MF Exclusive: Factory JCW MINI In Detail

MF Exclusive: A few months ago we broke the news on a few of the upgrades expected on the new factory John Cooper Works MINI and some of the general performance figures. And while official details won’t be released until the Geneva Motor Show this March, today we’re going to reveal the full specifications on this (as MINI will market it) entirely new model. As some of you may have guessed, our previous report touched on just a few of the upgrades expected. Here’s a full list of upgrades to expect on the new factory JCW MINI Cooper S:

  • Upgraded/Optimized Turbo
  • Upgraded/Optimized Pistons
  • Upgraded Air Intake (same as dealer installed kit)
  • Revised 6 speed Manual Transmission
  • Upgraded Clutch
  • Four Piston Front Brakes / Upgraded rear pads
  • Upgraded Full Cat-back JCW Exhaust
  • Fully Optimized ECU
  • JCW Logos and door sills
  • JCW “Challenge Spoke” light weight alloy wheels (seen in the photo above)
  • 260 km/h speedometer limit (as opposed to the normal speedometer on the Cooper S with a limit of 240 km/h)

Now let’s talk details and how MINI will be getting 210bhp to 220bhp out of an already well optimized engine.

As we reported, one of the biggest upgrades to the car will be the use of a larger and more optimized turbo. The stock component is made just large enough for the current application so a new version was a must if MINI wanted to get more power out of the engine than the current dealer installed JCW kit.

But here’s where things start to get interesting. Also included in this new JCW kit will be a set of new pistons. This will help the engine rev quicker and create an even smother power delivery. We’re told the pistons are probably the most important change under the hood made with the factory JCW kit.

Helping to give the engine life will be a revised air intake that we believe will be the same or very similar to the one found in the “Stage I” or dealer installed JCW kit.

Elsewhere MINI will be using an upgraded full cat-back exhaust – different than the one used in the “Stage I’ kit. The exhaust should allow better flow and even more aggressive sound than the dealer kit.

Finally MINI will be updating the ECU to fully utilize these new components to the maximum potential.

All this adds up to some serious power. 210bhp to 220bhp is the unofficial range given however we believe that the final output will be on the high-side of that number. However don’t confuse the official number with the final number. We expect the official figure to be relatively conservative and right around the GP’s power output. Torque figures will most likely be just over 200ft lbs – not far off the dealer JCW kit currently offered. We’ve seen the 206ft lbs number from several sources.

As you can imagine all this power could conceivably tax the stock drivetrain. So MINI will be including a revised (and much more robust) clutch with the factory JCW car. Of course this verifies something we reported a few months back – the factory JCW MINI will not be available with an automatic.

Helping bring the car to a stop will be a new JCW brake kit with four piston front brakes (the current MINI makes due with one mind you) and much larger rotors and pads than the stock MCS.

All pretty impressive. But there’s one more thing. Coming standard with the new factory JCW MINI will be a new six speed manual transmission. This new unit will feature shorter throws, improved feel and (most importantly) be able to cope with the extra power and torque that the factory JCW car will put out. According to sources the current Getrag unit is only designed to handle power in the range of the dealer installed kit. So if BMW wanted to reach it’s normal longevity targets a new transmission and upgraded clutch was in order.

MINI plans to keep things rather low-key on the exterior of the new JCW MINI. We’ve verified the presence of the new JCW logos both on the car and on the front brake calipers (which are actually designed to look like he JCW logo). Wrapped around those calipers will be new JCW Challenge Spoke wheels that, we are told, will be the lightest factory wheel MINI has offered to date. Reportedly they’ll be identical to those seen on the JCW Challenge race car.

MINI plans to keep things rather low-key on the exterior of the new JCW MINI. We’ve verified the presence of the new JCW logos both on the car and on the front brake calipers. Wrapped around those calipers will be new JCW wheels which will be identical to those seen on the JCW Challenge race car.

