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We all knew it would eventually happen… the 3-spoke steering wheel (seen here) appears to now standard across the MINI range. It would also appear that the 2-spoke wheel has now been dropped altogether as it's nowhere on the official MINIUSA options sheet (in dealers hands now) and nowhere in any official 2005 photos.
<p>Terrible news!
If I upgrade to a new MINI one day, I wonder if the old steering wheel can be transferred to the new car?</p>
<p>As long it's the R50/R53 (current car) I would assume so.</p>
<p>Geez…I hate that wheel.</p>
<p>UGH, UGH and UGH! What are they thinking? They must be very requested, for some reason.</p>
<p>Yuppies that's it Yuppies! Let's blame it on Yuppies!…R</p>
<p>I have the wheel and really prefer it to the original two spoke wheel. The center hub of the 3spoke is not as “shiny” as the 2 spoke.</p>
<p>I know it's not as classic but is definately attractive and great to use.</p>
<p>Oh, and I'm not a yuppy, but maybe as 23y.o. first time buyer I do like the sport- the classic look and cues are designed everywhere else as well….</p>
<p>It does remove one more opportunity for differentiation among MINIs.</p>
<p>Check back as far as you can go about this “issue” as some would call it and you'll see most didn't like the new wheel. It's a surprise to see this change.</p>
<p>I waited a couple of extra months just to get the three spoke despite all the negitive comments and still think the three spoke kicks a**! I did however think that it would stay as an option/choice, bad move by MIni IMO.</p>
<p>Still, three spoke all the way for me……..</p>
<p>Yeah if I had my choice I'd probably prefer the three-spoke as well. And that's after 27 months of ownership with the 2-spoke :)</p>
<p>don't be too sure that the wheel is gone. The option code for the 2-spoke multi-function wheel is still the same! Their is a slim chance that it may be available.</p>
<p>Ugly wheel that must be cheaper to produce. Functionally, why the third spoke? My two spoke wheel doesn't flex and I like resting my hand down at the bottom sometimes. Add it to the list of reasons I'm glad I already have my 2004 Indi Blue MC.</p>
<p>To me it looks like a 1950's Buick steering wheel, all it needs is a chrome horn ring.</p>
<p>What did Paul Simon say, “one mans ceiling is another mans floor”. More power to those who like it…R</p>
<p>does the center hub perform as the horn?</p>
<p>I totally agree with others who don't like it. I hope BMW will still give future owners (or us who plan to upgrade) the option to choose two designs so at least it keeps more the “personalization” of the MINI.</p>
<p>The three spoke wheel is great….FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!</p>
<p>Sid, </p>
<p>Yes the center hub now acts as the horn. This is the best move Mini made on the new wheel IMO. Any Mini owner knows how dangerous it can be to hit the horn (or not hit it) when an evasive procedure is quickly needed.</p>
<p>Ryan – I used to think the same way. However after over two years of driving my MINI in a combative driving enviroment that is Chicago, I've found the two-spoke wheel configuration is designed ideally for evasive maneuvers while using the horn button. Because the design puts the buttons just inside the outer edge of the wheel you're able to both have your right or left hand on the wheel while placing your thumb on the horn button ready for action. Instead with the three spoke you'll have to take one hand off the wheel to activate the horn. </p>
<p>All that being said I still prefer the 3-spoke due to design and materials used.</p>
<p>3-spoker all the way! Sportier. Tastier. Less filling.</p>
<p>What a bad move. Now I prefer the 2 spoke but its not so much whats right and whats wrong here, its all about CHOICE.</p>
<p>The two spoke was the wheel the car was DESIGNED with so should be the standard. The three spoke some prefer but most owners who I have met prefer the two.</p>
<p>So why cause a problem when having one standard and one BTO is the best way of keeping everyone happy?</p>
<p>I dont know where MINI get their feedback on what is 'better' but I certainly dont know any MINI owners who were asked by them which wheel they prefer, and we're the ones buying the bloody things.</p>
<p>It seems to me that this is another cost cutting step, and one of many in the 2005 model year at that.</p>
<p>At this rate by the time Im ready to purchase another car all the things I loved about my MINI are going to be gone :-/</p>
