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	<title>Comments on: Sign of the Times? Ash Tray &amp; Lighter Gone From US Market</title>
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		<title>By: MINIAC</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247119</link>
		<dc:creator>MINIAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;... something else you canâ€™t find nowadays.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;eBay ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>&#8230; something else you canâ€™t find nowadays.</blockquote>

<p>eBay ;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247101</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Being in Boston and having a Fast Lane transponder that also works with E-ZPass tolls in ME, NH, NY, PA, NJ, DE, MD WV, VA, IL, IN negates any need for a change tray.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I lived in Boston and had FastLane/EZPass. I used the &quot;ashtray&quot;, as just about everybody else does, to store quarters for use in parking meters. You still gotta park in Boston, and it&#039;s nice to have the convenient tray with the lid for your parking fare.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I use the lighter slot to plug in my cell phone charger. I think it&#039;s just lame of MINI USA to drop these. If they want to do that, many the dealers should take them &quot;out&quot; as an option for the purchaser. Everything else is an option in the cars, why not keep this as an option for future owners?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MINI USA seems to have a habit of nixing useful options. They didn&#039;t support the parcel shelf on the R53&#039;s, didn&#039;t want the auto-fold in mirrors (were put in on the R56, but were not available in the US on the R53&#039;s while they were available in Canada and elsewhere), don&#039;t have auto-engine shut off/on at a traffic stop, don&#039;t have regenerative braking...what gives?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the way, I used to have the FastLane transponder stuck to the front edge of the rear sunroof. Worked like a charm. I now live in California and FastTrak transponders here work in the same spot, saving me the windshield space. Just an FYI for folks out there.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>Being in Boston and having a Fast Lane transponder that also works with E-ZPass tolls in ME, NH, NY, PA, NJ, DE, MD WV, VA, IL, IN negates any need for a change tray.</blockquote>

<p>I lived in Boston and had FastLane/EZPass. I used the &#8220;ashtray&#8221;, as just about everybody else does, to store quarters for use in parking meters. You still gotta park in Boston, and it&#8217;s nice to have the convenient tray with the lid for your parking fare.</p>

<p>I use the lighter slot to plug in my cell phone charger. I think it&#8217;s just lame of MINI USA to drop these. If they want to do that, many the dealers should take them &#8220;out&#8221; as an option for the purchaser. Everything else is an option in the cars, why not keep this as an option for future owners?</p>

<p>MINI USA seems to have a habit of nixing useful options. They didn&#8217;t support the parcel shelf on the R53&#8242;s, didn&#8217;t want the auto-fold in mirrors (were put in on the R56, but were not available in the US on the R53&#8242;s while they were available in Canada and elsewhere), don&#8217;t have auto-engine shut off/on at a traffic stop, don&#8217;t have regenerative braking&#8230;what gives?</p>

<p>By the way, I used to have the FastLane transponder stuck to the front edge of the rear sunroof. Worked like a charm. I now live in California and FastTrak transponders here work in the same spot, saving me the windshield space. Just an FYI for folks out there.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mini2Go</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247071</link>
		<dc:creator>Mini2Go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As long as they keep the electrical outlet!  I don&#039;t even WANT the lighter plug.  A plastic cover (which I don&#039;t need either) will be sufficient. Even when I used to smoke in my car (eons ago) I only rarely used the lighter in the car. The only reason I can imagine that 80% + of us (I think that the national smoking rate has dropped below 20%) might be for some emergency/survival situation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also use the ashtray for coins.  Even with EZ-Pass, I still need them at the occasional parking meter.  Even so, I&#039;d prefer one of those dedicated-design change holders.  My inner geek loves the various size spring-loaded cylinders that push the coins up. :-P&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as they keep the electrical outlet!  I don&#8217;t even WANT the lighter plug.  A plastic cover (which I don&#8217;t need either) will be sufficient. Even when I used to smoke in my car (eons ago) I only rarely used the lighter in the car. The only reason I can imagine that 80% + of us (I think that the national smoking rate has dropped below 20%) might be for some emergency/survival situation.</p>