Unlike the previous JCW products, MINI wants to treat these new factory JCW cars as different products and will market them as such. You can expect lots of language in the upcoming press releases that tout these car’s racing pedigree and similarity to the newly released JCW Challenge cars.

The factory JCW MINI will debut at the Geneva Motorshow this March with production and sales starting this June worldwide. The factory JCW option will be available on the Coupe, Clubman, and eventually the R57 MINI Convertible expected to debut in March of 2009.

Look for official information and European pricing in late February or early March. However don’t be surprised if final costs are a little higher than the previous factory JCW kit as this will be marketed as a separate model and a very special car.

We’d like to thank several sources that made this report possible.

  • http://www.ausringers.com Liam

    All sounds very tantalising. Thanks for the info!

    Any idea on pricing?

  • DHA

    Can’t wait for mine to arrive :)

    Thanks for the info

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  • coobah

    Thanks for the update. Sounds GREAT!! However, no rear diffuser or front splitter? I thought that was going to be on the 09 JCW?

  • rhawth99

    Wow, sounds like some serious upgrades. So this will run $6K to $6.5K above the cost of an R56?

  • http://www.dickdavid.com dickdavid

    WOW!

  • Drill

    I’d guess more around the $7k mark.

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  • Ben-Ja-Min

    Does this: 260 km/h speedometer limit (as opposed to the normal speedometer on the Cooper S with a limit of 240 km/h) Mean that the speed written on the speedo has increase on that the top speed is electronically limited to these new figures?

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  • http://blog.kurtcollins.com Krut

    Lots of goodness there! I wonder if they’ll also upgrade steering wheel and shifter to the JCW components?

  • http://calabashcattery.com pbraun

    Very HOT! I guess I will have to pedal faster in my GP! But, the few subtle mods I’ve made will help out with that! 😉

    • ji,m

      what does GP mean?

  • Darren

    Sounds promising…

    I assume no revisions to exterior styling, any of the JCW interior goodies or JCW suspension?

  • Lee L

    Nice, If this is still at or just below the cost of the old R53 kit as past posts have indicated, it actually seems worth it to me.

  • Nathaniel Salzman

    Lust.

  • Diam

    So Gabe, given the upgrades you mentioned, are you going to sell your JCW (Stage I) to move the factory JCW?

    I think it all sounds great but it is way too expensive

  • eager2own

    Any rumors on whether we’ll be able to purchase these wheels for non-JCW cars (like with the current ones)?

  • cct1

    Be interesting to see how this is priced. Would have liked to have seen the suspension and rear diffuser included as well–I’m still not sure this is a huge upgrade over the stage I. It’ll be interesting to see a comparison of the two on the track.

    When I see the output numbers, especially in comparison to the Stage I, I wonder if the MINI has kind of hit its maximum performance in it current configuration–you probably can’t get too much more torque on this car and still have it be controllable.

    Does anyone have any info on the wheel weight? Will the JCW aerokit/rear wing be included? Doesn’t appear to be. And although the brakes are looking fantastic on paper, is there any way to get air to them? I was hoping for air ducts to go along with the brakes, but I see fog lights on the picture.

  • BSUCardinalfan

    Wow….I want one. When does this get released?

    I need to start saving…..

  • c4

    Very nice spec. This should be one of the best factory R56 MINIs to come out.

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  • Jon

    Very nice, Mini has a crafted a nice toy here. Double thumbs up!

    It does confirm the topic that has been raised in the Woofcast and on the Motoringfile several times too. Many times there were questions about how they would deal with higher power and greater torque so seeing the upgraded clutch and transmission is a really good step.

    The only thing I think they might have missed is the styling aspect. BMW/Mini have chosen to move the JCW into being a sub-brand (something I support) this is very similar with the M Division at BMW. I have to say though try to imagine a M car that not only stands out from its sibling with its performance, but also uses styling clues to separate the sub-brand visually. I personally think new badging and logo’s on the front brakes will help, I personally think that visual styling is a part of the equation.

