This reader review was written and sent in by Damon Duree:
After three years with my 2002 British racing green MINI Cooper I decided I wanted to sell it and get a MINI Cooper S. This decision came about for a couple of reasons. The first was that I realized how fun the MCS really is after we bought an ’04 last May. I’m not a speed demon nor do autocross but I do drive hard zipping on and off freeway ramps so a stock MCS is plenty of fun for me. When I placed my order it was January of this year and the MCS automatic was just hitting the roads. There weren’t any demos to drive but the shifting paddles sound like fun. Shifting when you want to or letting the car do it for you when in traffic. I have to admit that the idea of not pushing the clutch in and out constantly in the congested Bay Area traffic was appealing. I ordered my Pepper white and black roof MCS with the red tartan cloth interior. I got a few other minor options and opted for the automatic.
I have lived with my new car for 8 weeks and 1900 miles and thought I would write about motoring with a MCS automatic since I’ve discovered a few characteristics about the transmission that I have not read about anywhere else. This review represents my personal experience and comparison to our ’04 MCS with a manual 6-speed. I am hoping to give a little more insight into the quirks of how the transmission works in the three modes, “DRIVE” “SPORT DRIVE” and “MANUAL”.
The shifter has a cool looking button on the front of the shift knob that you squeeze to move the selector out of “Park”. The button works pretty well. The corresponding letter appears under to odometer reading with “P, R, N, D” and “SD” for “SPORT DRIVE”. In “MANUAL MODE”, M1, M2 all the way to M6 appear showing you which gear you are in.
Reverse and neutral are like any other car, so let’s put the car in “D” for “DRIVE” and be off. It is pretty amazing the first time you step on the gas, as the car is quite lively. As Gabe wrote in the MotoringFile review, the grin starts immediately. The shifts feel smooth and quick. It drives like most any other car with an automatic. If you are not in a hurry and driving leisurely then stepping lightly on the accelerator gives you polite shifts at the appropriate times. If you want to sprint away from a traffic light the car will do so nicely even in “D”, just press a little further down on the gas pedal and you’re off. Amazingly, you can get a good squeal from the tires off the line if you stomp down on the pedal. As it accelerates there is a pretty good pull but you can tell that you are being cheated by the early up shifts, especially if you are used to letting the 6-speed tach touch the red before shifting. In “D” the upshifts occur around 5500 rpm if your aggressive with the accelerator pedal, earlier if you are not. The transmission doesn’t down shift until it has too when slowing down so there isn’t much engine breaking in this mode. You always get passing gear when you push the pedal to the floor past the “kick-down” notch and this means you can easily end up tearing away in 1st or 2nd gear if you step down too far on the pedal.
You can up shift and down shift using the paddles while in “DRIVE”. The car will stay in the gear you have selected for about 30 seconds or as long as you are accelerating then it reverts back to “DRIVE”. This comes in handy if you want to select a more appropriate gear to pass or change lanes and be ready. The down side with six gears in an automatic is if you’re in 6th and you need the the car to accelerate the transmission can be a little slow in down shifting to 4th or 3rd when using your foot on the pedal. With the paddles you can put it in the gear you want and it will stay there long enough for you to make your move, only reverting back to “DRIVE” when your done. I also find this handy if I want a little engine breaking getting off the highway. I can down shift with the paddles, slow down and then the car goes back to “D” on its own and I’m back to an automatic.
If you’re feeling a little sporty (and who doesn’t in the MCS) you slide the shift selector to the right into “SPORT DRIVE”. Now you have a car that feels more like a MCS. The shifts are crisper and the timing is different. The transmission holds the gears longer before up shifting or down shifting. Put your foot into it and the tach goes to red line before shifting. However, unlike a manual 6-speed where you can coax a little extra oomph by venturing into the red before the cut-off kicks in, the automatic just touches the red and then shifts.
The car is fun in “D” but in “SD” it is really fun. The acceleration is great and the shift timing feels natural. The car seems to jump into the appropriate gear and be ready to pull away. In “SD” it doesn’t up shift when I take my foot off the gas or I pick up speed going downhill as it does in “D” so you can let off the gas going into a corner and not find the car has up-shifted when you want to accelerate out of the corner. While “SD” is where the car shines, there is one downside about “SPORT DRIVE” that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere. It becomes a 5- speed transmission. In “SD” the car does not shift into 6th gear. At first I thought there was a problem and I called the dealer. They confirmed that in “SD” the transmission only goes as far as 5th. I wasn’t expecting this and it doesn’t tell you anywhere in the owner’s manual. I believe the BMWs with SMG transmissions are set up the same way in that you don’t get 6th in sport mode. That said, “SPORT DRIVE” is much more aggressive then “DRIVE” and makes for a very fun automatic.
“MANUAL MODE” can be even more fun than “SD”. To get into “MANUAL MODE” you have two options once you have moved the selector over to “SD”. You can pull back on the shift selector to up shift or push forward to down shift. Once you move the selector to shift you are now in “MANUAL MODE”. While there’s no need to squeeze the selector button but while holding the selector you can’t help but interact with the button. With your hand in this position while pulling back to up shift the “give” from the button doesn’t give you a firm feeling of holding the selector. I’ve found it more comfortable to put my palm on the back of the selector with my fore and index fingers over the top holding it more like a baseball. This keeps me from interacting with the button and gives a much more positive hold on the selector.
