Comments on: R56 Cold Start Official Fix Coming http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Engine Shaking - Mini Cooper Forums - Mini Cooper Enthusiast Forums http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-910594 Engine Shaking - Mini Cooper Forums - Mini Cooper Enthusiast Forums Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:26:54 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-910594 <p>[...] solution and source "Last year MINI finally solved the dreaded cold start issue that afflicted the R56 Cooper S. Or so they thought. As it turned out, [...]</p> [...] solution and source “Last year MINI finally solved the dreaded cold start issue that afflicted the R56 Cooper S. Or so they thought. As it turned out, [...]

]]> By: Gabriel Bridger http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-909907 Gabriel Bridger Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:23:00 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-909907 <p>It came. Do a search and contact your dealer.</p> It came. Do a search and contact your dealer.

]]> By: ARMANDENR http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-909906 ARMANDENR Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:20:00 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-909906 <p>WHEN?</p> WHEN?

]]> By: Rixter http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-458097 Rixter Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:09:05 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-458097 <p>So here's how I duplicated the cold-start rattle everytime... Started the car and moved it 10 feet (from garage to driveway) Left car in driveway for 45 minutes (simulating length of time to wash Spike). No wash actually occured and Spike was not injured during the exercise Started up the car and drove it 10 feet (back into garage) Started Spike the next day and he was rattling for the first mile from my place This proves out the theory that water is not a contributing factor. I don't know if you actually need to leave the car over night, but you do need to leave it for several hours. The problem relates to the car not getting up to full operating temperature before being shut down. Give this a whirl and see what happens.</p> So here’s how I duplicated the cold-start rattle everytime… Started the car and moved it 10 feet (from garage to driveway) Left car in driveway for 45 minutes (simulating length of time to wash Spike). No wash actually occured and Spike was not injured during the exercise Started up the car and drove it 10 feet (back into garage) Started Spike the next day and he was rattling for the first mile from my place This proves out the theory that water is not a contributing factor. I don’t know if you actually need to leave the car over night, but you do need to leave it for several hours. The problem relates to the car not getting up to full operating temperature before being shut down. Give this a whirl and see what happens.

]]> By: Jodie http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-458033 Jodie Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:55:41 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-458033 <p>I have a 2008 Clubman S. My Coop started having the loud rattle in the morning on cold days after only 5,000 miles. I took it to the dealer and they said there were timing belt issues and that they replaced the tensioner. The noise went away and of course this summer no issues since it's warm out. Now that it's fall and we've had a few 34 degree nights here in Minneapolis, the rattle is back. And now my car has a jerky acceleration and idle at low speeds. I can barely shift it (it's a manual) because of the jerky acceleration. The dealer has had my car for three days and they say they can't get it to log codes on the computer. They are giving it back to me and say it has no problems. It's got 42,000 miles on it and will be out of warranty soon, which really worries me.</p> I have a 2008 Clubman S. My Coop started having the loud rattle in the morning on cold days after only 5,000 miles. I took it to the dealer and they said there were timing belt issues and that they replaced the tensioner. The noise went away and of course this summer no issues since it’s warm out. Now that it’s fall and we’ve had a few 34 degree nights here in Minneapolis, the rattle is back. And now my car has a jerky acceleration and idle at low speeds. I can barely shift it (it’s a manual) because of the jerky acceleration. The dealer has had my car for three days and they say they can’t get it to log codes on the computer. They are giving it back to me and say it has no problems. It’s got 42,000 miles on it and will be out of warranty soon, which really worries me.

]]> By: ARMAN http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-431374 ARMAN Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:40:11 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-431374 <p>I have the same problem from the time i bought my 2007 MC.I hope this problem ends soon before my Mini warranty expires.</p> I have the same problem from the time i bought my 2007 MC.I hope this problem ends soon before my Mini warranty expires.