    All in all, good job JCW and Mini on this turn of events.

  • greg

    not too shabby. Will be interesting to see what happens on the mid cycle refresh. How will the speedo change for MPH?

  • robble

    torque only 200lbs?

    my r56 dynoed 237 lbs at the wheels with $1700 in mods (203hp atw)

    why are they so reserved?

  • Brian

    The factory JCW option will be available on the Coupe, Clubman, and eventually the R57 MINI Convertible expected to debut in March of 2009.

    So will the Factory JCW be available from the first R57’s. I want to know as I am ordering as soon as I can, but I want this JCW kit too.

  • eager2own
    Will the JCW aerokit/rear wing be included? Doesn’t appear to be.

    Not according to prior reports.

  • nervous

    [drool]

  • nuvolari

    Gabe, will getting factory JCW require any other options packages, as it did on the R53? The addition of the dubiously named “Sport” package took the effective price of the JCW factory option to nearly $8k, which was just silly on top of a $21k car, imo.

  • Preston

    my r56 dynoed 237 lbs at the wheels with $1700 in mods (203hp atw)

    What modifications do you have?

  • jimskater

    Nuvolari,

    I can see where the “required” options would be the Sports Package/suspension & the LSD.

    Any word on the LSD, Gabe? Or about torque steer problems. With that much HP/Torque on tap, I’d imagine that might be a concern.

  • Mark R

    Can’t wait! Must…get…a…second…job…now!

  • hank chinaski

    great news, guys!

    regarding the exhaust sound: think we’ll get the proper burble-pop, back?

    & maybe black bezel xenons?

    cheers.

  • cct1

    LSD is included in the package…It pretty much has to be.

  • lavardera

    I wonder if they will be the same size wheels, or just same style. I thought the racer was on 17s, and aren’t the other JCW wheels all 18?

  • dc11

    So what model year is the refresh again? I dont want to buy this JCW if its going to look different and hopefully with an improved interior the following year….

  • john

    Will it have the diesel noise when cold

  • Mac
    Does this: 260 km/h speedometer limit (as opposed to the normal speedometer on the Cooper S with a limit of 240 km/h) Mean that the speed written on the speedo has increase on that the top speed is electronically limited to these new figures?

    nope!

  • Wolfgang

    It was previously reported that the new JCW wheels would be 18s.
    Are these 17s like on the challenge car or did they take the challenge style and make it an 18?

  • GrFa

    I still think they are missing the mark in regards to JCW becoming an internal brand like BMW M. Take a look at the e92 M3. It commands a 30% premium over the e92 335i coupe.

    A 30% premium over a standard Cooper S ($21k) is approximately $6.3k or $27.3k total. For that much I would expect the same upgrades that an M gets including an aero kit/bodystyling (the “normal” JCW kit would be sufficient), unique steering wheel/seats, upgraded gauges, upgraded engine, exhaust, wheels, suspension, and badging.

    According to this brief, there are NO body or interior modifications besides a higher limit on the speedometer. Also, I don’t see any specific suspension upgrades. Something like upgraded brakes/transmission/clutch are to be expected in a factory performance car.

    Keep in mind, the individual cost for these components is not that much greater than the standard components they replace. To replace the standard wheel and shift knob with the JCW wheel and shift knob is a relatively minor cost. The same goes for the aero kit, suspension, seats, brakes etc. For the amount of cars they could sell they could easily overcome the R&D costs. How does BMW M do it when they sell only 20,000 examples in a production run? I see the market for a factory performance MINI to be MUCH larger than that.

    I really hope there are some missing details in regards to the upcoming factory JCW car.

  • nuvolari

    So the factory JCW kit will not include any suspension or steering upgrades?

  • Revhed

    Fantastic news – I can see this being an expensive year for me!

    …and the suspension?

    Also I gather those Challenge Spokes are 18″?

