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Rumor: MINI May Axe Coupe, Roadster and Paceman in F-generation

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MINI and BMW executives keep dropping more and more indicators that several current MINI models don’t have a future in this new generation of cars. This latest round of revelations came via Oliver Friedmann, head of MINI brand management, in a conversation with Auto News. Instead of a wide cross-section of model variants, Friedmann says MINI’s new strategy is to focus on three “pillar” cars to ground the product lineup in what MINI is all about. Those models? The F56 hardtop hatch, the next generation Countryman, and the next generation Clubman which we saw in concept at Geneva.

When asked about the Coupe and the Roadster, Friedmann said “It’s not decided but most probably this is not a priority,” and used similar terms to describe the possible fate of the Paceman, the two-door Countryman variant. The language is telling, if we read between the lines a little bit. It would appear MINI has shifted strategy focus from establishing the brand to maximizing its profitability. By culling the lineup and staying focused on what they know will sell, MINI can likely forecast a stable future for itself. Yet don’t take this to mean that MINI will only sell three cars. That’s not going to happen. The shift is that MINI will go from being focused on a single car (the hardtop hatch) and close-orbit spin offs of that car like we’ve seen in the R-generations, to three distinct hero models that will each have their variations.

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For example, the Hardtop Hatch will still have a convertible version — we’ve already seen the test mules in spy shots. The Hardtop Hatch will also have a 5-door version, the F55, which we’ve also seen more and more of in test form of late. That’s three cars centered around the F56 Hardtop Hatch as a “pillar” vehicle.

Then, we have the F54, the new Clubman that we saw previewed just last week at Geneva. Closer to the Countryman in size, this new sport wagon model satisfy customer demand for that little more room, two extra doors, that little more utility and expected AWD in a fully street-focused model. At this time, we don’t know of any off-shoots of the new Clubman, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t any in the works.

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Lastly, we have the F60 Countryman — perhaps the most mysterious of MINI’s F-generation cars so far. What we do know is that the F60 will be more SUV-focused than the current R60 Countryman. It will be larger, and variations might include an MPV-style people mover that could seat seven. There are even indications that the Countryman “pillar” car might have third row seating to handle seven passengers.

In a way, it seems like MINI is doing what it’s been doing — having several strategic model variants to widen their customer appeal — but they’ve spread the brand into three distinct starting points, rather than just one. Is it really a new strategy, or better framing and execution of what MINI’s done since 2007. It also sounds like MINI is responding to their own sales history, which makes sense. Sell the cars that sell.

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So when will we see the niche favorites like the twins and the Paceman go away? We’ve already reported on how the hardtop-based Clubman is ceasing production because its foundation car has been replaced. Since the Coupe/Roadster are based on the current generation convertible, expect them to be phased out around 2016-17. As for the Paceman, again, follow the foundation. When the new Countryman hit the market around 2017, the Paceman’s days are likely numbered.

What do you think? Are three pillars better than one? Sound off in the comments.

Via: Auto News

Written By: Nathaniel Salzman

  • John

    They can make as many models as they want. I just hope more money is spent on making a solid, fun, RELIABLE small car…

  • Mark Rosenthal

    …just makes me want a Paceman even more.

    • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

      I think in the long run, the Paceman is going to be one of those super rare MINIs that a lot of people will always be excited to see. I’ve been tempted myself.

      • David Williams

        We thought a long time last year about what we wanted in our next car. We had to have something that would get around in deep snow and yet was still fun and stylish. The Paceman All4 was the perfect car for that. After 3 months with it I am surprised that they don’t sell better. They are so much better looking than the Countryman and are easier to get in and out of. With the models listed above I am hoping they do a 2 door version of the new Clubman.

      • Kev50027

        It’s a great looking car, but that price! For that price, you could get a much nicer equipped car from just about any other company. It’s simply not worth it. Also there’s the issue of it being slower than the hatch and less practical than the countryman. Nissan integrated 4 doors into a hatch looking like…thing with the Juke. Why not make the Paceman the new Countryman and throw in some doors? It just looks so much better than the Countryman.