]]> By: MotoringFile » Archive » MINI Solves R56 MCS Cold Start Problem (Again) http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-290058 MotoringFile » Archive » MINI Solves R56 MCS Cold Start Problem (Again) Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:32:49 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-290058 <p>[...] Last year MINI finally solved the dreaded cold start issue that afflicted the R56 Cooper S. Or so they thought. As it turned out, while the issue was eliminated in some cars but only alleviated in others. So MINI went back to the drawing board and looked the issue with fresh eyes. After further research they believe they have finally (and definitively) solved the issue for all cars with a modified timing chain. Specifically they’ve made the chain very slightly longer which has eliminated the chatter that was known as the “death rattle”. [...]</p> [...] Last year MINI finally solved the dreaded cold start issue that afflicted the R56 Cooper S. Or so they thought. As it turned out, while the issue was eliminated in some cars but only alleviated in others. So MINI went back to the drawing board and looked the issue with fresh eyes. After further research they believe they have finally (and definitively) solved the issue for all cars with a modified timing chain. Specifically they’ve made the chain very slightly longer which has eliminated the chatter that was known as the “death rattle”. [...]

]]> By: mini lover http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-262652 mini lover Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:30:23 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-262652 <p>any more update on the issue?</p> any more update on the issue?

]]> By: oldMGguy http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-255126 oldMGguy Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:57:33 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-255126 <p>Here's the numbers for the new "death rattle" version 3.0 fix:</p> <p>The PuMA measure number is 10686850-12 and it was released on the 24/02/09,so it's pretty new. The part number for the new tensioner is 11.31.7.598.956. Modified tensioners are supposed to be installed in new and re-manufactured engines beginning in March '09.</p> <p>(from a post on the MINI2 website)</p> <p>Everyone gets a new redesigned chain tensioner assembly. Depending on the installed measurement of the chain, cars may also get a new timing chain, guides, Vanos sprocket, and other sprockets.</p> Here’s the numbers for the new “death rattle” version 3.0 fix:

The PuMA measure number is 10686850-12 and it was released on the 24/02/09,so it’s pretty new. The part number for the new tensioner is 11.31.7.598.956. Modified tensioners are supposed to be installed in new and re-manufactured engines beginning in March ’09.

(from a post on the MINI2 website)

Everyone gets a new redesigned chain tensioner assembly. Depending on the installed measurement of the chain, cars may also get a new timing chain, guides, Vanos sprocket, and other sprockets.

]]> By: Gary http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-255109 Gary Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:36:41 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-255109 <p>Well, our mates over in the UK with the cold start death rattle have been reporting back-fits of "Chain Tensioner v3.0" since the second week of the month (March). So far, there have been zero reports of the rattle coming back.</p> <p>I'm scared to even hope...did they actually get it right this time? Could we finally be putting this issue behind us? (Yeah, I know. It's still too early to draw conclusions...)</p> Well, our mates over in the UK with the cold start death rattle have been reporting back-fits of “Chain Tensioner v3.0″ since the second week of the month (March). So far, there have been zero reports of the rattle coming back.

I’m scared to even hope…did they actually get it right this time? Could we finally be putting this issue behind us? (Yeah, I know. It’s still too early to draw conclusions…)

]]> By: barice http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-253559 barice Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:13:21 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-253559 <p>What "oldMGguy" states (Feb 23rd) is correct, according to www.realoem.com/bmw. Realizing there apparently was a sort of redesigned chain tensioner (the November '08 part no. 11317582036), I decided to give it a try on my R56 MCS built 06/07. It was "apparently" replaced just a few days ago by Herb Chambers MINI of Boston. I stress "apparently" because it DID NOT make any difference at all. The cold start death rattle is still there, from the day I got the car back from the dealer. To me is if nothing was really done to it. I am VERY disappointed and now eager to learn more about the "fix version 3.0". The warranty on the car will run out in a little over 2 years. I am not sure if I will wait that long for a solution.</p> <p>I think, at this point, we should get some satisfaction from BMW. We need to get some answers. If those do not exist, then we have to get together and force a reaction from BMW, even if this means a class action law suit. I think this site could help us out. I think Gabe, Matt, Don and Co. can give us a hand as they have the resources we lack.</p> <p>Cheers</p> What “oldMGguy” states (Feb 23rd) is correct, according to http://www.realoem.com/bmw. Realizing there apparently was a sort of redesigned chain tensioner (the November ’08 part no. 11317582036), I decided to give it a try on my R56 MCS built 06/07. It was “apparently” replaced just a few days ago by Herb Chambers MINI of Boston. I stress “apparently” because it DID NOT make any difference at all. The cold start death rattle is still there, from the day I got the car back from the dealer. To me is if nothing was really done to it. I am VERY disappointed and now eager to learn more about the “fix version 3.0″. The warranty on the car will run out in a little over 2 years. I am not sure if I will wait that long for a solution.