  • Jon

    I don’t think for a first car from the JCW group this is a bad evolution at all. I concure that I would have liked to see a bit more I have hope that 09 will bring another slightly more complete solution.

    For me I would like to see:

    The current Factory build A suspension upgrade A slight tweak of the interior, Recaro’s A JCW factory specific aero kit A specific color option

    Basically just more a M division type of a solution

  • Doug

    Torque steer?

  • A.
    Does this: 260 km/h speedometer limit (as opposed to the normal speedometer on the Cooper S with a limit of 240 km/h) Mean that the speed written on the speedo has increase on that the top speed is electronically limited to these new figures?

    nope, it isnt!

    Or about torque steer problems. With that much HP/Torque on tap, I’d imagine that might be a concern.

    it is a problem (torque steer) with the stage1 kit already and it is a massive problem with the factory works!

  • Aaron

    Wow! Sounds pretty awesome! Like others have mentioned, I’m wondering if the JCW suspension is still going to need to be added as an additional option.

    This will be one heck of a MINI! For those comparing what is promised here (and the expected percentage price increase) to what the M-series cars deliver (and their percentage price increase), keep in mind how much lower the base MSRP is on a MCS vs. a 3-series. I’d expect that if you want more specific exterior and interior styling changes, the jump in price for a MCS JCW would have to be substantially greater than people are estimating it will be. Would people be willing to pay 8-10K for a JCW package that included more major changes to interior styling like the M series has?

  • dc11

    I bet JCW falls under the same faults as what the japanese mfgs do (STI, MUGEN, NISMO). BMW Germany owns JCW, and BMW Germany owns BMW NA, which has licensing rights to Mini USA, which uses the JCW name. Also, I’m sure BMW NA also claimed sole rights for the JCW name in North America

    As an entity, they are all under one roof. But when it comes to the accounting, they are all separate entities.

    Therefore, everyone associated with the JCW name will have to pay licensing fees accordingly because everyone wants a piece of the pie. Mini will have to pay BMW NA a fee per JCW branded item, and BMW NA will have to pay BMW Germany fees as well.

    So your JCW shift knob that cost about 20 bucks to make, should have MSRP’d at about $60. But since everyone wants a piece of the pie, it would raise that item to about $100 at the end of the day.

  • fdavid

    If JCW can only become half as good as Mugen parts are for Honda…oh my sign me in!!!

  • cze33r

    Thanks again Gabe, this is great news !!!

  • Evan

    I’ll really be able to a fully factory JCW Clubman! That is some news that requires more intense planning.

    I’m surprised that there are no suspension upgrades. You’d think that the sports suspension would at least be made standard. Same goes for the sharp JCW aero package available at the dealers.

    The price will be pretty steep though. My optioned Clubman S is already ~$29k, another $6k puts me in the $35k range which is unfortunately the base price of the 135i and not far from the more powerful 3er (335i). You also start noticing the Mitsu Evolution at this price point- its downmarket interior duely noted.

    I wonder how sustainable this will be at this price? I do want JCW to succeed.

  • robble

    Preston – intake,intercooler, and unichip with the chip producing most of the power.

    MINI could easily make this car much stronger. I guess they have to deal with warranty issues though.

    I doubt torque steer is going to be much worse than a regular JCW. Even in my MINI torque steer is managable although present even in third gear. If you don’t want torque steer get a regular cooper.

    I also expect most of the extra power available to this JCW is going to be in the top end. The stock turbo runs out of air around 5500 rpm which is why the r56 dynos low HP. The bigger turbo on this should push more air up higher in the rpms but you may lose some low end grunt too.

    I wonder if they’ll make any changes to the intercooler, and if the clutch could be put into a regular cooper s. Also curious what the boost curve looks like.

  • rattmobbins

    Damn, I want those wheels! Probably gonna run $4000 a set though. LOL!

