Comments on: PSA Looking to Strengthen Ties with BMW/MINI http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/ MotoringFile | MINI news, reviews and opinion. MINI Cooper, Cooper S, Clubman, Countryman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: C4 http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/comment-page-1/#comment-275050 C4 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:10:14 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=10377#comment-275050 <p>That's what happens when you try to re-invent the wheel and add more complexity than needs to be. The Tritec, as unrefined and low-tech as maybe to some, is a bulletproof engine that features simple engineering, materials and design/construction. I absolutely love the supercharger noise and power delivery of my force induced TRITEC. The new turbo is not the same, period. Nice smooth engine, nice fuel economy, but devoid of "engine music" and the stock powerband is a little lacking in the upper ranges of the tach. The TRITEC still pulls away like a freight train at the same spot where the Turbo Prince starts to lose steam (Around 5,500 or so RPM).</p> <p>The design defects of the Prince were never present in the Tritec. What an oxymoron, doesn't it? Not bad for an engine that was designed in the Detroit of the mid-1990s.</p> That’s what happens when you try to re-invent the wheel and add more complexity than needs to be. The Tritec, as unrefined and low-tech as maybe to some, is a bulletproof engine that features simple engineering, materials and design/construction. I absolutely love the supercharger noise and power delivery of my force induced TRITEC. The new turbo is not the same, period. Nice smooth engine, nice fuel economy, but devoid of “engine music” and the stock powerband is a little lacking in the upper ranges of the tach. The TRITEC still pulls away like a freight train at the same spot where the Turbo Prince starts to lose steam (Around 5,500 or so RPM).

The design defects of the Prince were never present in the Tritec. What an oxymoron, doesn’t it? Not bad for an engine that was designed in the Detroit of the mid-1990s.

]]> By: that.guy http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/comment-page-1/#comment-273359 that.guy Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:28:01 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=10377#comment-273359 <p>Why don't they just go back to the Tritec. An awesome, bombproof mill, imo.</p> Why don’t they just go back to the Tritec. An awesome, bombproof mill, imo.

]]> By: Goat http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/comment-page-1/#comment-273308 Goat Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:53:19 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=10377#comment-273308 <p>The knee-jerk scoffing comments many Americans make at the mention of France has always perplexed me. Putting that aside, the design flaws in the Prince inclusive of the throttle body design (icing) and camshaft lubrication (cold start clatter) are the legacy of BMW's R56 German engineering team, as doc states above. Taking nearly 3 production years to sort the problem, with many dealers denying the problem outright, and with dubious results as indicated by owners chiming in as above, is almost as bad as the poor engineering that led to the faulty design. (I am no fan of the Prince primarily for its powerband characteristics and sonic dullness, but that's another matter entirely.)</p> The knee-jerk scoffing comments many Americans make at the mention of France has always perplexed me. Putting that aside, the design flaws in the Prince inclusive of the throttle body design (icing) and camshaft lubrication (cold start clatter) are the legacy of BMW’s R56 German engineering team, as doc states above. Taking nearly 3 production years to sort the problem, with many dealers denying the problem outright, and with dubious results as indicated by owners chiming in as above, is almost as bad as the poor engineering that led to the faulty design. (I am no fan of the Prince primarily for its powerband characteristics and sonic dullness, but that’s another matter entirely.)

]]> By: KipperFillets http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/comment-page-1/#comment-273295 KipperFillets Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:45:28 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=10377#comment-273295 <p>My only convern is that if these engines are used across a wide range of manufacturers, MINI's advantage of fuel economy with performance will go. I've looked at small cars from MINI, Peugeot, Renault, VW, Ford and Vauxhall, and MINI are by far the best engines. The cars which are quicker are usually far less fuel-efficient or produce a lot of CO2. Once you remove the engine from the equation, cost will be a big minus for MINI compared to the other players.</p> My only convern is that if these engines are used across a wide range of manufacturers, MINI’s advantage of fuel economy with performance will go. I’ve looked at small cars from MINI, Peugeot, Renault, VW, Ford and Vauxhall, and MINI are by far the best engines. The cars which are quicker are usually far less fuel-efficient or produce a lot of CO2. Once you remove the engine from the equation, cost will be a big minus for MINI compared to the other players.