      • Vhyper1985

        Thought the Super Rare model in the States at least would be the ClubVan since there were hardly any sold

        • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

          True, but turning a Clubman into a Clubvan is a matter of swapping a few parts (mostly removing stuff). Turning a Countryman into a Paceman would be a bit more …involved.

  • ulrichd

    I still hope there will be room for the Rocketman in the future, especially since all MINI models have grown in size.

  • SPICYJCWCOUPE

    As an owner of a 2012 JCWCOUPES, among the 1st sold here in Fl in Oct. 2011, I’d be interested in finding a website that shows how many Coupes, & even more specifically the JCW Coupe, have been sold in the No American market so far in these 1st 2 years 5 months.

    I know that sales on a monthly basis hasn’t averaged more than 100 & that’s the total for all 3 Coupe models. Since the JCW probably accounts for the lowest % among the 3 models, I’d be surprised if that one accounts for more than 30/ month over the 29 month period, meaning less than 900 built for the No Am market so far. Would be a very rare model if discontinued……..

    • LTLMCPE

      Check out James Day’s updates on Facebook and NAM. He’s been tracking coupe sales since the beginning. Not sure if it breaks down JCW’s to others though. I too have an October 2011 delivered JCW coupe!

  • Goonery

    Our JCWRoadster was always a long term keeper, this just makes the future easier to predict, its the best MINI I’ve ever had (and I’ve had a lot since 2001)

    • Gary

      Couldn’t agree more. My R59 is my favorite among all of the MINIs I’ve owned…and now it will be for many years to come. :-)

  • dr

    Oh…If only I had the resources of Leno……I would be sealing away one of each for auction in 30yrs time….No doubt that these are the collector cars of the future!

  • Evan

    Seems appropriate as a new way to frame something that is essentially the same as it has been. All current MINIs are essentially off of the R56 platform. All future MINIs will be off of UKL which actually means more variation on essentially one platform. It’s seems like it’s more three pillars of size.

    Seems like the F60 will follow the next X1 by a year (a 2017 model in the end of 2016 versus a 2016 model in the end of 2015)- does this mean the current R60 will get a formal LCI this fall? My wife wants a Countryman All4 Manual however we’ll wait for the LCI if it’s happening soon. It’s unclear what it would be since there the minor interior revisions with the Paceman’s debut last year. I’m sure there’ll be an update on this soon. Thx.

    • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

      I think in the end the real difference will be that the variants will be much more different from each other than they are today — full separate models. It may also mean that unlike what we had previously though, MINIs may have three overall size ranges rather than just two, but that’s just speculation.

  • BimmerFile_Michael

    I recently saw a strange MINI prototype- it was in between a countryman and clubman in ride height and the proportions were more similar to a BMW. If it wasn’t wearing the black and yellow swirls I would have never thought it was a MINI but at the same time it might be an early drivetrain mule and have nothing to do with the actual body housing it.

    I still think that MINI will have the same number of models as present (minus 1 because of the Paceman) but those models will be more inline with what mass customers want to reach profitability. With BMW possibly abandoning bringing the 2 Series Active Tourer stateside that would open up a product for MINI… (just saying)

    • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

      I for one would love to see a hardtop convertible Roadster in the next generation, but that might just be me.

      • BimmerFile_Michael

        The trouble is the roof- if they were to share components with another model or brand (there are indicators) it could happen. The hard top on the Z4 has always made it lack the value proposition that BMW wanted but it had to do it to take the car up range. With the Z2/3 being rumored there is not reason that it could not share with MINI and the Toyota MR3 etc… there are many scenarios still playing out.

        • Mysticeti

          I’d buy a retractable hard top MINI. If it was 2 seats all the better.

    • les

      I hope BMW decides to bring the 2 Series Active Tourer to the US. I have an E90 I’m waiting to trade in on a 2 Series Active Tourer with eDrive.