  • MINIme

    I guess I have to be the one to do this…

    I sure hope we get this power in the R60! But, with a beefed up Automatic Tranny and F&R LSD.

    I think MINI is just using the R56 as a platform to develop enough power to move all that extra weight… 😉

  • Jon

    Take no offense Minime to quote “I just threw up in my mouth”

    ” I sure hope we get this power in the R60! But, with a beefed up Automatic Tranny and F&R LSD”

    😉

  • Dunphyj

    ok… im slightly confused, this is all factory stuff… but is it possible to get the factory components on a currently R56 (aka the one i own)??? for instance… i want the most out of my mini… and i want to stay as factory oriented as possible… can i get those parts on my mini????

  • Jon

    Dunphyj sorry to say that the factory components are not going to be able to be added to a current R56. The Factory JCW is not a kit but rather a different build. As a owner of a current R56 though you could go after the very excellent Dealer JCW kit. I fully expect that they will treat parts for the Factory car to be similar with how they treat the parts for the GP.

  • gokartride

    I’m glad my MINI is a commuter car, a task for which the Cooper is amply equipped. Otherwise this temptation would be unbearable!!!

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  • Brendan

    I challenge anyone to get traction with this thing with a wide open throttle. I can barely get traction with my stock R56 not to mention the massive torque steer. I’m guessing they’ll need to have much wider tires. I hope? This car I’m sure will be fun, but probably hard to drive fast and smooth.

  • Mac
    I’m guessing they’ll need to have much wider tires. I hope?

    the stock tire will be a standard runflat tire, so nothin special there…

  • Dylan

    Thanks for posting this info – yay! I’ve put an email into my dealer – buying this car is definitely on the cards for me! I agree with many comments here that it would have been nice if the upgrades were also cosmetic. I’ve always loved the M cars how they have the different body kit, mirrors, grills, badges etc. It’s a nice touch and a shame BMW didn’t do the same for the MINI!

  • Steve

    The most enticing reason to get an R56 yet.

  • Jan Wojcik

    Is the JCW Mini coming to the US, or will it be a Euro-only model?

  • Victor

    A lighter fly wheel would be a good idea too. and a 4.0 Final drive.

  • Greg

    Including the very nice wheels as well as the LSD and brakes not to mention the short shifter and clutch actually make this the first JCW kit of any year I would consider a bargain. The JCW 18″ wheels on my stage one JCW(for sale folks) were $3000 by themselves.

    I wonder why the recaros aren’t available here. I don’t buy the airbag excuse as you can get them(or a reasonable copy) in the Honda Civic SI.

    That’s a car I would never buy, but a nice value.

  • Jon

    JanWojcik from the info Gabe has given us above.

    “The factory JCW MINI will debut at the Geneva Motorshow this March with production and sales starting this June worldwide.”

  • Chris

    Looks nice, but without body kits, suspension, seats etc, this should be a $4000 package max. But I’d guess they’ll rip us off to the tune of $7k, and this’ll be another car that would be nice to have, but is overpriced.

    Exclusivity by high price rather than content.

  • Jon

    My feeling is that with a improved transmission, upgraded clutch, upgraded turbo, upgraded pistons, a big brake kit, and a set of JCW wheels this will surely go well past 4k and personally with the other inclusions in the kit I don’t think this will be over priced.

  • Craig

    If MINI will be treating this as a different model then it doesn’t make sense to compare this to the way the previous factory JCW was handled. I expect that this will carry a hefty base price which I expect to be in the neighborhood of $28,000-$31,000. The available options and packages will most likely be different than the normal R56. I would also be very surprised if they produce more than 800-900 units per year for the USA.

    Anyway, we will know all of this for certain within the next couple of months.

  • Greg

    If you compare the R53 JCW kit at $6000 for 40HP and brakes and LSD to R56 stage one $2500 for 17hp this is a total bargain. 40-50hp, brakes, LSD, steering wheel, short shifter, upgraded clutch, 18″wheels, for $7000 k not to mention this thing will blow the doors off the GP I’d say they did it right.