<p>I have the new 3 spoke and it’s a great wheel. And it’s more reminiscent of the classic mini steering wheel (which I had in my first mini). Here’s an example of the classic wheel in a Morris Mini <a href="http://www.autofan.com.au/Images14/15.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.autofan.com.au/Images14/15.jpg</a> </p>
<p>I always thought the 2 spoke looked too modern and didn’t fit with the rest of the styling. The new wheel is a great wheel (although the center is a little soft and the badge tends to pop off).</p>
<p>At least it has thick
lumps at 10 and 2.</p>
<p>The 3 spoke is under 100% options. Yes you are gonna get it in the 05. I would have ordered it anyway.</p>
<p>The new steering wheel looks about as much like the old Mini wheel …well I'd better not say…R</p>
<p>Actually, the Mini originally came with…you guessed it – a 2-spoke steering wheel, even the Coopers, but it wasn't very well designed. The link mentioned above is an aftermarket wheel, which I admit, I have a similar one on both my classic Coopers. The original wheel had no place to lock your thumbs over, and was slick as hell under hard driving. Altho Issigonis was a helluva small-car racer himself, he had no intentions of making the driving position of the Mini anything near race-like, unless you count USAC Midgets. ;-)</p>
<p>The Mini was a very idiosynchratic car – no radio, 'cause Alec thought it would be distracting, seating that was downright upright! – so you wouldn't get too relaxed while driving, and the steering wheel was designed for the average driver – women included, which was no small thing, and a fairly new idea back then – had plenty of leverage to steer without using their shoulders as the main lever. Performance driving did not enter into the equation, unlike the new MINI.</p>
<p>The new three-spoke seems like it's going in the right direction, but I don't like the buttons on the outer section of the spoke – I'd have my hands on 'em practically every second. I'd much prefer a more race-car type of wheel, regardless of how many spokes – I personally love the old 4-spoke Bugatti wheels, but that might not be too practical! 😉 I do like the 2-spoke I have now, tho, I always hated taking one hand off the wheel for a horn button. Hey, they could put it on the end of the light stalk like the old days! HeHe! Design links with the past don't work well, unless they are done well.</p>
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<p>Rob
I stand corrected. Didn’t realize they had a stock 2 spoke in the classic – mine was 3 (but it was long ago). And yes, I do play with the buttons all the time :-)</p>
<p>/dan</p>
<p>I like the three spoke : ) </p>
<p>MINIDryvr.Textamerica.Com</p>
<p>Down with conformity! Up with options! I like the two spoke better. Less 'bumper car'ish. And I like the seperate horn buttons. It's nice to have well defined, well marked, tactile horns. Not the sensor over the airbag feel.</p>
<p>The diferent types of leather covered MFSWs are sill sold as dealer installed Accessories so if you really want it you can have it… At a Price!</p>
<p>I like the way the buttons lie under my fingers on the 2 spoke MFSW and prefer choice but the 3 spoke does look a bit lighter…. not having driven with one I withold judgment though… I went with the 2 spoke on the advice of folks lkie you and am happy I did.</p>
<p>One way to look at it – in the BMW world, the 3 spoker is the one you want on your car….it means either Sport Package or ///M…..</p>
<p>DING….Round 2…R</p>
<p>What about older cars now needing new wheels. I could be wrong, but after an airbag deployment, doesnt the entire wheel need to be replaced? if an '02-'04 needs to be repaired after an accident, will it automatically get the new 3-spoke wheel regardless of what was on it prior?</p>
<p>P</p>
<p>MINI will keep a huge stock of older parts for years to come just for such an occasion.</p>
<p>2-spoke, 3-spoke no matter, but why oh WHY the Nintendo buttons?</p>
<p>I prefer the 3 spoke to the 2 spoke, it's much sportier and it's lower in carbs.</p>
<p>The thing I love most about the two spoke is the placement of the radio controls and horn buttons.
I don't have to look down because the placement is perfect and easy to use.</p>
<p>The buttons on the face of the wheel are out of reach and awkward.</p>
<p>3 spoke rules! :)</p>
<p>Is there another car that can get such response to it's steering wheel! How kool is this…R</p>
<p>I don't mind the looks of the 3 spoke that much but I'm sad to lose 2 buttons on the MFSW in the new design.</p>
<p>Hi all, I am a future MCS owner. I've been reading posts for about a month now, and thought I'd make a comment.