<p>I also use the ashtray for coins.  Even with EZ-Pass, I still need them at the occasional parking meter.  Even so, I&#8217;d prefer one of those dedicated-design change holders.  My inner geek loves the various size spring-loaded cylinders that push the coins up. :-P</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: M. Dillon</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247059</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Dillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Strangely,as a smoker,I don&#039;t use the lighter/ashtray in my &#039;03 MC;therefore,it&#039;s a non issue for me(I guess that makes me a,&quot;clean smoker&quot;,lol).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway,I&#039;d always made an attempt to avoid individuals who don&#039;t care for smoking/smokers by hanging out/spending money at places that support my choice.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I guess that&#039;s why I&#039;m gleeful when someone asks me to put out my cigarette at those places: I just simply blow smoke in their face/faces and state,&quot;no&quot;....,lol...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strangely,as a smoker,I don&#8217;t use the lighter/ashtray in my &#8217;03 MC;therefore,it&#8217;s a non issue for me(I guess that makes me a,&#8221;clean smoker&#8221;,lol).</p>

<p>Anyway,I&#8217;d always made an attempt to avoid individuals who don&#8217;t care for smoking/smokers by hanging out/spending money at places that support my choice.</p>

<p>I guess that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m gleeful when someone asks me to put out my cigarette at those places: I just simply blow smoke in their face/faces and state,&#8221;no&#8221;&#8230;.,lol&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: robble</title>
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		<dc:creator>robble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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lavardera Dec 12th, 2008 Link

    A plastic film canister holds $7 in quarters.

A what?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;LoL..  something else you can&#039;t find nowadays.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I took the ashtray and lighter out of my MINI the first day and haven&#039;t missed them a bit.  As far as coins in the ashtray - I hate rattles and wouldn&#039;t want loose change inside making a bunch of noise.&lt;/p&gt;
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lavardera Dec 12th, 2008 Link

    A plastic film canister holds $7 in quarters.

A what?</blockquote>

<p>LoL..  something else you can&#8217;t find nowadays.</p>

<p>I took the ashtray and lighter out of my MINI the first day and haven&#8217;t missed them a bit.  As far as coins in the ashtray &#8211; I hate rattles and wouldn&#8217;t want loose change inside making a bunch of noise.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lavardera</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247030</link>
		<dc:creator>lavardera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A plastic film canister holds $7 in quarters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A what?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>A plastic film canister holds $7 in quarters.</blockquote>

<p>A what?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: nervous</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247019</link>
		<dc:creator>nervous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is it proposed to be totally unavailable, or simply not included but available at the time of order?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it proposed to be totally unavailable, or simply not included but available at the time of order?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alan Smithee</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247018</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Smithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sign of the times indeed.  Probably done to keep people from burning themselves.  God forbid a half-moon scar, or people taking personal responsibility for raising their children to avoid touching hot things.  But I digress...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sign of the times indeed.  Probably done to keep people from burning themselves.  God forbid a half-moon scar, or people taking personal responsibility for raising their children to avoid touching hot things.  But I digress&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MINIAC</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247017</link>
		<dc:creator>MINIAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I do like to have the ashtray as a change holder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A plastic film canister holds $7 in quarters.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>I do like to have the ashtray as a change holder.</blockquote>

<p>A plastic film canister holds $7 in quarters.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: STIGG</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247016</link>
		<dc:creator>STIGG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;California is like the &quot;MCS&quot;. Once you&#039;ve tried it you never want anything else.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California is like the &#8220;MCS&#8221;. Once you&#8217;ve tried it you never want anything else.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247015</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Smokers rights? Didn&#039;t they just vote against that in California?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smokers rights? Didn&#8217;t they just vote against that in California?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Darren A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The first thing I removed on my car was the ash tray.  I needed the cup holders for my ipod and cell phone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Seems like a cost cutting move to me.  Despite not being a smoker, I actually like having a cigarette lighter in my car.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I guess as long as they keep the cup holders there, and keep the 12v socket, I&#039;m ok with it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing I removed on my car was the ash tray.  I needed the cup holders for my ipod and cell phone.</p>