  • SPICYJCWCOUPE

    So the Coupe, Roadster, & Pacemen may be phased out by 2016-17 while still being fitted with the ‘older’ R series technology over these final 2-3 years. Meanwhile all the other R series models would acquire newer more efficient engines & other technology as they become the next generation F series over the upcoming 1-2 years beginning with the F56 at dealers next month. Would be hard pressed to make a case for a salesperson to push a sale for an R series while a more efficient newer technology F series model is parked next to it in the dealer’s lot!!

    • dr

      Sales guy: Just look at it the F…

      Buyer: You’re right, I will take the R

    • Dr Obnxs

      They’ve done it before. The cabrio outlasted the coupe at the first change over. While we all care about the details, there are a lot of buyers who buy on looks and the like. They won’t even notice that one is on a new platform and one isn’t.

      • SPICYJCWCOUPE

        To Dr Obnxs & dr….you’re both right! The convertible went on for a few years longer with the same running gear etc after the R56 came to be with its updated engine, etc. There are those that will prefer the looks of one of the remaining new 2013 R56’s still on the lot over the complete makeover F56 with all its new goodies.

        Some will still prefer the earlier models with the older technology while others will opt for the new technology on the new model as long as they can accept (or overlook?) some of the visual changes that may take a bit of time to get use to.

        Guess that was the case going back to the earliest new MINI compared to the classic Mini as well as when the R56 came out to replace the R53. Now it’s the F56 to replace the R56.

  • sugurunishioka

    How’s this line up?

    • 2 dr Hatch • Convertible • 4 dr Hatch • 2-seater (convertible hard top?) • Clubman • Countryman

    I’d personally think

    • 2 dr Hatch • Convertible • Semi-Clubman (hybrid of F55 and F54) • 2-seater • Countryman

    Could be a clean yet broad lineup MINI can do…

    • ulrichd

      How about: – Rocketman – Hatch/Convertible – Clubman

      I know, I know. Not feasible :)

      • sugurunishioka

        My personal personal dream lineup will be basically that. ;)

      • Kurtster

        ^^^ What Ulrichd said.

  • crabbyolddad

    I understand the mindset of BMW and trying to sell cars. However, I believe that MINI should have remained a simple vehicle with limited variations. Obviously I’m not necessarily in the majority, but given that there are so many alternatives in the lineup, I don’t see MINI making any headway either. I truly believe that sales of Coupes or Roadsters aren’t bringing in the “outsiders” just stealing from MINI owners who would have gotten another model if those weren’t available. Simple can be better.

    • BimmerFile_Michael

      The coupe and roadster were test subjects to see if such a plan was viable (niche); they were low investment low yield products. They could have been huge cash cows if successful (think higher end Miatas) but that obviously did not happen.

      The Paceman was to follow the idea of the Evoque- a two door coupe crossover but it misses because of its price point and its size. The Evoque carries the cache of a RANGE Rover and that alone helps it sell but the fact that it is a great looking and all around great product isn’t working against it either. The Paceman is not really good at anything in the grand scheme and does not offer the cache (yes the RR is a higher price point) for someone to buy something so impractical at its price point- high price low cache. The X1 is a much better value and product and may have a bit more cache.

      The current niches MINI has expanded into have not yielded much volume. Whereas BMW’s niche vehicles, while purists hate them and say they don’t sell, sell outside the US well. The X6 has been a cash cow, the 5 GT has exceeded targets and the X1 was a runaway sensations.

      • Dr Obnxs

        But I don’t think it’s just the product that caused the sales volumes. I drove a Paceman S All4 at a media event last march, and most of the automotive journalists didn’t even know what it was, much less that it was available for sale! While it was the wrong version for track work, I did love the chassis. MINI screwed up the marketing. If it were less expensive, it might have survived that, but being both expensive and poorly marketed, it was doomed before it ever hit the streets!