  • MiniMark

    Still no clarification on whether those Borbet ‘Challenge’ wheels are 17″ or 18″?

  • Jon

    I believe like all other JCW wheels the Challenge wheels will be 18″, from what I have read. These wheels are going to not be Borbet wheels the race car uses but of the same design. The Borbet wheels on the R56 race car are 17″. I am sure the wheels will be branded as JCW.

  • c4

    “Blow off the doors of the GP?” I believe it when I see it.

    One little detail you are forgetting… The GP has virtually ZERO torque steer, something which is the achiles heel of the R56. The torque steer in the stage II factory must be brutal.

    And hopefully, the upgraded turbo will not run out of air like the stock unit past 5.5K RPM.

  • nuvolari

    Why is torque steer so bad on the R56?

  • Jon

    I have zero doubt that the Factory car will be faster than the GP, it will stop quicker and likely to better the GP in a lot of reguards. Not for so much as a second does this mean the GP is an ounce less cool, desirable or excellent performance car. I wouldn’t be saying much about the torque steer on the factory car. Gabe is reporting the torque on the Factory car is going to be just over 200ft lbs which is right with the current car. More horsepower doesn’t mean more torque so the torque steer is likely to be on par with the Dealer kit.

  • Mac

    the factory car will not have a limited slip

  • http://www.ausringers.com Liam

    An LSD would be an option though I assume?

  • http://www.newmini-technik.de Mac
    An LSD would be an option though I assume?
  • http://www.newmini-technik.de Mac
    An LSD would be an option though I assume?

    yes

  • DHA

    LSD (Limited Slip Differential) and DSC

    Is listed in the article?????

  • http://www.newmini-technik.de Mac
    LSD (Limited Slip Differential) and DSC Is listed in the article?????

    well, its wrong

  • http://www.newmini-technik.de Mac

    and look – its not listed in the article anymore :-))))))

  • cct1
    I have zero doubt that the Factory car will be faster than the GP, it will stop quicker and likely to better the GP in a lot of reguards.

    I’m not so sure about this. 0-60 maybe, and I won’t argue the brakes, but on the track, the GP will have three significant advantages–weight, suspension and LSD. The Stage II JCW is gonna need a little more to be a GP killer on the track…

    I wouldn’t be saying much about the torque steer on the factory car. Gabe is reporting the torque on the Factory car is going to be just over 200ft lbs which is right with the current car.

    Torque steer is an issue (although minor one) with even the base S–its comparable to what I get with my R53 JCW–so I’d be careful here too. I’m surprised that the LSD has been taken off the list; this car could definitely benefit from it.

    More horsepower doesn’t mean more torque so the torque steer is likely to be on par with the Dealer kit.

    Well, sort of. The two (HP and torque)are directly dependent with one another; usually more HP is a function of gaining more torque, although RPMs are directly dependent as well. I’d be interested to see exactly how the engine’s HP has been increased–ie how much each of these factors influence the bigger HP numbers.

    What strikes me about the Stage II (and the reason IMHO its not a “GP killer”) is that with the exception of the brakes, everything went into the engine–nothing with handling. And this is a bit disappointing; for example, if you wanted a better performing car on the track, you’d have a better setup with a Stage I, JCW suspension, and LSD rather than a Stage II JCW for what will probably be roughly the same price–maybe even cheaper.

    I thought the JCW stage II was going to be aimed more toward performance overall, rather than just engine–what I was hoping for was a car that was pretty much ready for street or track with no modification. That’s not the case; while a great car (and I still may end up with one–either that or a 135i), its going to need a little more…

  • Jon

    Still hoping that somebody at JCW/Mini see’s that their current offerings are going to be well received, and that there are more than a few of us out there that are waiting for something a bit more tuned. I think the Factory car is going to be very exciting to see and to drive. Just have my hope that in ’09 we will see a 50th anniversary Coupe that is tuned like a large number of us are waiting for.

