Comments on: MINI to Release “S” and/or JCW Diesel Models

By: r.burns

r.burns — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:48:26 +0000

Well....... how can I say it ??? I LIKE Diesels

Yes !

But, not in the Mini, that just don't agree with MINI way of driving, that requires light-weight motors and a good sound

Can you figure out that diesel motors are heavier and so ! Understeer is the consequence, do you think the Mini isn't quite heavy on its front wheels ?

You are lucky to know only Cooper and Cooper S, can you imagine that the Cooper D is a lot louder, and more annoying, much more noisy than other modern TDI, because of the poor soundproofing ?

It is Reality, go, go read the many european reviews (translate.google.com)

it's always the same conclusion, Diesel just don't match Mini

I repeat I like modern diesel on other cars...

By: hank chinaski

hank chinaski — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:38:16 +0000

we don't need no stinkin' diesels & "I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal, food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction..."

let's skip diesels & go straight to pond-scum fuels.

By: James Irmiger

James Irmiger — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:59:44 +0000

I think I see where r.burns is coming from (especially after watching years of Top Gear), but the situation here in the States is a bit different. We're not even allowed the choice for a diesel. It doesn't matter if the car's a little heavier, or slower in a straight line, we want the option to choose just like the rest of the world!

Frankly, I don't think it matters one bit whether it's sporting or not. I vividly remember a Velvet Red R50 stuck to my R56S's bumper on one of the Las Vegas AMVIV group drives. Sure, I left it behind in the straights, but she caught up pretty quickly! I, for one, would much rather have fun driving a slow car fast, than a fast car slow!!!

Besides, my R56S clatters so much anyways, I don't think I'd notice the change ;)

By: r.burns

r.burns — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:39:41 +0000

(concerning the maintenance, it is about one third more expensive)

By: r.burns

r.burns — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:36:40 +0000

You don’t understand… I drive modern Diesels everyday for my work, so I know a little about these motors. There is still rattle at cold, and yes you discover that an aesthetic sound is part of Pleasure. Modern diesels below 180hp are not very funny, 200hp and more, are very astonishing BUT still not sporty. It is incredible American people need to do their own experience than trust other.

By: -=gRaY rAvEn=-

-=gRaY rAvEn=- — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:12:59 +0000

r.burns above seems to think Diesel engines of today are noisy, heavy, slow……

IN fact today they are just as quiet as gasoline powered engines, fast, torquey and have a lot lower maintenance than gasoline engines….

Not only is he mis-informed but he apparently he needs to be brought up to speed on the development of Diesel engines in the 21st century….they are kicking ass in Le Mans so much so they have to re-write their regulations………..

http://www.leftlanenews.com/audis-diesel-race-car-too-fast-for-its-own-good.html

Go MINI ! Great idea and progressive thinking

By: illegalhunter

illegalhunter — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:32:25 +0000

This would be a huge seller in the UK

By: r.burns

r.burns — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:00:27 +0000

@ACohen : I understand, I am not saying Diesel is evil, not at all. I am driving diesel as for my daily car, and in Europe we know modern diesels very well… But I am a little scared about the Emerican fascination for these motors, of course they are efficient, but in realty it is just not made for the cars to be driven for Pleasure. That is all I say. With our European experience.

By: Dean Cory

Dean Cory — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:29:20 +0000

First off they can't be Gabes because there is a MINI in the pix. Gabe sold his soul to the BMW Baddies!

Tease Tease Tease. This is worse than going to a strip bar. Go there and get ripped off. Just like when ever MINI says something about the diesel.

Face it folks. The USA is the largest market for MINIs in the known universe, and we ain't ever gonna get a MINI diesel. DB will find a way to get an iPhone on Verizon before MINI USA guives us a diesel.

Sure parts of the US get the MINI E... But I hear those aren't working out that well either.

