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US JCW GP Pricing & Delivery Details Announced

After what seemed to be an overly dramatic pause in information, MINI USA is lifting the veil on the GP in the US market. Yesterday they announced GP pricing to dealers via a bulletin that outlined standard equipment, allocation and timing. They still technically haven’t made this information public but give how they expect to sell the cars, we know they will shortly.

Check out the pricing and other info after the break.

The GP will retail for $39,950 including destination. While it’s a price almost $7,000 more than the 2006 R53 GP, the R56 GP promises to offer a more uncompromising experience and a more track focused set-up. We’ll get into what that money buys in a moment. But first here’s a quick look at other key facts:

  • 500 slotted to US market
  • Each dealer gets one car.
  • All other cars will be available via a toll free number Mid-November with current GP owners getting first crack
  • Standard JCW wheels and run flats available for $100
  • Special delivery for 50-100 in early March (details TDB)
  • US market gets Bluetooth, auto climate control, flat load floor, standard radio and Recaros.
  • MINIUSA is working on numbering each car imported tithe US (similar to the 2006 GP)

The Engine

At the heart of the new GP is an extensively modified JCW engine capable of developing 160 kW/ 218 hp. The responsive power and excellent revving ability of the MINI John Cooper Works GP’s 1.6-litre four-cylinder engine may not be reflected in gaudy performance figures but it should provide better performance and feel. Among the highlights are the aluminium cylinder block and bearing mounts, reinforced pistons, sturdier cylinder head, low-weight crankshafts and sodium-filled exhaust valves. It’s unclear at this time how different (if at all) the turbo unit is from the stock JCW but we do know that the engine isbaesd on the new Valvetronic version of the JCW engine which helps to maximise engine responsiveness and efficiency.

According to MINI the powerplant responds instantly to throttle commands and delivers maximum torque of 260 Newton metres from just 1,750 rpm. For extra punch when accelerating, peak torque can be increased for short periods to 280 Nm from 2,000 rpm, thanks to the overboost function. Maximum power of 160 kW/218 hp is delivered at 6,000 rpm. It is transferred to the wheels via a six-speed manual transmission that is carried over from the stock JCW.

Thanks to the extra power, the MINI John Cooper Works GP a 0 to 62 mph time of 6.3 seconds. Sounds quite conservative to us but then again BMW is known to play it very safe when providing 0-62 figures. Perhaps more impressive is mid-range acceleration; 80 to 120 km/h (50–75 mph) time in fifth gear is just 5.9 seconds. Top speed is a drag limited 242 km/h (150 mph).

Design

With its distinctive appearance, the MINI John Cooper Works GP is in no way subtle. The body is painted in the exclusive color Thunder Grey metallic, with red for the edging round the bonnet opening as well as for the exterior mirror caps and the side air intakes in the front apron. John Cooper Works insignia appear on the lower air intake and the tailgate. The final proof of identity is provided by “GP”-badged side stripes running between the front and rear wheel arches. Notably gone are the individually numbered stickers above the doors. The reason given? There are so many unlucky numbers in certain Asian cultures that MINI felt it was better to lessen the visibility of the individual numbers. At this time it’s unclear whether MINI will attempt to give each a number at all. Our guess is no.

The standard specification of the MINI John Cooper Works GP includes xenon headlights in black shells, foglamps, sun protection glazing, air conditioning, DSC with special GP mode, and a Sport button.

Interior

The feel is continued inside by an interior ambience which, partly due to the absence of a rear seat bench, is focused entirely on the needs of the driver and “co-driver”, both of whom sit comfortably in Recaro sports seats with special GP stitching. A cargo guard prevents items from sliding forward out of the luggage compartment in sporty driving situations. The John Cooper Works thick-rimmed leather steering wheel and the gearshift knob with chrome ring and red shift diagram help give the driver a more direct feel for the car. Finally, with features like the anthracite roof liner, the piano black interior surfaces and door grips, and the anthracite rev counter and speedometer dials, this interior also helps to improve the driver’s concentration and focus on the road.