  • cct1

    That’s my hope too–that either toward the end of the cycle or sooner, a GP type variant of the R56 will find its way into the lineup. As popular as the GP turned out to be, I’m hoping we’ll see it for the R56, and maybe we’ll see something as early as 2009, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was more toward the end of the R56’s lifecycle.

    By then I’m hoping I’ll be choosing between a 135i with DSG, or a street legal JCW R56 set up nicely for the track…

  • Jon

    Well still have to think Mini would be silly for not going nuts on a 50th edition car. I think that if they do this they should keep the GP in mind, knowing that a large percentage of the money spent on Mini’s is performance oriented. This doesn’t mean for a minute though that the new Factory JCW should be any less interesting. I have faith in Mini (as long as you don’r bring up the R60 lol) in producing something cool. I am sure the new factory car will be an exciting car.

  • Mike

    I don’t get it….why would they not include LSD with the JCW? Especially if it is an option on the base R56. Thoroughly confusing!

  • MiniMark

    LSD and DSC have disappeared from the spec. That’s $1000 worth of options gone, I wonder if this means the kit will come down $1000 in price? Not on your life. Very, very disappointing.

  • robble

    Didn’t the article first state a new turbo back exhaust? It says cat back now.

  • robble

    oops, maybe not. I looked at a cached version of the article and it said cat back (still showed the lsd and dsc)

  • Jon

    I say that it would have been a better car if they would have added the JCW suspension, JCW aero kit along with the LSD and DSC. Even though its not quite the car I have been waiting for it is still a good step forward for JCW. First offering with more to come I am sure.

  • mnicpt

    While I’m excited about what MINI is doing with the factory JCW, it doesn’t seem inline with trying to make it like an M car where it is a full package (body kit, engine, suspension, etc.). I know previously this was mentioned as BMW’s direction.

  • Greg

    Options dissapeared from the original post? No LSD? What say you Gabe?

    To all GP defenders, let me first state that I am a born again R53 owner after buying a stage one R53 triple JCW(for sale!). I just had extensive mods done today!

    I understand what the GP is about, however, the truth is that a stage one is faster than a GP. Stage two will leave it in the dust.

    On the track? I have the JCW suspension which is great and with a rear sway bar added my guess is the handling is every bit as good or better than a GP.

    I’m just being objective. In my heart, I’d rather have a GP than the stage two (as long as I had some mirror covers!!!!!).

  • http://www.motoringfile.com/ Gabe

    Options dissapeared from the original post? No LSD? What say you Gabe?

    Original info we got said it was to be standard. Since then we’ve heard otherwise. Until it’s confirmed I’ve pulled it out. Rather have people pleasantly surprised than upset.

    BTW I’ll be creating a huge JCW Q&A story for Monday that will try to answer a bunch of the questions in comments above.

  • http://www.michiganmini.org Ryephile

    I hope you can get the factory JCW without the factory clutchpack LSD! The factory LSD is a “bad acid trip” for steering feel around town.

  • Jon

    Looking forward to Monday to get more info Gabe. Thanks for taking the time to clear some things up.

  • Impulsive

    No change in skirts or front bumper? WTF? Keep the JCW logos and sill plates, and trade them for at least the better looking front bumper.

    I hope they’ve addressed the FRIGHTENING start-up noise in cold weather.

    This is sounding like a botched release. Oh well … who else wants my $30k?

  • Dylan

    Thanks for the info Gabe. Look forward to Monday’s Q+A.

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  • pete

    why not up the displacement to at least a 2.0?

    If it had a 2.4 in it it would be a torque monster. especially if mini ever made an awd similar to an evo drivetrain

  • Calogero

    AMAZING!!!

    What a beautiful package.

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    I am going to Geneva so will get as many pics as possible & mail them to you Gabe

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