        Seems to me BMW/MINI is a bit scitsophrinic, as they first embrace micro-nice products, then go back to less micro-niche….

      • jppd

        Your analysis is spot on especially the value of the X1 over Paceman. They both look good and the price points are within a few thousand of each other. I just pulled the trigger on an X1, oh by the way that two liter four in the X1 is superior.

        • BimmerFile_Michael

          I’ve said that since the launch- I saw no reason for the 35i and 28i xDrive variant has hydraulic steering as they couldn’t fit the electric system in there! Much more balanced and far superior switch gear.

          Nice choice in vehicle sir.

  • rhawth99

    Perhaps this strategy will mean that the F54 Clubman will indeed debut with the front-end from the concept instead of the current F56 front-end. That to me would be terrific as I like the looks of the concept front-end. It would make a lot of sense for each pillar vehicle to have a distinctive look.

    • JeffH

      I totally agree with you, but will MINI?

    • ulrichd

      I think many prefer the Clubman concept front end because it comes close to the Rocketman design that was so well received. I don’t know if that design meets the new pedestrian crash standards.

  • Scott Miller

    Could care less about the paceman. But the Coupe and Roadster are slick. Would be a shame to see them go. But that new Clubman…. O boy! :)

  • R.O

    I think the Coupe would have a future, but not the Roadster. Thank goodness – yes axe the Paceman. Why the heck would anyone want that? Everyone is clamoring for a four door larger “MINI” but then want’s a two door? Why? – Just get the hard top.

    The Paceman a joke.

    • fishbert

      Paceman vs Countryman, I would definitely lean toward the Paceman … as a tall person, the Countryman massively uncomfortable to get in & out of. The doors are too short for having the seats that far back, and I always end up dragging the back of my shirt across the B-pillar door jam rubber.

      • Edge

        (cough) You DO realize that the Paceman has exactly the same size doors as the Countryman’s front doors, on the inside, right? All they did was attach more sheet metal onto the end of them, with the interior part of the door being exactly the same. Seriously – there is no difference in terms of front seat entry space between the two. In fact, the Paceman is worse because you have to maneuver around more sheet metal to get in.

        It’s the dumbest thing ever, IMO… the longer Paceman sheet metal (for same size internal door) just makes it easier to ding the car next to you when parking. They did it strictly for external aesthetics, no other reason. It’s lame. I think the Paceman should have been called the Pointlessman, and I agree 100% with R.O here.

        • http://bridger.us/ Gabriel Bridger

          The door is massively different is size and further the seat cushions are longer and way more comfortable for my 6’2″ frame.

        • Edge

          Obviously, I stand corrected. I haven’t spent much time with the Paceman (haven’t driven it, for example), but what I have seen of it, it just looked to me like a Countryman door with extra sheet metal on the end. Now I’m curious enough to bring a tape measure with me the next time I visit a dealer, so I can measure exactly how much the interior dimensions of the door change between the Countryman and the Paceman.

          I still think the Paceman was a dumb idea though – and I won’t be sad to see it go. I do however, lament the likely loss of the Coupe and Roadster.

  • fishbert

    Not making an F56-based Roadster is a terrible, terrible idea. I have been lusting after the R56 Roadster since day-1, but don’t want to forego all the new F56 goodies. =(

    • ulrichd

      The Coupe/Roadster twins just aren’t selling. The market decides.

      • jbkone

        The Roadster sells about as well as the Convertible. I don’t get why you’d get rid of one and not the other. I’m sure if there were no roadster, the conv. would sell a bit better, but not double. And the coupe…I just like it.

        • ulrichd

          Actually, looking at most recent sales charts the convertible outsells the Roadster about 2 to 1. I also like the Coupe because of its funky looks but it’s simply not selling.

        • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

          I wonder if there isn’t a little bit of a chicken-and-egg issue with these three models. How often are they on dealer lots with decent options? Or are they basically all special order cars? A huge component of MINI sales, especially these days, is simply what dealers order and have on-hand when a customer shows up. Would more Coupes and Roadsters have sold if dealers had more of them on the lot?