Of corse all this can be avoided by using the paddles. Pull either one to up shift or push forward on the thumb tabs that are just above the steering wheel spoke to downshift. It all feels very natural and is quite fun. The shifts are quick with just a hair of a delay while up shifting. There doesn’t seem to be as much as of a delay when down shifting. You can shift to your hearts content and the car responds nicely. However I have discovered some odd characteristics of the “MANUAL MODE” that I wasn’t expecting. I don’t know why but I assumed that in the “MANUAL MODE” I would have complete control over the transmission. This is only half true. For instance, if you’re motoring in “M” and you press down on the accelerator past the kick-down notch the transmission will kick down into passing gear. Passing gear will be whatever gear is the lowest without over revving the motor. If you kick it down into passing gear while in “MANUAL MODE” it doesn’t shift back to the gear you were in previously. It simply leaves you in that gear. The first time this happened I was in 4th and stomped down on the pedal, the car jumped to 2nd and took off. Not realizing this was going to happen I took my foot off the pedal but the car stayed in 2nd gear revving away at 6000 rpms. I have since caught on and plan accordingly. If you are going to step on it hard it’s going to downshift for you so be prepared to up shift with a paddle or the selector to get back to the gear you were in or to choose another gear.
The other little “helping hand” in the “MANUAL MODE” is that the car up shifts for you when you reach red line on the tach. As I mentioned above, if you just put your foot to the floor the car will kick down into the appropriate passing gear, accelerate and up shift through all the gears when it reaches red line. It won’t up shift as long as you don’t get to red line but if you do you’re in the next gear. The down side is if you want the fun of shifting with the paddles you have to do it BEFORE you reach the red line. I find if I want to have some spirited driving fun and keep my foot to the floor while paddle shifting I can miss some of the fun because the car beats me to the punch and up shifts before I hit the paddle. So even though it is called “MANUAL MODE” it isn’t completely a manual experience.
So how does the new ’05 6-speed automatic compare to the ’04 6-speed manual? I’d have to say that the 6-speed manual is the nicer car to drive. It is pure and the clutch and shifter are so smooth and positive. Shifting through the gears is pleasure and actually much smoother than the automatic because the latter has sharp shifts than you can feel. The 6-speed is fluid and has a nice pull in any gear. Even though it isn’t a rocket it always has that little bit of gusto and zeal that makes it feel like it is rarin’ to go. The automatic is plenty fun but it does feel slightly harnessed in comparison. It also doesn’t sound quite as pure and this is actually the most disappointing aspect. I don’t know why but the 6-speed has more of a true sports car sound but the automatic sounds more like an econo-box with a rental-car sort of whine. Granted, you do still get a good burble when you let off the accelerator with the automatic but you have to be in “SPORT DRIVE” or “MANUAL” and in the upper rpms just like the 6-speed manual.
To sum it up I’d have to say I am very happy with the ’05 but if I had to choose and only keep one it would be the 6-speed. I wouldn’t discourage anyone from buying an automatic who needs it, however it may be almost too complex for it’s own good. Because of that, it makes for a different driving experience, one that I’m still trying to get the hang of.
<p>Great write-up!</p>
<p>I’m curious what (if any) the difference is at “cruising” i.e. highway speeds of 70-80 mph. Having recently gotten a regular MC for a loaner – havign never driven one before – I found that it revs higher than my CVT at highway speeds, which is about 3k for anywhere between 70 and 85 mph.</p>
<p>Although the maunal is alot more fun IMHO and possibly gets more hp to the wheel, the lower revs at highway speeds is MUCH more comfortable. I’m not sure which I’d choose if I had to pick, tho…</p>
<p>Yes I realize that the MCSA is a different tranny than the CVT, but I’d like to know from anyone with experience where the revs sit on the highway on the MCSA; maybe even compared to the manual…</p>
<p>Anyone?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Derek</p>
<p>Gabe, is that really your hand??</p>
<p>Nope.</p>
<p>Derek,</p>
<p>It depends on which “mode” you are in. In “D”, the highway RPMs at about 60-70mph stay at about 2200. If you are in “SD” mode they are a little over 1000 over that.</p>
<p>Great write up by the way Damon.</p>
<p>— Jay</p>
<p>Thanks for the great review. The only thing that realy disapointed me was the manual mode upshift. The thought of having to short shift to remain invloved in the upshifts is disapointing. The kick down while in manual mode I guess is necessary for safety reasons since it ensures maximum acceleration is available. I wish they had let the engine bump up against the rev limiter instead of upshifting though. SD mode should upshift at redline, manual mode should let the user go to redline, even if they have to shave a few rpm’s to maintain durability. Maybe a aftermarket of JCW reflash could fix that, or at least make it optional.</p>
<p>Gary, the MTH software will solve that problem.</p>