I think, at this point, we should get some satisfaction from BMW. We need to get some answers. If those do not exist, then we have to get together and force a reaction from BMW, even if this means a class action law suit. I think this site could help us out. I think Gabe, Matt, Don and Co. can give us a hand as they have the resources we lack.

Cheers

]]> By: oldMGguy http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-253523 oldMGguy Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:29:15 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-253523 <p>There have been two revised timing chain tensioners available to the US MINI dealers so far - April '08 (#11317565868) and November '08 (#11317582036). Neither part has been effective in stopping the start-up "death rattle". There are reports on the UK-based MINI2 forum that fix version 3.0 is rolling out to UK dealers. Apparently a much more extensive replacement of tensioner (with internal spring), timing chain, guides, and sprockets. A few owners with the new parts report a quiet start for the first month at least. Time will tell. I don't know the part number of the new repair kit, sorry ...</p> There have been two revised timing chain tensioners available to the US MINI dealers so far – April ’08 (#11317565868) and November ’08 (#11317582036). Neither part has been effective in stopping the start-up “death rattle”. There are reports on the UK-based MINI2 forum that fix version 3.0 is rolling out to UK dealers. Apparently a much more extensive replacement of tensioner (with internal spring), timing chain, guides, and sprockets. A few owners with the new parts report a quiet start for the first month at least. Time will tell. I don’t know the part number of the new repair kit, sorry …

]]> By: Gary http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-253040 Gary Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:30:20 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-253040 <p>There are now posts on MINI2 linking this issue to catastrophic engine failures:</p> <p>http://www.mini2.com/forum/2nd-gen-faults-fixes/136105-mini-cooper-s-engine-noise-when-cold-83.html</p> <p>The situation is getting dire.</p> There are now posts on MINI2 linking this issue to catastrophic engine failures:

http://www.mini2.com/forum/2nd-gen-faults-fixes/136105-mini-cooper-s-engine-noise-when-cold-83.html

The situation is getting dire.

]]> By: Peter Caldwell http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-250837 Peter Caldwell Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:12:47 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-250837 <p>We have a Peugeot 207GT (early 2008) - same engine - same noise. In November 2008 we left the car with the dealer for 2 weeks. They replaced the 'inlet cam hub'. The noise returned about two weeks later and got worse. Mid January 2009 the dealer had it for 2 more weeks and replaced the 'timing belt tensioner' The dealer claims this is the only example of this problem he has seen - I referred him to this site. It is summer here in Melbourne and fairly hot - so cold weather is not a big factor.</p> <p>Peter Caldwell Melbourne Australia</p> We have a Peugeot 207GT (early 2008) – same engine – same noise. In November 2008 we left the car with the dealer for 2 weeks. They replaced the ‘inlet cam hub’. The noise returned about two weeks later and got worse. Mid January 2009 the dealer had it for 2 more weeks and replaced the ‘timing belt tensioner’ The dealer claims this is the only example of this problem he has seen – I referred him to this site. It is summer here in Melbourne and fairly hot – so cold weather is not a big factor.