        • EHans

          Honestly, I don’t think so. In the US, 2 seaters are a niche market, and MINI is a niche of a niche market. There just aren’t a lot of 2 seater vehicles around. Besides the Toyobaru twins and the Miata, I cannot think of any other’s in this price range.

          And that is too bad. I love the Roadster, but I just needed more room, so it really wasn’t a viable option for me, which is I think the case for most people. It makes a great 2nd car for an individual, but that is a luxury many cannot afford.

        • jbkone

          OK, you got me :) I just looked at November’s YTD numbers and you’re right: the Conv sells double.

          I’ll miss the twins though.

        • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

          It’s a shame, given how much stiffer-chassis’d the Roadster is. So much more fun to drive. Besides, back seats are overrated. ;-)

        • Bob Hayhurst

          agreed…

  • EHans

    I hope the roadster stays on the back burner, but the coupe and Paceman, those can be tossed as far as I am concerned. And I say this as an R60 owner. For some reason, I grin when I see another R60 in traffic, and then go “oh” if it turns out to be an R61. I just don’t get it, and it seems the buying public doesn’t either.

    A Mini Roadster in the future though on the F platform would give MINI something to use against Miata purchases.

    • ulrichd

      I am a MINI fan but if I was in the market for a compact roadster, RWD would win out every time. Also the new Miata will share a platform with Alfa and is rumored to be lighter than the current car. That will be a tough act to follow.

  • piper

    MINI should create a super “signature” performance car; namely an “ultimate (MINI) driving machine.” Let’s call it the GP Evolution limited edition incorporating several bespoke upgrades no available as add-on JCW options. A truly unique automobile designed to make the hearts of true MINI enthusiasts instantly redline. Yes, glory hath its price. And those seeking glory will pay for a ticket to ride the ultimate expression of MINI hyper-performance equally at home on road and track.

  • piper

    MINI should create a super “signature” performance car; namely an “ultimate (MINI) driving machine.” Let’s call it the GP Evolution limited edition incorporating several bespoke upgrades not available as add-on JCW options. A truly unique automobile designed to make the hearts of true MINI enthusiasts instantly redline. Yes, glory hath its price. And those seeking glory will pay for a ticket to ride the ultimate expression of MINI hyper-performance equally at home on road and track.

  • Dylan

    Straight from the playbook of Sun Tzu’s, The Art of War – reinforce success, starve failure. Makes sense to me.

  • Nick

    MINI needs to keep the Coupe and Roadster. I get more complements and interest in my JCW Coupe than any vehicle I’ve ever owned, including three other MINIs. MINI may not sell a lot of them but they give the brand a cool factor that MINI can use given their general lack of advertising for all it’s models. I have my fingers crossed for a Coupe hardtop convertible.

    • Jason

      If MINI doesn’t sell a lot of them, they should dump the model. That’s the whole point. Focus on the successful models and make them cooler.

    • Kurtster

      Same here. I’ve never had a car get me so many looks and questions. When people see my Coupe in person all evidence I’ve seen indicates that they appear to like it. I don’t think its pictures do it justice. For me, the Coupe, Roadster and JCW Hardtop are the only models left that embody the spirit of MINI. With any luck, once they drop them they’ll become one of the most sought-after models. :-)

  • Zack Feidler

    I just want a mini the size of the classics. the world needs a good looking small car. not a smart car. not a scion xD. a mini. why can’t economy be style? rocketman.

  • DaCrema

    that is because those variants will be BMW 1 and 2 series type cars. Sorry if this has been posted already. I have not read through all the responses yet. BMW has talked from time to time about a smaller Z sports car or even reviving a nameplate that it picked up with the Rover purchase when it got MINI.

    I really like both small sport cars and the Paceman. I think there is a market for the cars but maybe not as MINIs. They are in business to make money more than to make MINIs. This is not a slam on the organization as a whole. It is just the way it is.

