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		<title>By: GregW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shamus - you are right - what the heck. But until the late 70&#039;s BMW didn&#039;t even make RHD cars in big numbers let alone LHD cars for export from Germany.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shamus &#8211; you are right &#8211; what the heck. But until the late 70&#8242;s BMW didn&#8217;t even make RHD cars in big numbers let alone LHD cars for export from Germany.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GregW, why does it really matter? Hyundai is kicking major a**... and how long have they been in business? Who cares? Its an odd point to argue over when there&#039;s bigger fish to fry.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GregW, why does it really matter? Hyundai is kicking major a**&#8230; and how long have they been in business? Who cares? Its an odd point to argue over when there&#8217;s bigger fish to fry.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: GregW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the history lesson fellas, but the old BMW was making motorcycles, Austin 7&#039;s and rebadging them Dixis, and pots and pans. Some cuddling up to Bavarian businessmen during the late 1930&#039;s. Some involvement with aircraft engines. Was a small time company until the 60/70&#039;s. It was BMW but not as we know it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the history lesson fellas, but the old BMW was making motorcycles, Austin 7&#8242;s and rebadging them Dixis, and pots and pans. Some cuddling up to Bavarian businessmen during the late 1930&#8242;s. Some involvement with aircraft engines. Was a small time company until the 60/70&#8242;s. It was BMW but not as we know it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TT,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BMW may have been around since then but did not make its first car until 1928(9)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and was closed from 1941-1952. So in reality it is not that long.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Around 70 years total of building cars.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TT,</p>

<p>BMW may have been around since then but did not make its first car until 1928(9)</p>

<p>and was closed from 1941-1952. So in reality it is not that long.</p>

<p>Around 70 years total of building cars.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: TT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;BMW has not been around for that long - check your history.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BMW has been around since 1916.  That makes them only 13 years younger than Ford &amp; 8 years younger than General Motors.  I consider that a fairly long time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>BMW has not been around for that long &#8211; check your history.</blockquote>

<p>BMW has been around since 1916.  That makes them only 13 years younger than Ford &amp; 8 years younger than General Motors.  I consider that a fairly long time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: QwaZyWabbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>QwaZyWabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GregW- BMW has been around since 1913 (officially 1917).  After surviving WWI, WWII, a hostile takeover, and various economic downturns, BMW AG has always come back.  It will not go away.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I spent almost a year researching the early years of BMW and wrote it here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_BMW&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Check it out, you will find it very enlightening.  You cannot move ahead unless you understand the past.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GregW- BMW has been around since 1913 (officially 1917).  After surviving WWI, WWII, a hostile takeover, and various economic downturns, BMW AG has always come back.  It will not go away.</p>

<p>I spent almost a year researching the early years of BMW and wrote it here:<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_BMW" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_BMW</a></p>

<p>Check it out, you will find it very enlightening.  You cannot move ahead unless you understand the past.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The government bail out in the EU can&#039;t be the same at the one being attempted here... they will not give brands money to reinvest in themselves. The bail out there would only be on the financing sector bad loans etc... not money to fix the cars brands built. It is called survival of the fittest and as a free market economy here in the US you think we would follow that rule and let those pigs in Detroit (just one) learn otherwise there are no consequences to producing crap people won&#039;t buy Since the people will end up paying anyway... if we do learn from history it is is bound to repeat itself...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is no wonder that EU car brands while still having issues they are in a far better place than the US brands, if it was not for GM Opel would be in fine shape, same for Volvo with Ford.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Whoever made the decision to put those bigger Volvo badges on the back of cars this past fall should be fired immediately, ruined a nice piece of metal with all that plastic...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BMW has no interest in buying anyone at this time and has reached parts agreements with other brands to offset development costs and reach economies of scale.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government bail out in the EU can&#8217;t be the same at the one being attempted here&#8230; they will not give brands money to reinvest in themselves. The bail out there would only be on the financing sector bad loans etc&#8230; not money to fix the cars brands built. It is called survival of the fittest and as a free market economy here in the US you think we would follow that rule and let those pigs in Detroit (just one) learn otherwise there are no consequences to producing crap people won&#8217;t buy Since the people will end up paying anyway&#8230; if we do learn from history it is is bound to repeat itself&#8230;</p>