Peter Caldwell Melbourne Australia

]]> By: Gary http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-249706 Gary Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:43:05 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-249706 <p>Still nothing from BMW MINI on this?</p> <p>A small part of me is hoping that the problem has been mitigated in the R57 -- maybe one of those quiet, semi-covert engineering updates that are not publicized so as to not draw attention to the original problem (to wit: the wiring harness improvements on the 1st Gen PS pump fan). I'm still betting on a software update.</p> <p>I'd love to be in a position to place an order on a new R57 S very soon, but I absolutely will NOT without evidence that the R56 cold start death rattle has not been inherited.</p> Still nothing from BMW MINI on this?

A small part of me is hoping that the problem has been mitigated in the R57 — maybe one of those quiet, semi-covert engineering updates that are not publicized so as to not draw attention to the original problem (to wit: the wiring harness improvements on the 1st Gen PS pump fan). I’m still betting on a software update.

I’d love to be in a position to place an order on a new R57 S very soon, but I absolutely will NOT without evidence that the R56 cold start death rattle has not been inherited.

]]> By: Boro Boy http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-249347 Boro Boy Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:13:18 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-249347 <p>Gabe - you reported some time ago that you were aware that MINI were formulating a fix, and several owners have gleaned info from various sources, so that we are now in a position to understand that the fix is in the form of a replacement mechanically-operated cam chain tensioner. Do you know if MINI have officially stated that this is the case? I get the feeling that most dealers are not aware of it. It would be nice to know if all R56 MCS owners will shortly be receiving 'quality enhancement' letters! Cheers.</p> Gabe – you reported some time ago that you were aware that MINI were formulating a fix, and several owners have gleaned info from various sources, so that we are now in a position to understand that the fix is in the form of a replacement mechanically-operated cam chain tensioner. Do you know if MINI have officially stated that this is the case? I get the feeling that most dealers are not aware of it. It would be nice to know if all R56 MCS owners will shortly be receiving ‘quality enhancement’ letters! Cheers.

]]> By: barice http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-249262 barice Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:23:38 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-249262 <p>I'm currently enjoying 3 1/2 weeks of wonderful summer weather in Brazil... but I am already fearing what my 07 MCS will "tell" me when I fire up its heart upon my return. 25 winter days in Boston.... I've never had a similar feeling with any of my previous vehicles. They never complained. Before leaving, I stopped by my local dealer to find out if they heard anything about this "fix" I'm so eager about. They didn't. I hope they do now. So far this has been a love/hate experience. If this doesn't get resolved by the spring, I will get rid of it.</p> <p>Cheers</p> I’m currently enjoying 3 1/2 weeks of wonderful summer weather in Brazil… but I am already fearing what my 07 MCS will “tell” me when I fire up its heart upon my return. 25 winter days in Boston…. I’ve never had a similar feeling with any of my previous vehicles. They never complained. Before leaving, I stopped by my local dealer to find out if they heard anything about this “fix” I’m so eager about. They didn’t. I hope they do now. So far this has been a love/hate experience. If this doesn’t get resolved by the spring, I will get rid of it.

Cheers

]]> By: islabáez http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-249149 islabáez Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:18:42 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-249149 <p>Has anyone in the UK received the fix for the cold start that was anticipated in December? How did that work for you or anyone in the world with an afflicted R56 (MINI Cooper S engine)?</p> Has anyone in the UK received the fix for the cold start that was anticipated in December? How did that work for you or anyone in the world with an afflicted R56 (MINI Cooper S engine)?

]]> By: Roccorocket http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-249128 Roccorocket Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:54:52 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-249128 <p>Referring to the yo-yo thing, I didn't have the issue until they plugged in the so called fix.</p> <p>I have an "08" I hope its not another Cluster ****!</p> Referring to the yo-yo thing, I didn’t have the issue until they plugged in the so called fix.

I have an “08″ I hope its not another Cluster ****!

]]> By: MotoringFile » Archive » MotoringFile’s Best of 2008 http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/07/07/r56-cold-start-official-fix-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-249005 MotoringFile » Archive » MotoringFile’s Best of 2008 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:47:36 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=6770#comment-249005 <p>[...] 5: R56 MCS Cold Start Issue / Update [...]</p> [...] 5: R56 MCS Cold Start Issue / Update [...]

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