    • http://twitter.com/matthewwanderer matthew

      “I think there is a market for the cars but maybe not as MINIs.”

      That right there. Fine cars, but these models fall outside the MINI/Mini formula of performance, utility, premium in an unusually small package.

  • Birddog2

    Own a 2012 “S” Roadster. I always thought of MINI as a “fun” car and there is no clearer way of demonstrating this than the Roadster. For practical, I own a Jeep Cherokee.

  • SPICYJCWCOUPE

    Interesting to note some of the previous comments in this header about the Coupe, Roadster, & Pacemen…the very subjective direction of who likes or dislikes which models. One likes the Coupe & Roadster, but not the Paceman. Another prefers the Paceman over the Countryman. Next guy likes the the Roadster, but not the Coupe & Paceman. On & on!! It’s ALL subjective!! On person can’t understand why others like a model that he doesn’t like. There’s no wrong or right choice. I like my Coupe but it’s not everyones cup of tea!! I may move to an F55 4 door this fall. Some out there may not like that model. That’s OK with me!

  • MiniCooperRacer

    I have had 3 MINI’s since 2005 and my current JCW Coupe is my favorite. For the people saying just keep the Roadster… I love the Roadster however a lot of race tracks do not allow convertibles and that is the only reason I got the Coupe instead of waiting. Surprisingly even though all the specs and numbers say the trunk is the same size between the two, the way the Coupe closes the hatch door it allows much more room. I am not personally a fan of the Paceman however I understand why they tried it although I do not like the competitors either.

    They have an AWD system in place already and just wishing they would make a two seater AWD drive at some point. Can you imagine the new JCW power plant in an AWD small car??? Track heaven.

    I was able to test drive the new F56 for a while in CA last month and they have done a great job with it and I am sad that it will not be transferred into the Coupe/Roadster.

  • AndrewH

    This is a really interesting article from Go Auto in Australia that interviewed BMW Mini senior vice-president, Jochen Goller. It seems to suggest that all is no lost on the Rocketman concept with Mr Goller saying ‘that car, contrary to some reports, remains “on the table”’.

    He goes on to say ‘the number seven [models] is the right amount, but we need a family where every member has a very distinct task. Full article here

    http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/AE2DAEE3CEDFD047CA257C920081C7BC

  • AndrewH

    This is a really interesting article from Go Auto in Australia that interviewed BMW Mini senior vice-president, Jochen Goller. It seems to suggest that all is no lost on the Rocketman concept with Mr Goller saying ‘that car, contrary to some reports, remains “on the table”’.

    He goes on to say ‘the number seven [models] is the right amount, but we need a family where every member has a very distinct task. Full article here

    http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/AE2DAEE3CEDFD047CA257C920081C7BC

  • JC76

    I have a S Coupe at the moment, and would happily have traded in for the next generation model. Now that it’s looking less likely that they will produce another one, I will most likely look at purchasing the new F56 model.

  • Vhyper1985

    Still think MINI would be daft NOT to build a model based on the Rocketman at this stage especially with the price point of the hatch increasing, why not make a smaller model that can essentially be a base model for people to get into the brand & compete (at least in Europe) with the likes of the Toyota Aygo, VW Up, Skoda Citigo, Citroen C1 & Smart Fortwo for example … MINI keep teasing us with this car, yet we’ve not seen anything of the Rocketman itself since the Olympics in London last year. It’s been well received so far + if nothing else it would keep the purists a bit quieter in that they would be offering something that comes closer to the spirit of the original classic Mini.

    • Nick Dawson

      The only mini/micro cars that are profitable these days are the ‘cheap an cheerful’ sort that the Japanese and South Koreans do so well. MINI doesn’t do cheap and cheerful, it does premium, a policy which it adopted in the early 1960’s to turn the company around from the brink of bankruptcy, and one on which it has built its reputation ever since.