]]> By: lavardera http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/comment-page-1/#comment-273245 lavardera Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:56:14 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=10377#comment-273245 <p>torobud - did the return correspond with any weather or driving sequence that triggered it before? Or did not have a predictable situation in which you heard the noise? How long was it before the sound returned? Just curious if you have any pattern.</p> <p>I'm asking because mine was more frequent with cooler weather, and only occurred when idle for a number of hours following a very short trip. The weather I'm in now along with that driving pattern would have created it before - but its not happening now. Dealer claimed timing chain was stretched but more than that was replaced so I'm not sure if that was the cause. A chain could obviously stretch again, but that should not happen so fast unless something else is causing it.</p> torobud – did the return correspond with any weather or driving sequence that triggered it before? Or did not have a predictable situation in which you heard the noise? How long was it before the sound returned? Just curious if you have any pattern.

I’m asking because mine was more frequent with cooler weather, and only occurred when idle for a number of hours following a very short trip. The weather I’m in now along with that driving pattern would have created it before – but its not happening now. Dealer claimed timing chain was stretched but more than that was replaced so I’m not sure if that was the cause. A chain could obviously stretch again, but that should not happen so fast unless something else is causing it.

]]> By: torobud http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/comment-page-1/#comment-273242 torobud Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:01:29 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=10377#comment-273242 <p>Don't hold your breath on that one Lavardera... I had the same service bulletin performed and mine is BACK!</p> Don’t hold your breath on that one Lavardera… I had the same service bulletin performed and mine is BACK!

]]> By: that.guy http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/comment-page-1/#comment-273241 that.guy Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:53:51 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=10377#comment-273241 <p>Sorry, I meant more French <i>automotive</i> goodness! But I kid. I love crepes!</p> <p>But how about le block français? Casting only or assembled bottom end?</p> Sorry, I meant more French automotive goodness! But I kid. I love crepes!

But how about le block français? Casting only or assembled bottom end?

]]> By: lavardera http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/comment-page-1/#comment-273233 lavardera Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:09:29 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=10377#comment-273233 <p>cold start clatter is history for me. Dealer performed the service bulletin in August, and two months in its not returned. Still have to get through the winter, but I think they nailed this one much to my satisfaction.</p> cold start clatter is history for me. Dealer performed the service bulletin in August, and two months in its not returned. Still have to get through the winter, but I think they nailed this one much to my satisfaction.

]]> By: Dr Obnxs http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/comment-page-1/#comment-273232 Dr Obnxs Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:06:35 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=10377#comment-273232 <p>More French goodness? France was the source of our Statue of Liberty, pre-stressed concrete and tons of other stuff that makes our life better. just dissing the French because they're French is lazy.</p> <p>And the wonderfull cold start clatter is of German origin, as Gabe keeps (indirectly) pointing out.</p> <p>Matt</p> More French goodness? France was the source of our Statue of Liberty, pre-stressed concrete and tons of other stuff that makes our life better. just dissing the French because they’re French is lazy.

And the wonderfull cold start clatter is of German origin, as Gabe keeps (indirectly) pointing out.

Matt

]]> By: that.guy http://www.motoringfile.com/2009/10/27/psa-looking-to-strengthen-ties-with-bmwmini/comment-page-1/#comment-273222 that.guy Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:21:25 +0000 http://www.motoringfile.com/?p=10377#comment-273222 <p>More French goodness! Does PSA produce the block casting only, or an assembled bottom end (crank, rods, pistons, etc.)?</p> More French goodness! Does PSA produce the block casting only, or an assembled bottom end (crank, rods, pistons, etc.)?

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