<p>Seems like a cost cutting move to me.  Despite not being a smoker, I actually like having a cigarette lighter in my car.</p>

<p>I guess as long as they keep the cup holders there, and keep the 12v socket, I&#8217;m ok with it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Roccorocket</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247002</link>
		<dc:creator>Roccorocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OUTMOTORING sells the ash tray. My lid broke So I might be ording a replacement sooner or later.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OUTMOTORING sells the ash tray. My lid broke So I might be ording a replacement sooner or later.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chris Hauck</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-247000</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hauck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I use mine for change as well and the lighter for my map light.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use mine for change as well and the lighter for my map light.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: STIGG</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringfile.com/2008/12/11/ash-tray-lighter-gone-from-us-market/comment-page-1/#comment-246999</link>
		<dc:creator>STIGG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SMOKERS RIGHTS? SMOKERS RIGHTS! That&#039;s funny! Now I&#039;ve heard everything.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OK Back to the subject... Need a power outlet for my radar detector. I think the moderne car needs more outlets as we all have mobile phones, GPS, iPods, radar detectors, as least in the USA, and such. Maybe MINI could be forward thinking here and offer a Motoring Electronics Accessory Pack.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have an &#039;04 MCS and have used the rear outlet for charging my iPhone when I forgot to charge it on a vacation drive and for my mini air compressor that I carry to inflate bike and MINI tyres. My iPhone needs continual charging, crappy battery life, if I go somewhere and use it at lunch or boring inlaw  dinners to answer emails, check in on MotoringFile, GBMINI, my online store, USA Today, buy an App or listen to music, play a game and so on.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Never smoked, well not ciggies anyway, and never allowed that mess in any of my cars or homes but as a coin holder the ashtray is great. The cup holders in my &#039;04 are a joke but as a phone holder they work great.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SMOKERS RIGHTS? SMOKERS RIGHTS! That&#8217;s funny! Now I&#8217;ve heard everything.</p>

<p>OK Back to the subject&#8230; Need a power outlet for my radar detector. I think the moderne car needs more outlets as we all have mobile phones, GPS, iPods, radar detectors, as least in the USA, and such. Maybe MINI could be forward thinking here and offer a Motoring Electronics Accessory Pack.</p>

<p>I have an &#8217;04 MCS and have used the rear outlet for charging my iPhone when I forgot to charge it on a vacation drive and for my mini air compressor that I carry to inflate bike and MINI tyres. My iPhone needs continual charging, crappy battery life, if I go somewhere and use it at lunch or boring inlaw  dinners to answer emails, check in on MotoringFile, GBMINI, my online store, USA Today, buy an App or listen to music, play a game and so on.</p>

<p>Never smoked, well not ciggies anyway, and never allowed that mess in any of my cars or homes but as a coin holder the ashtray is great. The cup holders in my &#8217;04 are a joke but as a phone holder they work great.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;YOU CAN STILL PURCHASE THESE ITEMS FROM YOUR MINI PARTS DEPARTMENT!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU CAN STILL PURCHASE THESE ITEMS FROM YOUR MINI PARTS DEPARTMENT!!!!!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sideways</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sideways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does this mean that there will be a rash of people selling their Ash Cups and Cig lighters on ebay? Just like the Aux Cup holder that came on the North American Cars?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean that there will be a rash of people selling their Ash Cups and Cig lighters on ebay? Just like the Aux Cup holder that came on the North American Cars?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s been non standard in Europe for about 2 years now, you have to order something called a Smoker pack, which used to be FOC, but is now 20 Euro I believe.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been non standard in Europe for about 2 years now, you have to order something called a Smoker pack, which used to be FOC, but is now 20 Euro I believe.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: gadgeTT</title>
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		<dc:creator>gadgeTT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My 2009 MCS came with a cig lighter but no ashtray.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: miniman</title>
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		<dc:creator>miniman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I quit smoking myself, but what happens to smokers rights. Unless they replace those with something else useful, it would look like a cheap move from BMW to reduce costs.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quit smoking myself, but what happens to smokers rights. Unless they replace those with something else useful, it would look like a cheap move from BMW to reduce costs.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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