the springs are sold separately and must be ordered depending on vehicle equipment. The springs are $125.00 each.</p> The kit retails for $875.00, the springs are sold separately and must be ordered depending on vehicle equipment. The springs are $125.00 each.

]]> By: Gabe http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-125075 Gabe Thu, 31 May 2007 15:19:54 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-125075 <blockquote> <p>this is the wrong pdf its not for the r56</p> </blockquote> <p>UPDATED</p> <blockquote> <p>So, just to be clear, when speccing the replacement for my ‘04 MCS, I shouldn’t select the factory sports suspension if I intend to get the JCW suspension? It completely replaces that?</p> </blockquote> <p>Yes - that's what I've done on my new MCS.</p> <blockquote> <p>Also, how does it affect ride height?</p> </blockquote> <p>1cm drop - I've updated the post to reflect that info.</p>

this is the wrong pdf its not for the r56

UPDATED

So, just to be clear, when speccing the replacement for my ‘04 MCS, I shouldn’t select the factory sports suspension if I intend to get the JCW suspension? It completely replaces that?

Yes – that’s what I’ve done on my new MCS.

Also, how does it affect ride height?

1cm drop – I’ve updated the post to reflect that info.

]]> By: john m http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-125074 john m Thu, 31 May 2007 15:11:43 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-125074 <p>this is the wrong pdf its not for the r56</p> this is the wrong pdf its not for the r56

]]> By: bluzeke http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/comment-page-1/#comment-125069 bluzeke Thu, 31 May 2007 14:49:36 +0000 http://motoringfile.com/2007/05/31/r56-jcw-suspension-details-install-pdf/#comment-125069 <p>. . . check that: R56 JCW Suspension PDF - NOT?!</p> . . . check that: R56 JCW Suspension PDF – NOT?!

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