Comments on: JCW Challenge Car details http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Victor http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226723 Victor Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:36:46 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226723 <p>So are the stock MINI floor pans seam welded also?</p> So are the stock MINI floor pans seam welded also?

]]> By: nuvolari http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226657 nuvolari Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:06:00 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226657 <p>Oh, and I suppose the E92 M3 has an eLSD. What? It doesn't? It has a real mechanical LSD? But why?</p> Oh, and I suppose the E92 M3 has an eLSD. What? It doesn’t? It has a real mechanical LSD? But why?

]]> By: nuvolari http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226656 nuvolari Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:54:25 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226656 <p>Very true, Mozza. :) Glad I didn't lose the house, but I will wait for confirmation on this. I suppose if everyone must run eLSD, then no one is at a disadvantage.</p> Very true, Mozza. :) Glad I didn’t lose the house, but I will wait for confirmation on this. I suppose if everyone must run eLSD, then no one is at a disadvantage.

]]> By: Mozza http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226647 Mozza Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:37:54 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226647 <blockquote>dnor72 Jun 30th, 2008 Does the Challenge car have the eLSD or a mechanical LSD?</blockquote> <blockquote>nuvolari Jun 30th, 2008 I think you know the answer to that one… </blockquote> <blockquote>DB Jun 30th, 2008 Just like the Factory JCW, this will have the eLSD.</blockquote> <p>This made me chuckle, methinks nuvolari would have put his house on it having a mech diff. :-).</p> dnor72 Jun 30th, 2008 Does the Challenge car have the eLSD or a mechanical LSD?
nuvolari Jun 30th, 2008 I think you know the answer to that one…
DB Jun 30th, 2008 Just like the Factory JCW, this will have the eLSD.

This made me chuckle, methinks nuvolari would have put his house on it having a mech diff. :-).

]]> By: Todd http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226646 Todd Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:35:29 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226646 <p>I think the confusion on the price is this - the correct US estimate should be around $60K but when talking, someone mentioned $60K and then thought that was 60K Euros which is equal to about $84K USD. There should be a correction to the $90K US estimate. It should read $60K USD estimated retail price.</p> <p>The whole point is moot anyway because this car will not be landing on US soil anytime soon at $60K or $90K.</p> I think the confusion on the price is this – the correct US estimate should be around $60K but when talking, someone mentioned $60K and then thought that was 60K Euros which is equal to about $84K USD. There should be a correction to the $90K US estimate. It should read $60K USD estimated retail price.

The whole point is moot anyway because this car will not be landing on US soil anytime soon at $60K or $90K.

]]> By: Paul Autry http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226626 Paul Autry Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:30:12 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226626 <p>No MINI Challenge exists in America so where would you drive the car and for what reason? $90K? I could name a dozen out of the box cars this car wouldn't have a chance...for a lot less money.</p> <p>I love MINI's but this one is a joke!</p> <p>Call</p> No MINI Challenge exists in America so where would you drive the car and for what reason? $90K? I could name a dozen out of the box cars this car wouldn’t have a chance…for a lot less money.

I love MINI’s but this one is a joke!

Call

]]> By: DB http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226625 DB Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:27:32 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226625 <blockquote> <p>Does the Challenge car have the eLSD or a mechanical LSD?</p> </blockquote> <p>Just like the Factory JCW, this will have the eLSD.</p> <blockquote> <p>You know when you see a built in space for a large fire exitinguisher that the car is special!</p> </blockquote> <p>Not just a space, but there was a tank in the passenger side.</p> <blockquote> <p>Where did you come up with the figure of $90,000 ? That’s crazy. No one—not even me–is going to buy the car at that price, even if it included a truckfull of spares—which it doesn’t.</p> </blockquote> <p>The price of US$90K came from MINIUSA.</p> <p>I was also wrong about the brakes. All apologies. I looked at <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dbwilldo/2613598070/in/set-72157605796071275/" rel="nofollow">this photo</a> from the Factory JCW, instead of <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dbwilldo/2598333899/in/set-72157605796071275/" rel="nofollow">this one</a>. It has the same wheels as the Factory JCW MINI and didn't look for the lack of treads or the yellow of the Dunlop on the tires.</p> <p>Still working on finding out about the suspension.</p> <p>Keep in mind too that this car will not be street legal in the United States. They would have a tough time getting it certified without airbags or a passenger side seat.</p>

Does the Challenge car have the eLSD or a mechanical LSD?

Just like the Factory JCW, this will have the eLSD.

You know when you see a built in space for a large fire exitinguisher that the car is special!

Not just a space, but there was a tank in the passenger side.

Where did you come up with the figure of $90,000 ? That’s crazy. No one—not even me–is going to buy the car at that price, even if it included a truckfull of spares—which it doesn’t.

The price of US$90K came from MINIUSA.

I was also wrong about the brakes. All apologies. I looked at this photo from the Factory JCW, instead of this one. It has the same wheels as the Factory JCW MINI and didn’t look for the lack of treads or the yellow of the Dunlop on the tires.

Still working on finding out about the suspension.

Keep in mind too that this car will not be street legal in the United States. They would have a tough time getting it certified without airbags or a passenger side seat.

]]> By: nuvolari http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226620 nuvolari Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:44:41 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226620 <blockquote>Does the Challenge car have the eLSD or a mechanical LSD?</blockquote> <p>I think you know the answer to that one...</p> Does the Challenge car have the eLSD or a mechanical LSD?

I think you know the answer to that one…

]]> By: rkw http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226619 rkw Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:05:11 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226619 <blockquote>If anything, they could arrive here as street cars and then be converted to racers in the US</blockquote> <p>Why would they do that? I believe these cars are not road legal even in Europe. They were built solely to create the MINI Challenge series.</p> If anything, they could arrive here as street cars and then be converted to racers in the US

Why would they do that? I believe these cars are not road legal even in Europe. They were built solely to create the MINI Challenge series.