About the 3 spoke steering wheel, I see it as both a cost-cuting measure and an incentive for drivers to order the steering wheel controls. As I understand it, for 2004, you can order the 3-spoke wheel without controls. For an extra amount, you can get them. Well, I think that MINI probably has a higher markup or lower costs on the controls, than on a second wheel design, so it saves money by offering one wheel only. People are more inclined to pay for just one extra feature, rather than two (the wheel & the controls).</p>
<p>D'oh! Just looked at Miniusa and I turned out to be wrong.</p>
<p>There are so many reasons that the two-spoke is a superior wheel, I just can't imagine the cost savings to offset the loss in design. The three-spoke is just plain clunky, it's less functional, it's less “designed.” The old wheels with buttons on both sides of the wheel are great, with the most frequently used buttons being exactly where they should be. You can change channels and adjust volume without even moving your hands slightly. This is great for accident avoidance. Also, Gabe is 100% correct: the center of the wheel horn placement is far more dangerous than the convenient thumb buttons. When making evasive maneuvers you still have the ability to honk without losing your grip on the wheel! This is so disappointing. I would definitely attempt a wheel transplant!</p>
<p>I agree with Maxwell. The two-spoke wheel is a better design both functionally and aesthetically. As I've mentioned before, this seems to part of a strategy of the Munich design team to move the car away from the funky, iconic British look of the first generation model to a more techno-European look (with a larger customer appeal they hope). Hence, the cleaned-up look of the 2005 model in the grill area and those silly laser gun looking headlights. Not a good design trend in my book though.</p>
<p>In looking at a comparison of the two steering wheels, I can't say that I dislike either one. Both have their positives and negatives. But from a pure design, functionality and historical point of view, one has to like the 2-spoke design…it's just more MINI.</p>
<p>I would have to think that the 3-spoke wheel is a cost saving measure. With all the MFSW controls on the front side of the wheel, it makes for far easier for production and assembly, as opposed to the 2-spoke which has controls on both front and backsides of the wheel. I have always thought that the controls on the 2-spoke wheel are extremely well placed, and they look to be very similarly placed on the 3-spoke, so I couldn't see that being a problem. I agree with Gabe though that moving the horn from the edges of the wheel were it is on the 2-spoke wheel to the middle on the 3-spoke wheel is a bit “more dangerous” (although if anyone has had the experience of being backed into, you'll know it is an adventure to find your horn if it is not placed in the center of the wheel).</p>
<p>It will be sad to see the 2-spoke wheel go, but the one constant is change, and there are surely more changes to come to the MINI that people won't like.</p>
<p>Dodo and dinosaur, meet the two-spoke wheel. It's automotive Darwinism….</p>
<p>2 spoke! No joke.</p>
<p>the mini is all about the feel of the ride, and custimization (sp?). This (in my sane opinion) is a dramatic move, and a very wrong way. I dont think they consulted any of the people who actually bought the cars or to-be buyers.
~:(^_^):~
pud</p>
<p>So how do the CVT paddle shifters fit on this one? Or have they developed SMG-style flippers behind the wheel?</p>
<p>ROUND TWO FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>RRAAAAARRRRR, POW, BIFFF,
BAM… 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10</p>
<p>The champion, the three spoke steering wheel. By a BMW program change…</p>
<p><strong><em>NEWSLINE</em></strong>
Was the two spoke wheel forced to take a dive? Is BMW intl pairing designers and marketing? Are people getting payoffs??? </p>
<p><strong><em>CNN</em></strong>
BMW spokesperson- “I have no knowledge of these events, it was a fair fight”</p>
<p>That sucks.
Anyone for a two spoke option petition??</p>
<p>Honestly after seeing the 3 spoke wheel I really didn't care for it that much. Yet another “Bangle” design touch that has no place in this car. Oh well.</p>
<p>Frank Stephenson knew what he was doing when he designed the original 2 spoke steering wheel with its very well placed controls.</p>
<p>ok, that wheel sucks! it reminds me of the VW bettle, what the… what was MINI thinking when they came up with that? i think they should keep the old “s” style wheel and come out with the jcw sports wheel instead of the 3-spoke one, its also too small-dont like it</p>
<p>Eric, I'd be up for a little pettition. It would be nice to have options..R</p>
<p>hope 3- spoke stays 2-spoke 2 go first</p>
<p>Eric,</p>
<p>I am up for a petition….</p>
<p>Two Spoke is functionally the right move, I already bought one on ebay.com. It does not have the airbag, and that and the necessary resetting will cost me an arm and a leg… (dealer cost on airbag is $500, plus reseting charges for airbad another ????$)</p>
<p>BMW, if you are going to guess, ask the Mini People, we may be small, but there are LOTS and LOTS of us. (in case you forgot)</p>