<p>It is no wonder that EU car brands while still having issues they are in a far better place than the US brands, if it was not for GM Opel would be in fine shape, same for Volvo with Ford.</p>

<p>Whoever made the decision to put those bigger Volvo badges on the back of cars this past fall should be fired immediately, ruined a nice piece of metal with all that plastic&#8230;</p>

<p>BMW has no interest in buying anyone at this time and has reached parts agreements with other brands to offset development costs and reach economies of scale.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW, &quot;the European Union&#039;s tough competition regulations restrain the options for the Swedish government should it wish to support the Swedish-based car industry.&quot; (DetroitNews.com)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I imagine the same could be said for governmental bailouts of the German brands as well.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, &#8220;the European Union&#8217;s tough competition regulations restrain the options for the Swedish government should it wish to support the Swedish-based car industry.&#8221; (DetroitNews.com)</p>

<p>I imagine the same could be said for governmental bailouts of the German brands as well.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If I remember correctly, wasn&#039;t Volvo the largest profitable division in Ford? It may be considered crap here in the states, but they sell like mad overseas.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember correctly, wasn&#8217;t Volvo the largest profitable division in Ford? It may be considered crap here in the states, but they sell like mad overseas.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: C4</title>
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		<dc:creator>C4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Volvo is a big turkey with declining market share. Not even the Volvo group in Sweden wants to take it back. (The C30 has potential but it was a half baked effort to get back at the MINI Cooper at best)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I believe BMW dismissed any interest in Volvo cars a while back.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Volvo is a big turkey with declining market share. Not even the Volvo group in Sweden wants to take it back. (The C30 has potential but it was a half baked effort to get back at the MINI Cooper at best)</p>

<p>I believe BMW dismissed any interest in Volvo cars a while back.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/dec/02/ford-sell-volvo&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(link didn&#039;t work in post above)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/dec/02/ford-sell-volvo" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/dec/02/ford-sell-volvo</a></p>

<p>(link didn&#8217;t work in post above)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wonder if BMW has any &lt;a&gt; interest in Volvo?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder if BMW has any <a> interest in Volvo?</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dc11r</title>
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		<dc:creator>dc11r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;sounds like mismanagement of funds to me.  having worked with VW&#039;s product design teams, their problem was over-engineering and the costs that go with it.  for example, if you take apart a camry and look how the fenders are bolted on, you&#039;ll see that its just the fender and a few bolts here and there.  however, if you take apart any VW, you&#039;ll see  more than a fender and bolts.. you&#039;ll discover a hanger here and another mount there.  it all adds up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;but when you have a company like BMW complaining about their profitability.... uhhhh... base model is cheap, i agree... but the prices charged compared to the cost of product on their options are ridiculous.  and to make it worse, they come out with their free-service/warranty programs when their products have so many problems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;they need to attack the reliability issue first, and while doing that, find ways to do things more efficiently like the japanese have.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;if they want pity from me, they wont get it because their price scheme is just retarded... theyve got to be making so much profit per new car sold than the japanese do, before factoring in labor costs and compensations.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like mismanagement of funds to me.  having worked with VW&#8217;s product design teams, their problem was over-engineering and the costs that go with it.  for example, if you take apart a camry and look how the fenders are bolted on, you&#8217;ll see that its just the fender and a few bolts here and there.  however, if you take apart any VW, you&#8217;ll see  more than a fender and bolts.. you&#8217;ll discover a hanger here and another mount there.  it all adds up.</p>

<p>but when you have a company like BMW complaining about their profitability&#8230;. uhhhh&#8230; base model is cheap, i agree&#8230; but the prices charged compared to the cost of product on their options are ridiculous.  and to make it worse, they come out with their free-service/warranty programs when their products have so many problems.</p>

<p>they need to attack the reliability issue first, and while doing that, find ways to do things more efficiently like the japanese have.</p>