Weight

DIN Unladen weight of the GP is 2,557 lbs. How does that compare to a stock JCW hatch? Not as well as one would expect. According to MINI UK the DIN unladen weight of the R56 JCW 2,513. Why is the GP heavier despite losing the rear seats? And how did the original GP lose the 80 lbs it did over the standard R53? Let’s start with why the new GP isn’t lighter. The truth is we don’t have all the answers yet but we can start with what’s new on the car. For one the GP has substantially larger brakes than any MINI before it. Brakes that aren’t aluminum and are in fact rather heavy. Then there’s the more robust suspension and wider wheels and tires. It may not sound like much but it could easily add up to an extra 44 lbs.

So how did the original MINI lose just under 100 lbs? One of the biggest losses was the replacement of steel rear control arms with R56 based aluminum versions. It’s one major component of the loss in weight that the R56 based GP already has built into it’s base design.

Suspension & Brakes

The MINI John Cooper Works GP’s exclusive suspension technology relies heavily on motor sport. For the first time on a MINI, it features an individually adjustable coilover suspension, which allows ride height to be lowered by up to 20 millimetres. Among other things, this means the suspension set-up can be fine-tuned to different circuit conditions whenever the MINI goes out onto the track.

The front shock absorbers are mounted upside down in the tube, with the piston rod pointing down, in order to increase longitudinal and lateral stiffness.

The front camber has been increased compared with the regular MINI John Cooper Works, so that the performance potential of the sports tyres – which differ significantly from road tyres – can be used to full effect, without the penalties of early understeer, inevitably leading to increased tyre wear. Other features include reduced front-wheel toe-in and increased rear camber, which alters the forward weight transfer so as to give more speed and more neutral steering when driving close to the limit. At the same time, the reduced toe-in improves agility and cornering confidence.

Track-worthy braking performance is provided by the MINI John Cooper Works GP’s racing-derived sports brake system, featuring six-piston fixed-calliper disc brakes, vented at the front. The front discs are 330 millimetres in diameter and 25 millimetres thick, with 280 x 10 mm discs at the rear. The low-weight 17-inch alloy wheels, again exclusive to the MINI John Cooper Works GP, run on high-traction 215/40 R17 sports tyres. Optionally, standard-size 205/45 R17 tyres are available on the same wheels, offering a good sporty balance between performance and good handling in wet or low-temperature conditions. The 7.5 x 17 H2 ET45 wheels, which were specially developed for the MINI John Cooper Works GP, are derived from the MINI Challenge race car, and feature lightweight contours on flow-formed rims.

On the MINI John Cooper Works GP, the DSC Dynamic Stability Control is not combined with DTC, as would normally be the case, but with a special GP racing mode. Under hard driving, the driver may often not want ASC engine power reduction cutting in, so instead this system offers just ASC braking, based on the EDLC (Electronic Differential Lock Control) subfunction. The EDLC software brakes the wheel on the inside of the turn, and the drive power that would otherwise be lost at this wheel is redirected to the outer wheel, where the contact forces are greater.

Aero

The aerodynamic body parts like the large front and rear aprons, striking side sills and model-specific roof spoiler not only add to the appearance but also play an important part in controlling air flow. The rear diffusor, together with the underside panelling (some of which was taken from the Cooper SD) and the roof-edge spoiler, reduce lift forces at the rear axle by 90 per cent, for impeccable handling control even under high-speed cornering and when driving at or near the limit. We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again; this GP isn’t about weight loss as much as it is suspension and aero.

A six per cent reduction in drag is reflected in improved fuel economy and a higher top speed. The air flow round the front of the car has been significantly improved with the help of a large spoiler and full aerodynamic shielding of the engine compartment underside. This aerodynamic shield not only reduces drag and front axle lift, but also improves air flow through the engine compartment. Slits in the centre of the shield help to expel air from the intercooler. The slits are situated in an area of fast air flow and high vacuum force, so that the air is literally sucked out of the engine compartment, thereby improving the performance of the intercooler.

Unlike the first GP, MINI now has access to BMW’s new industry leading wind-tunnel at its Environmental Testing Center in Munich. That gave the team developing the GP more opportunity to carefully hone the aero both on the bottom and the top of the car.