By: Harry Dill

Harry Dill — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:25:33 +0000

It would make a heck of a lot more sense to see BMW focus on bringing the diesel to North America than spending resources developing and marketing the ridiculous Rolls-Royce edition … what’s next, a MINI Phantom with a twin-turbo W4? This is beyond bizarre, it is unadulterated nonsense. North American consumers need, want, and deserve the diesel. What are you waiting for Munich?

By: Ronald Campbell

Ronald Campbell — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:56:15 +0000

I’d buy one. Oh wait, I live in the US so I guess I wont be buying one.

By: ACohen

ACohen — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:40:35 +0000

@r.burns: Maybe take another look at diesels my friend. Modern diesels are every bit as quiet as modern gas engines and have a negligible amount of added weight mostly due to beefier rotating assembly to deal with the high compression ratios.

As for Porsche's comment, coming from a manufacturer that makes their money from high revving flat sixes, it should probably be taken as more subjective marketing than a motoring declaration that obviously doesn't hold true across all engines. Maybe ask Porsche where the 'pleasure' begins in a Cayenne. Or why a rotary is such a slug at 4000.

By: Steve

Steve — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:05:56 +0000

When I first saw the pics, I thought these were Gabe's last MINI! HA.

All car manufactures must begin and perfect a viable electric vehicle. It is the only answer to many of the world problems. I realize this task is difficult, but it should be the main focus for the future. Petrol (all forms)is limited.

In the short term, I am most intrested in the Refresh of the R56. I am planning to buy a MINI soon and need to know dates. I really don't want to wait another year. But, if the planned changes are minor, I'l go ahead and order. I'm looking at a JCW in the Black/Cream scheme like Gabe's. What do you think?

By: James Irmiger

James Irmiger — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:34:02 +0000

r.burns, ...or at least lots and lots of city miles! I would trade my S in in a heartbeat if we got any of the diesels here in the States. 90% of my driving is within 40 miles of my house and almost all of that is stop and go city driving, perfect for the diesel!

Maybe I missed something, but weren't the EU emission standards and the California standards nearly inline with each other? If the diesel is ok for their market, why not here?

By: r.burns

r.burns — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:16:09 +0000

No Diesel is NOT the perfect way...

1° Diesel motors weight a lot more, the Mini is already weighty on the front wheels...

2° Awful noise

3° Porsche says pleasure begins above 4000, and Diesels sleep at this level...

Diesels are only made for drivers who drive lots and lots of miles

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:57:02 +0000

I’m sure this car is (or will be) perfect. I think a MINI with 150HP+, incredibly fun to drive, and 50+ MPG would be one of the worlds greatest machines. However, I live in the United States and I will never get to see such a vehicle. I’m so glad I live in the greatest country in the world. Happy Thanksgiving.

By: JonPD

JonPD — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:20:42 +0000

Very cool development, it will be fun watching its development. Now only if Mini would ever bring a D to the US market, then again I don’t believe in fairy tails. If we ever see the Mini D in any form I would bet on it being in the R60 though I chuckle to myself about a ~40k base model Mini lol.

By: Axel

Axel — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:15:57 +0000

WTF!! not again the DIESEL BS, please STOP torturing me with this I want one and we here in NA wont get the damn thing so PLEASE stop advertising it LOL

By: Dr Obnxs

Dr Obnxs — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:07:24 +0000

The photographer sells the photos to everyone they can, and the outlets watermark the photos with thier particular branding. That's why you see the same photos everywhere with different watermarks.

Cool cars. too bad the US will never see them.

Matt

By: Greg Stasko

Greg Stasko — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:44:14 +0000

I would love either of these! "S" or a "JCW" with diesel engines!

For that matter, I'd love ANY flavor of a Mini with a diesel! Especially one of the new Countryman. Wonder if the US will ever see any Mini Diesels?

If my diesel lust continues, I'll likely be looking at either a new VW (Golf or Jetta) or a used Mercedes (E class or maybe even an ML).

Glad I'm not buying right now!