<p>if they want pity from me, they wont get it because their price scheme is just retarded&#8230; theyve got to be making so much profit per new car sold than the japanese do, before factoring in labor costs and compensations.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The trick for all brands will be to free up enough capital to weather the storm and/or restructure their product lines. The big three are facing that problem right now in congress.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Halting new development is a no-brainer. Closing down dead product lines is a given. Killing off old engines was going to happen anyway. But moving manufacturing plants, introducing new small models, or entire product lines is simply NOT going to happen. How can they when doing this costs money? Nothing would be better than introducing Isetta to the world or for Fiat to bring the 500 over early to drive up sales, but the infrastructure needed takes too long to implement and (again) costs too much.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Paring down existing lines to make them more cost-effective. Cross shopping existing technology and engines between brands. Reducing overall fleet volumes in dead markets. These are measures that will ensure the continuation of a company. BMW isn&#039;t going anywhere anytime soon.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trick for all brands will be to free up enough capital to weather the storm and/or restructure their product lines. The big three are facing that problem right now in congress.</p>

<p>Halting new development is a no-brainer. Closing down dead product lines is a given. Killing off old engines was going to happen anyway. But moving manufacturing plants, introducing new small models, or entire product lines is simply NOT going to happen. How can they when doing this costs money? Nothing would be better than introducing Isetta to the world or for Fiat to bring the 500 over early to drive up sales, but the infrastructure needed takes too long to implement and (again) costs too much.</p>

<p>Paring down existing lines to make them more cost-effective. Cross shopping existing technology and engines between brands. Reducing overall fleet volumes in dead markets. These are measures that will ensure the continuation of a company. BMW isn&#8217;t going anywhere anytime soon.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: GregW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Firstly BMW is listed on German Stock market, with the majority shareholding being the Quandt family. A lot of employees have stock as well. 
When BMW bought Land Rover and MG Rover Group (including Mini brand) it was trying to diversify and gain 4WD and FWD technology. This deal nearly sent them to the wall. So they sold LandRover to Ford, and sold MG Rover for 10 GBP. They kept the jewel in the crown - the Mini.
Years ago, BMW decided to be a luxury car maker instead of a sporty-car marque. They wanted more market share.
All BMW models got bigger with each model.
BMW is a victim of its own success. The cars were so good everybody wanted one. Now people want something different than their neighbour.
BMWs are already being made in China for the Chinese market and the clones are already being churned out. As well the BMW India plant will soon come on stream.
BMW has already restructured for the past 18 months / 2 years and laid off staff progressively.
MaxMCS - BMW has not been around for that long - check your history.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly BMW is listed on German Stock market, with the majority shareholding being the Quandt family. A lot of employees have stock as well. 
When BMW bought Land Rover and MG Rover Group (including Mini brand) it was trying to diversify and gain 4WD and FWD technology. This deal nearly sent them to the wall. So they sold LandRover to Ford, and sold MG Rover for 10 GBP. They kept the jewel in the crown &#8211; the Mini.
Years ago, BMW decided to be a luxury car maker instead of a sporty-car marque. They wanted more market share.
All BMW models got bigger with each model.
BMW is a victim of its own success. The cars were so good everybody wanted one. Now people want something different than their neighbour.
BMWs are already being made in China for the Chinese market and the clones are already being churned out. As well the BMW India plant will soon come on stream.
BMW has already restructured for the past 18 months / 2 years and laid off staff progressively.
MaxMCS &#8211; BMW has not been around for that long &#8211; check your history.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: DBM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BMW are more common today because the other car brands like Toyota, Honda and Ford are more closely priced to a BMW.  Instead of a 3 series costing twice the price of a fully loaded Camry like in the late 80&#039;s it is possible to get a 128 for 10-15% premium over a fully loaded Camry.  Someone who is image conscious aka a yuppy, or an enthusiast does not have to stretch as much as they used to. The MCS in my opinion is the greatest value in all of BMWs product mix.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BMW are more common today because the other car brands like Toyota, Honda and Ford are more closely priced to a BMW.  Instead of a 3 series costing twice the price of a fully loaded Camry like in the late 80&#8242;s it is possible to get a 128 for 10-15% premium over a fully loaded Camry.  Someone who is image conscious aka a yuppy, or an enthusiast does not have to stretch as much as they used to. The MCS in my opinion is the greatest value in all of BMWs product mix.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MaxMCS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaxMCS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To be frank, I don&#039;t see BMW going anywhere any time soon. BMW has been around since like... the beginning of time. It&#039;s a name that can never really be killed; I don&#039;t think the world as we know it today would let that happen. Also, not to be the pathetic optimist here, but I don&#039;t see this financial crunch lasting for TOO long- a year or two, possibly, tops.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do agree with C4 in saying that BMW will again become a premium brand, exclusive and rare as it once was. When I was a kid, having a BMW made you just... the business! Because you could burn the cash to get the luxury and performance. I could see that being the scenario once again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Long live the mighty Bimmer!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be frank, I don&#8217;t see BMW going anywhere any time soon. BMW has been around since like&#8230; the beginning of time. It&#8217;s a name that can never really be killed; I don&#8217;t think the world as we know it today would let that happen. Also, not to be the pathetic optimist here, but I don&#8217;t see this financial crunch lasting for TOO long- a year or two, possibly, tops.</p>