A Different GP

Even though the styling of the new GP is very reminiscent of the old, MINI’s making a clear change in direction with this GP. This is a car that was engineered from the ground-up to be exceptional on the track as well as the street. The first GP was created quickly with a number of accessory parts. The new GP seems as it’s cut from a noticeably different cloth. Designed, engineered and then tested over two years, the new JCW GP is a car much closer to an M product than any MINI before it.

No there’s no weight loss. And no there are no big power gains. But in talking with the GP’s head of development, Jorg Weidinger, it became clear that he wasn’t just a product manager for MINI but a racer with more than 15 years experience at the professional level. A quick online search and you’ll find Mr. Weidinger’s personal racing site with his full history dating back to 1994. Why is this a big deal? The GP’s development wasn’t led by a marketer, but by a racer with years of experience at the ‘Ring and throughout Europe’s best tracks. This is why the GP has 17″ wheels, non-runflat tires. This is why the suspension is full adjustable and why the brakes are unusually large for such a light car.

Even if final power and weight figures disappoint some, we expect this GP to easily be the fastest and most track focused MINI to date. And we can thank Mr. Weidinger and his team for bringing new thinking reminiscent of BMW M to the JCW GP brand.

We’ll have MUCH more on the GP in the days and weeks ahead.

MINI JCW GP Final Specifications (PDF)

MINI JCW GP Interior, Exterior & Engine Photos

MINI United Debut Photos

Official GP Photos

Written By: Gabe

  • that.guy

    What is the cost of the Tacky Sticker Delete Option?

    • Kurtster

      Give yours to me. I’ll put them on my Coupe. I like them.

      • that.guy

        Never underestimate the taste of the American consumer…

      • sosays

        you mean your “flamboyant” coupe?

        • that.guy

          [not understanding]

        • asdf

          check the article a few back with the two red minis, official mini usa document calls the coupe flamboyant in the first paragraph

    • canine

      Why oh why do they take a fantastic car and slap such crappy graphics on it. Please bitch slap the designer that suggested the side stripe It will only solidify the cartoonish perception people already have of the Mini and put it in a class with roadrunners and most cars built in the 80’s

  • JackMac

    Are you reporting that MINI USA selling these cars directly to consumers (other than the 100 car allocations to dealers)?

    • http://bridger.us/ Gabriel Bridger

      No it’s a reservation line just as BMWNA has used for muted edition M3s over the past 18 months. That means you call and put a deposit down via phone that is then transferred to your dealer of choice where the sale is handled.

      • JackMac

        Thanks for the clarification Gabe.

      • jeff

        does that mean if you purchase via the phone number the dealer has to honor the price? or do they get a chance to add a markup?

        • http://bridger.us/ Gabriel Bridger

          Unclear. Although I’ll be surprised if there’s that much mark-up. There were a few GPs sitting on lots the last time with around 400. With 500 I’m sure everyone who is looking to buy will be able to.

        • JackMac

          Exactly. I suspect the dealers are happy with this new arrangement, since they only need to commit to one car each.

        • Kurtster

          Agreed. Especially since they’re sitting on boatloads of Goodwoods that will never sell until they drop $10k

        • VanMINI

          or ship ‘em to HK

        • VanMINI

          My dealer in Vancouver has already presold 4 on a pre allocation of 5. there will only be 50 avaialble for Canada

  • MrsDarcy

    I’m so happy they have finally come out with pricing for the US, but I’m a little peeved that the dealers are allowed to markup the GP. From what I hear, dealers are marking them up $2,500 +. Doesn’t matter what they mark them up to, It’s such a limited production (100) they’re going to sell them. I’m pretty sure that’s considered price gouging… MINI USA should be monitoring this.