]]> By: Charlie http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226611 Charlie Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:07:18 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226611 <p>Where did you come up with the figure of $90,000 ? That's crazy. No one---not even me--is going to buy the car at that price, even if it included a truckfull of spares---which it doesn't.</p> <p>The price when originally announced by MINI last September was 41,930.00 EUR or 66,028.18 USD at today's exchange rate. It sure hasn't crept up by enough to even come close to $90k.</p> <p>Of course this is all pure speculation--whether or not the car will make it into the USA as race car --since the DOT nixed it ever coming into the country via the manufacturer with a VIN.</p> <p>If anything, they could arrive here as street cars and then be converted to racers in the US a la the never-got-off-the-ground Porsche Carrera Cup series in 1992.</p> Where did you come up with the figure of $90,000 ? That’s crazy. No one—not even me–is going to buy the car at that price, even if it included a truckfull of spares—which it doesn’t.

The price when originally announced by MINI last September was 41,930.00 EUR or 66,028.18 USD at today’s exchange rate. It sure hasn’t crept up by enough to even come close to $90k.

Of course this is all pure speculation–whether or not the car will make it into the USA as race car –since the DOT nixed it ever coming into the country via the manufacturer with a VIN.

If anything, they could arrive here as street cars and then be converted to racers in the US a la the never-got-off-the-ground Porsche Carrera Cup series in 1992.

]]> By: Ian C. http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226609 Ian C. Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:50:26 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226609 <p>Remember it's price is NOT $90K, that's just a guess. Remember also that the car won't be road legal ...</p> Remember it’s price is NOT $90K, that’s just a guess. Remember also that the car won’t be road legal …

]]> By: Liam http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226607 Liam Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:25:13 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226607 <p>From memory, the MINI CHALLENGE cars sell in Australia for around AU$80K (plus associated running costs of course), so in theory, at least, you should be able to get one in the US for less than that. (Currently our dollar is around 90-95US¢.)</p> <p>They are purpose built race cars and maybe you could fit the air jacks, suspension, brakes and roll cage for less if you bought yourself a factory JCW off the showroom floor, but would it actually be worth the hassle?</p> <p>Mind, in Australia a factory JCW retails for AU$48,800 plus taxes and registration, so perhaps US pricing is significantly less for the same model?</p> From memory, the MINI CHALLENGE cars sell in Australia for around AU$80K (plus associated running costs of course), so in theory, at least, you should be able to get one in the US for less than that. (Currently our dollar is around 90-95US¢.)

They are purpose built race cars and maybe you could fit the air jacks, suspension, brakes and roll cage for less if you bought yourself a factory JCW off the showroom floor, but would it actually be worth the hassle?

Mind, in Australia a factory JCW retails for AU$48,800 plus taxes and registration, so perhaps US pricing is significantly less for the same model?

]]> By: dnor72 http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226593 dnor72 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:48:09 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226593 <p>Does the Challenge car have the eLSD or a mechanical LSD?</p> Does the Challenge car have the eLSD or a mechanical LSD?

]]> By: GSKChicago http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226582 GSKChicago Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:44:09 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226582 <p>Anytime you see a car with a built in slot for a big fire extiguisher, you know it's something special. :)</p> Anytime you see a car with a built in slot for a big fire extiguisher, you know it’s something special. :)

]]> By: Victor http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226577 Victor Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:12:10 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226577 <p>The AP racing setup has floating discs. Total not the same brake as just a standard 4 pot Brembro Caliber.</p> <p>http://tit.smugmug.com/photos/276001038_2gqMx-XL.jpg</p> <p>I wonder how much else is wrong with your info source? Cause i am pretty sure the clutch and pressure will be different, to take the abuse of competition.</p> The AP racing setup has floating discs. Total not the same brake as just a standard 4 pot Brembro Caliber.

http://tit.smugmug.com/photos/276001038_2gqMx-XL.jpg

I wonder how much else is wrong with your info source? Cause i am pretty sure the clutch and pressure will be different, to take the abuse of competition.

]]> By: Brian http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226570 Brian Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:18:14 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226570 <p>Does the 90k pay for the car or do you get factory backed help as well?</p> Does the 90k pay for the car or do you get factory backed help as well?

]]> By: C4 http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226567 C4 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:00:19 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226567 <p>It is critical to have a place to put down your latte while doing 150MPH,</p> It is critical to have a place to put down your latte while doing 150MPH,

]]> By: O(=^=)O Capn http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226563 O(=^=)O Capn Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:44:41 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226563 <p>Ha! It still has cup holders, I guess MINI didn't want to disappoint the masses and get a low score from JD Powers!</p> Ha! It still has cup holders, I guess MINI didn’t want to disappoint the masses and get a low score from JD Powers!

]]> By: Alan Smithee http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226561 Alan Smithee Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:18:24 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226561 <p>Those AP Racing brakes are clearly not the standard street car re-badged Brembos.</p> Those AP Racing brakes are clearly not the standard street car re-badged Brembos.

]]> By: Jon http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/06/30/jcw-challenge-car-details/comment-page-1/#comment-226558 Jon Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:13:45 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6757#comment-226558 <p>This is still more of a car than a Factory car, although one could probably bring a JCW Mini to very comparable stats. However when/if we get the Mini race series in the states the car would make perfect sense for spec racing.</p> This is still more of a car than a Factory car, although one could probably bring a JCW Mini to very comparable stats. However when/if we get the Mini race series in the states the car would make perfect sense for spec racing.

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