<p>I do agree with C4 in saying that BMW will again become a premium brand, exclusive and rare as it once was. When I was a kid, having a BMW made you just&#8230; the business! Because you could burn the cash to get the luxury and performance. I could see that being the scenario once again.</p>

<p>Long live the mighty Bimmer!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder how the economic downturn will affect the pricing and launch of the R60. It will be interesting to see how the higher pricing for the R57 will play out in sales in this economic climate...Perhaps it&#039;s time to bring the MINI One to the US? I would also like to see the one-series five door hatch brought to the US. They do well in Europe/Africa, and if priced right, could fill a niche in the US market.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, in general, I think BMW&#039;s long term survival may require introduction of a budget brand (equiv to Honda/Toyota/VW vs. Acura/Lexus/Audi) as a balance to their luxury brand. MINI is a niche market and not a budget brand. Perhaps BMW can merge with Renault, Fiat, or Citroen and market the French/Italian brand as their budget auto brand. Or they can build one similar to how the Japanese manufacturers built luxury brands from scratch.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how the economic downturn will affect the pricing and launch of the R60. It will be interesting to see how the higher pricing for the R57 will play out in sales in this economic climate&#8230;Perhaps it&#8217;s time to bring the MINI One to the US? I would also like to see the one-series five door hatch brought to the US. They do well in Europe/Africa, and if priced right, could fill a niche in the US market.</p>

<p>However, in general, I think BMW&#8217;s long term survival may require introduction of a budget brand (equiv to Honda/Toyota/VW vs. Acura/Lexus/Audi) as a balance to their luxury brand. MINI is a niche market and not a budget brand. Perhaps BMW can merge with Renault, Fiat, or Citroen and market the French/Italian brand as their budget auto brand. Or they can build one similar to how the Japanese manufacturers built luxury brands from scratch.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aurel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From what I remember BMW initially wanted the MINI to be a stepping stone for owners to become eventual BMW buyers. I am sure few have stepped up but most just stayed with the MINI as they became addicted to it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I remember BMW initially wanted the MINI to be a stepping stone for owners to become eventual BMW buyers. I am sure few have stepped up but most just stayed with the MINI as they became addicted to it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I still don&#039;t understand the idea that MINI has to be the entry-level brand in BMW&#039;s arsenal. There are quite a few manufacturers out there with product price overlaps that have (till now) done pretty well. I think the idea of a 116i or even (gasp) a 316i could be just the right move for BMW to make. Besides, MINI is so inherently different from your basic BMW sedan or coupe, that it will always appeal to a certain market segment without encroaching on sales, even with a price overlap.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t understand the idea that MINI has to be the entry-level brand in BMW&#8217;s arsenal. There are quite a few manufacturers out there with product price overlaps that have (till now) done pretty well. I think the idea of a 116i or even (gasp) a 316i could be just the right move for BMW to make. Besides, MINI is so inherently different from your basic BMW sedan or coupe, that it will always appeal to a certain market segment without encroaching on sales, even with a price overlap.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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