    • RedAFMINI

      I completely agree. Where do they get off? It’s the definition of price gauging! The MINI representative I’ve talked to said that dealers were allowed to mark up vehicles as they saw fit. Doesn’t look like they care about us…

      • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

        MSRP = Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price. “Suggested” being the key word there. Keep in mind that MINI USA does not run the dealers, so if you have vitriol regarding that mark-up, just make sure it’s directed at the correct party. It underscores just how valuable it is to work with a good dealer as well. I only wish I could say they were all good dealers. We’ve talked about this on WRR several times — some dealers don’t really “get it” and are much more concerned with an opportunistic buck and pushing sheet metal off the lot. Thankfully though, those dealers tend to be the minority. It’s not illegal to buy a car across state lines, so hunt around.

    • JackMac

      The price gouging concerns are premature. My local dealer has zero markup and zero on the waiting list.

      • Anonymous

        What dealer is that?

      • Kurtster

        I was so excited about this car and I am first on the waiting list at my dealer thanks to a deposit I put down on it months ago, but I’m giving mine up. March is too long to wait (through the dead of winter) and there are just too many cool features that aren’t available for the GP and the unique features it has are ones that I’ll hardly ever get to use unless I’m taking it to the Nurburgring sometime in my life.

        I mean seriously, 0-60 and top speed are both almost the exact same speed as a JCW Coupe. There just aren’t enough freeway onramps that I need to take at 60 mph to warrant giving up MINI Connected which I’ll use every day. From al the reviews I’ve read the JCW Coupe will turn more heads too. I’m sure people who track their cars will love it though.

        • JackMac

          You are going to like the JCW Coupe. I drove one and the reinforced structure cobmined with lower center of gravity create a noticable improvement in handling over the JCW hardtop. The GP2 brings a handful of additional creature comforts for safety. Xenons and Bluetooth for example. But I like the ‘less is more’ approach of the GP and glad that they resisted adding many other options.

    • jppd

      I will bet that the markup is more than $2500. My dealer is looking at $5k. Remember we are talking about one car per dealer.

  • Ike

    When they said under 40k… I expected a bit more than $50…

    • http://twitter.com/my99mini debbie cortinovis

      I agree with you here!

  • aa

    honestly does anyone even really care anymore

  • http://twitter.com/my99mini debbie cortinovis

    -So this will NOT come out till March 2013?? -Standard JCW wheels and run flats available for $100….as opposed to what? The wheels that we have seen in EVERY pic of the GP is that NOT the standard wheel that will come on it already??

    -Well these cars be numbered on the roof like the last GPs?? -On top of that price…there will be a dealer fee? WTH?

    • b-

      The wheels on the car in the picture are the standard GP wheels that feature a kuhmo non run flat tire. The $100 option is for a set or R112 Challenge Spoke wheels with a run flat tire. The kuhmos were reportedly a track tire, less good for the street.

      • mike74jcw

        Treadwear rating is just 50 according to the official bulletin from my MA…….very soft compound tire (i.e. grippy), short wear duration, very not good in cold/bad weather….like below 45F or so…

      • akng

        Nevermind about the tires, if paying another $100 will replace the standard GP wheels with a set of R112 wheels, that would be pretty stupid. I mean, I am buying the GP, so I want the GP wheels not the R112 wheels. On the other hand, if paying the extra $100 will give me an extra set of wheels, namely the R112 with whatever runflats, that would make it a must have option especially for people who would want another set of rims for winter LOL!!! I doubt that’s the case though! :(

  • akng

    So does it not come with an alarm then?

    • JackMac

      Alarm is included, as well as Sirus sat radio, Bluetooth, and automatic climate control.

    • brt356

      …and heated seats.

      • MrsDarcy

        I believe heated seats come with the Recaros…

        • http://bridger.us/ Gabriel Bridger

          Yes standard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Peterson/1678099686 Chris Peterson

    I can’t help but to compare it to the 1M and that said it’s overpriced.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tryon.lippincott Tryon Lippincott

    I call bullshit on all previous GP owners being able to have first crack. Also I am not getting one.

    • JackMac

      Look, it is mostly marketing hype. They are allowing for 9 months of marketing between product launch and product release. It will take most of that time to find 500 US buyers. I’m sure that anyone who doesn’t procrastinate to long can easily order one. Check back in a month (or two or three) and see.