      I don’t know what the development of the highly sophisticated and flexible UKL1 platform has cost BMW, but VW has reportedly spent €50 billion on its similarly flexible MQB platform, which will underpin 40 of its group models. No manufacturer could possibly afford to develop a unique platform to underpin just one model.

      The UKL1 platform simply cannot be reduced in size physically to underpin a car the size of the Rocketman concept, and it would need to find a partner to share the cost of such a development. Which global car manufacturer do you think it should join up with? Toyota had to join up with Peugeot/Citroen to build the excellent Aygo/C1/108 range, and Hyundai/Kia jointly developed the i10/Picanto.

      However, as I’ve already stated, the above cars are cheap and cheerful, and BMW is not in that market. The board is already having sleepless nights over BMW’s association with Toyota to develop a joint platform to underpin the new Z5/Z7, the next gen 6-series and i8 MK2, in case such an association will devalue BMW’s image in the minds of its customers.

      In a nutshell, Rocketman is never going to happen. Several senior insiders have recently reported, that BMW would love to build a small MINI, if only they could find a way of doing it, which would protect their reputation and be profitable at the same time. However, the Coupe/Roadster have been a wake-up call for BMW and have shown them that there is an absolute limit to just how small a premium car can be, that is acceptable to the global market.

    • ulrichd

      I think there were discussion to use the next gen Toyota iQ platform. Unfortunately I don’t know how successful the Rocketman would be in the US. Many Americans are still in the small car/small price mindset and in order to make a profit it would likely have to cost almost as much as the larger Cooper. That would be ok with many of us, myself included, but maybe not so much with the general car buyer. In any case I hope they can find a way.

  • Beck Spot

    I keep reading over and over that coupes and roadsters aren’t selling well but that’s because they are overpriced. Most of the people that are attracted to the cars simply aren’t willing to spend tree that kind od money and those who can easily afford them are looking for cars with more sports car prowess!

    • http://www.nathanielsalzman.com/ Nathaniel Salzman

      Reading where?

  • Taiyo Nakashima

    Drop that 2L engine in paceman and I’m in. make it.

  • Taiyo Nakashima

    even better, cut the coupe/paceman and make the Beachcomber!!! Loved that chopped-roof SUV concept. JCW 6speed manual for me ;)

  • m8o

    My unsolicited opinion is as follows… as a present ’09 JCW owner.

    My needs as a Mini owner have changed. The Paceman is the only car I want presently from Mini, but it MUST have (lots) more power than it has now; especially if it’s in JCW garb. Given it doesn’t I don’t own one, won’t buy one, and don’t care if it goes away.

    But I hope it won’t go away, and will get lots more power.

    Now, if the 4-door Countryman replacement were to adopt some of the sleekness molded into its 2-door sibling of today, then too I would not care if the Paceman were to go away. I’d love to have the look of the Paceman with more convenience.

    But, the same thing said about power in the Paceman holds with the Countryman’s replacement … and it MUST remain available with a manual.

    • Herr26

      The PACEMAN lives on. This time it will be a more sportier version of the Countryman but with 5drs for added practicality. Today BMW has confirmed to investors that the all new BMW X1 will receive a BMW X2 Sport Activity Coupe in 2017.

      The PACEMAN will be like the same formula but be the more sportier twin to the more SUV orientated Countryman. Both X2 and PACEMAN will take advantage of their market demands and offer both concepts as 5drs only.

      As of MINI , customer demands have put practicality at the top of many MINI model engineering briefs.


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MINI Model Cheat Sheet

1st Gen MINI
R50: One & MC Hatch
R52: All 1st Gen MINI Convt.
R53: MCS Hatch
2nd Gen MINI
R55: Clubman
R56: Hatch
R57: Convertible
R58: Coupe
R59: Roadster
R60: MINI Crossover
R61: MINI Crossover Coupe
3rd Gen MINI
F54: Clubman
F55: Five Door Hatch
F56: Hatch
F57: Convertible
F60: MINI Crossover
F58: Traveller

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