  • IowaM1N1

    And as a reminder…the WhiteRoof Radio guesses of GP pricing from episode #424:

    Todd: 34.9

    Chad: 36.2

    Nathaniel: 35.5

    db: 33.6

    Gabe: absent

    • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

      Oh man.

    • JackMac

      Nice! I think overall it is in line with expectations, maybe leaning to the high end. If you build a similarly optioned JCW hardtop, then factor for the 6 pot brakes, adjustable coilovers, CF rear wing, rear diffuser (and questionable graphics :) then it really is not a bad deal at all.

    • http://bridger.us/ Gabriel Bridger

      Later I was on the record for 39. Just sayin :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=523665212 Todd Pearson

      You gotta look more recently, long about episode 430-431 from July I updated my prediction to $39,900. We got additional information during MTTS so my original estimate was low. Needless to say, we all agreed on $37K-$40K which it turned out to be.

  • JackMac

    Just read the internal release. US cars to be numbered!

  • HH

    I’m getting an Abarth….

    • r.burns

      9:09.00 on the Nordschleife Shame….

      • HH

        Yeah, I live in America and I don’t care about Nordschleife or whatever. the point is that i can buy two Abarths for the price of one GP. Abarth half the price and GP is not twice as fast as Abarth so…

        • Blainestang

          And a Nissan GTR isn’t 4 times faster than an Abarth. RIP OFF!!!! I see where you’re coming from, but the GP is, by no means, comparable to the Abarth. The Abarth’s closest competition is an R56 Cooper S.

        • HH

          ah…. I knew someone would catch me on that.. well done.

        • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

          And even then, the Cooper S is still a much better car, especially if you want to drive it fast. The Abarth is a ton of fun below 75 mph, but it’s a little scary above that.

        • http://bridger.us/ Gabriel Bridger

          Interesting equation you’re supporting. Regardless having lived with the Abarth (look in the review section for the piece) and soon to drive the GP I’ll have my opinion on these pages shortly. But as someone who drives a JCW daily I can certainly see how a GP would hold up very well against your theoretical argument and $26,000 Abarth I tested.

        • HH

          i’m scheduled to test drive the Abarth this weekend… and i’m gonna test drive the Focus ST also (just for fun). I know that Abarth is no JCW… but the JCW i would get costs about 11k more than the Abarth. Considering the price and everything, i’m leaning towards the Abarth right now…

        • Kurtster

          I test drove the Focus ST. Check out how the headliner doesn’t seem fully attached to the ceiling where it meets the sunroof. Drop the back seat and notice the cheap-looking black styrofoam inserted there to prevent squeaks or something. Grasp the top of the three-guage cluster on the dash and lift gently and be amazed as the whole dash moves up with it. Even at $10k less than the Coupe I’m buying, the ST definitely looked cheaper in build quality and fit and finish. Driving? No comparison. The JCW feels more responsive, more aggressive and just tighter all around. If even feels faster even though on paper they are practically twins in 0-60 performance and top speed.

        • that.guy

          @8e58400ad3757aea3756d57d300422db:disqus You should fInd yourself a low-mile R53 JCW. At 150k mine was still completely solid when I sold it, even though I had tweaked it up to 200whp at 50k and drive it HARD for the next 100k. Only true repair I had to do was a steering pump at 110k for $600. Otherwise wear and tear items only. The R56+ cars feel like a Camry in comparison imo, mainly due to the watered-down steering and weak-sauce turbo mills. Not that there is anything wrong with a Camry.

        • asdfasdf

          that doesnt even make any sense

        • http://bridger.us/ Gabriel Bridger

          I think it’s pretty clear. The Fiat is more than 10,000 less of a car than the JCW I drive daily. It’s still loads of fun but it’s simply not going to win many head to head comparisons with a JCW even with the price factored into the equation. IMHO.

        • HH

          Gabe, so you own a mini… how’s the reliability? The only thing that scares me about Mini is that the engine (or the car itself) is just not reliable. From alot of the reviews i read, they all talk about how FUN or how fast is it but they also talk about how SHITTY it is as far as maintenance and reliability… what’s your personal experience? Not that I trust Fiat any more than Mini… i’m just giving it a shot

        • http://bridger.us/ Gabriel Bridger

          I’ve had five. Like most every car they’re not 100% perfect but each one has gotten closer to it. The Countryman I put 12k on last year was at the dealer once. The Roadster I’ve put 4k on has been nothing but perfect. By and large the Fiats I’ve tested haven’t felt as tightly screwed together. Not that they’re bad cars for the money but there’s a distinct difference in the feel both cars have when it comes to construction and quality.

        • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

          Gabe can obviously speak for himself, but for what it’s worth, I’ve got 90,000 miles on my MINI, which I’ve owned since new, and I’ve had very few issues. It’s been towed exactly once, when the thermostat housing failed. My out-of-warranty costs so far are about $500 out of pocket, and $200 of that was discretionary. It’s due for about $500 worth of long-term maintenance work (torn shock top and worn out control arm bushings), but otherwise, it’s been like a clock. Just keeps going. Our WRR co-host, Don Burnside, is fast approaching 300,000 miles on his MINI. People who have issues are the most likely to be vocal about them, but they’re not in the majority of actual owner experience. We’re also finding that the reliability experience people have with their MINIs is usually pretty proportional to how well they take care of it. For example, are they checking their oil regularly? Are they getting scheduled maintenance done on time? The oil is the big one. Lots of R56-generation owners have had trouble with their cars because the oil level was neglected. No car runs well for very long without oil. On the other hand, some folks end up with a bad car. That’s not unique to MINI though. My sister would up with a Toyota Corolla that never would act right.

        • HH

          Nate, Gabe That’s good to know… thanks for that. I wish i can test drive a JCW… its hard to find out just laying around. I’m going to test drive all… no worries. Would it be wrong to think JCW is close to Cooper S? Cause I might have to order a JCW based on a Cooper S test drive.

          I test drove the ST today and it was alright… the recaro seat was awesome… that was pretty much the best thing about that car.

        • Hemisedan

          I’m another very satisfied 2011 r56 JCW owner. Just rolled over 22K this week, and it’s two years old this next week. Problems? Nothing, other than a thermostat housing, then the dealer neglected in putting the lower radiator hose clamp back on. Not the JCW’s fault there. In these two years, no problems, better gas mileage than the sticker by 4 mpg usually, and no rattles. I don’t know where these guys get all the problems from, unless they just beat the crap out of them. Oil changes and checking the oil is probably the culprit lots of times. I change mine at 5K.

        • Kurtster

          I hear you HH. The Abarth is a really nice car. I’m placing my order for my JCW Coupe this week since I can’t wait until March for the GP, but I did look at the Fiat 500 and was very impressed. It’s a solid car for the money. It’s not in the same performance bracket as the JCW or GP MINI but that doesn’t mean it’s anything less of a fun car to own.

          I considered the Gucci Edition Fiat 500. For me, style is just as important as performance. I have to love the styling or I’ll feel queasy about my purchase every time I walk up to my ugly car and think about how much it cost me. For my needs, the MINI has the right balance of German BMW engineering, British car heritage, stylish, unique looks and very, very fun drivability. For what I’m spending on this new coupe I could have bought a Subaru Impreza WRX (ugly) a Mustang GT (rear wheel drive not so good for snow), a Golf R (to ordinary looking for me), or an Audi TT (with no options and kind of drab looking to me), or as you said, two Fiats.

          I don’t know what the Fiat community is like, but the MINI community is one I’ve been a part of since 2004 and they have terrific national events sponsored by MINI like Mini Takes the States and local events sponsored by clubs. The lineage is rich with great, interesting looking cars that were owned by the likes of John Lennon and Peter Sellers.

          The tightness of the steering, the exhaust note, snug interior, airplane cockpit-styled interior and the lack of turbo-lag make driving a Mini more fun than anything I’ve owned before. I have a 2000 M Roadster that has more slop in the steering wheel than the Mini. Frankly, in the corners, the M roadster feels huge and a little boat-like compared the Mini (but it’s HUGE fun when I mash the pedal :-)

          Buy whatever you like. I don’t think the quality of workmanship on the Fiat holds up to that of the MINI, but you can’t expect half the cost without some areas of difference. Enjoy whatever you get!

    • piper

      Great! … good move.

  • piper

    too, too, too much money for a far less than super MINI that many had expected to see.

  • beck

    dealer markups are on the MINI’s because they can only sell so many through out the year. and the dealers that have dealer markups screw it all up too! they sell some for a bunch over MSRP, and then whore out the MINI’s when the end of the month comes around. It would be nice if it was just MSRP and thats it, no discounts, thats it. people want car sales to change and be a plesant experiance to buy a car…then the buyer has to change and purchase your car at your local dealer. I’ve always stayed in my local market and always will. people who save $50 to drive 300 miles to another dealer are stupid…

    • Dr Obnxs

      What about $2500? Local dealers have always had large mark-ups, and because of that I’ve never bought from them….

  • Ike

    “engine may not be reflected in gaudy performance figures but it should provide better performance and feel”

    How can it perform better when it doesn’t perform better?

    • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

      By making better use of the power it has.

      The post-2011 refresh engines in the Cooper S didn’t make hardly any more power, but the delivery of that power was smoother and more immediate. There was also a bump in efficiency. Both improvements were thanks to Valvetronic and the updated JCW engine is now benefiting in the same way.

      • Ike

        Nathaniel,

        I understand performance figures to mean acceleration, top speed etc (I take the word specs to disclose HP etc). If the performance figures (0-60, 0-100 etc) are the same, then is it really performing better?

        Did I misunderstand?

        • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

          “Performance” is a pretty subjective term. Better power delivery coming out of a corner will drop track times, even if 0-60 times are equivalent. Stats don’t really seem to mean much in the real world. Mini and MINI have been out performing cars with more horsepower and higher top speeds for half a century. It’s all about how you use what you’ve got. Furthermore, any MINI, especially a JCW, is more than the sum of its stats. It’s a refinement package as much as a performance package. And unless you’re chasing hundredths of a second on the race course, what really matters is how the car feels. The refreshed engines are more efficient and they feel better, and that’s right on target with MINI’s intentions.

        • Ike

          Nathaniel,

          I appreciate the reply. I read through the entire article – where do you think we’ll see the most improvement with the GP over the Cooper S JCW (off the track)?

          Do you think being SO track-oriented, it will be inappropriate or uncomfortable as an everyday driver?

        • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

          I estimate that the most significant improvements in track performance will be had because of better aerodynamics and those MASSIVE front brakes. Also keep in mind that BMW and MINI are notorious for conservative 0-60 times and final power outputs, especially on specialty cars like this one. Actual acceleration and hp will likely be faster and higher than listed. Every day ride comfort is going to be pretty subjective. One person’s “rough ride” is another person’s “good road feedback.” MINI intends the car to be usable as an every-day driver, and our information says that it’s a JCW suspension adjusted for this specific car’s setup, not some track-spec setup. So it ought to be as comfortable as the normal JCW suspension on a hardtop, but again, it’s subjective as to whether or not that’ll be comfortable for YOU.

        • that.guy

          Re ride quality: 17″ wheels and conventional tires will no doubt take a lot of edge off the ride versus a JCW on 18s and runflats.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Smith/1742553353 Mark Smith

    Well for all of you who know who I am and where I work we never sell over MSRP. Our late owner would never allow it even on the most exclusive of BMW’s or MINI’s. This car should sell for what the suggested price is and then that person can add whatever they want later if they so want to. It’s only fair and this is coming from someone in the business.

  • http://www.facebook.com/coop0589 Lawrence Allen

    So it’s no longer under the 40k stated price? Been hearing that it’s now $41,700. Is this true?


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1st Gen MINI
R50: One & MC Hatch
R52: All 1st Gen MINI Convt.
R53: MCS Hatch
2nd Gen MINI
R55: Clubman
R56: Hatch
R57: Convertible
R58: Coupe
R59: Roadster
R60: MINI Crossover
R61: MINI Crossover Coupe
3rd Gen MINI
F54: Clubman
F55: Five Door Hatch
F56: Hatch
F57: Convertible
F60: MINI Crossover
F58: Traveller

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