<p>great review damon! as a fellow mcsa owner i couldn’t have done it better myself – you really covered it all. i also had no idea that SD was only a five speed map, interesting. i’ve really never used the full automatic settings and have driven it via paddles since the day i rolled it off the lot (actually down the ramp here in nyc!). </p>
<p>cheers – drew</p>
<p>When I test drove the Auto the thing I missed most about the manual is that great throttle response. In my MCS I find my self revving the engine or blipping the throttle quite often. I love that about my car. The only good way to rev the engine in an Auto without lunging forward is to put the car in N or P.</p>
<p>Sean</p>
<p>thank you for the great write up. We have my wife’s 05 MCSa on order, that takes out a lot of the mystery!!!</p>
<p>-jac</p>
<p>Gary,</p>
<p>Yes, I agree, the automatic up-shifting in the manual mode is very disappointing. I have driven the car another 1000 miles and find that the car up-shifts when I don’t want to. You have to keep it below the red line just a little or it shifts. I also don’t like that I can’t push the accelerator to the floor in the manual mode. I got used to driving the Cooper that way. It was fun to just keep the pedal planted, let off,shift and then just stomp back down. I don’t like that I have to make a conscious effort to keep the pedal up off the floor.</p>
<p>Damon,
I’ve got a MCSa cabrio and find it a little disconcerting that you can freely move from forward to reverse (thru neutral) without having to depress the lockout “button” on the shifter….although you must put your foot on the brake to get it out of Park to Reverse, Neutral, or Drive.</p>
<p>Is your car the same? No lockout from slipping from Drive to Reverse?</p>
<p>Oh, yeah, Thanks for posting my review on your site Gabe! This is my favorite MINI site.</p>
<p>Maybe MINI might fix these little quirks in SD and M modes in the ’07 MCSa. I have a feeling that we won’t see much of a change, if any, to the automatic transmission for the ’06 MCSa.</p>
<p>When in M will the car automaticly down shift if the rpms become too low, like if you or the front passenger accidentally bumps the selector into up shifting?</p>
<p>One more question. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t the BMW M3s and M5s have each of their paddle shifters designated for either up shifting or down shifting only? If this is true, then personally I would find this much easier to use compared to the way the paddle shifters currently function on the MCSa.</p>
<p>Thanks Jay!</p>
<p>Gabe, thanks for this posting. I have an ’04 MCa (non S) and the dealer never really explained how the manual mode works. (What RPM to shift at, can shifting from one mode to another is allowed while the car is moving, etc) </p>
<p>I was told to shift at about 4200 RPM but I notice when I start out in 1st gear the transmission seems to want me to shift at a little over 3000.</p>
<p>The other thing I was never told if I have to be at a stand still(stopped) before shifting from D to SD or to Manual. I’m still not sure of that, but from reading this post it seems shifting from one mode to another can be done at any time. I wonder if it’s the same for the MCa as for the MSCa.</p>
<p>When MINI called me to get my input, etc about 4 weeks after I purchase the car I told them that how to use the CVT should be on the CD. They have a little info but not much.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the Post and I agree with Damon: “This is my favorite MINI site.”</p>
<p>Being an ’05 MCSa owner with 3000+ miles I have a few comments (I only ever drive in manual mode, never use D or SD ever):</p>
<p>1) The “kick down” feature is downright dangerous. It is stupid and I have no idea why it exists. That being said there is enough of a ‘bump’ from full acceleration to the kick down so I never accidently go into it any more.</p>
<p>2) As for it shifting up for you when you hit the red line, I have had it happen by accedent when I was learning, but other then that I have never had it happen. Even when I was driving at speed at Summit Point raceway where I was constantly near the red line, never happened, always shifted when I wanted it too. Maybe it’s just me, but not a problem, and don’t mind the little bit of safety so I (or someone driving my car) doesn’t blow up my engine.</p>
<p>3) One thing you did miss was the automatic downshift when stopping at a light. And the fact that it only shifts to 2nd gear. (The car starts fine in 2nd). It’s a nice thing, though occasionally when I’m downshifting myself I do it too late and the car downshifts too leaving me in 1st when I think I’m in 2nd.</p>
<p>Overall I love it to death. I have driven manuals for 20+ years and always wanted a paddle shifted clutchless manual (OK the MCAa is not a TRUE clutchless manual) and now I have one. I’ll never go back!</p>
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<li>John Connor</li>
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<p>Thanks for the reveiw!</p>
<p>I wonder if anything is changing for the 06 setup?</p>
<p>A question for the MCSa owners. How do you like the car in heavy, stop and go traffic vs. the 6 speed manual? Or how does it feel to be in gear at all times?</p>
<p>Living in Chicago, I usually find i am coasting through every stop light or coasting faster than the car in front of me. It’s always clutch in and foot on the brake…thus the contemplation of getting an auto.</p>
<p>Any experience here?</p>
<p>It’s just like any automatic in heavy stop and go traffic, very comfortable. You just let the car do its thing and let go of the brake a little when you inch forwards.</p>
<p>On a note to John Connor’s #3 response:</p>
<p>If the transmission is in “DRIVE” or “SPORT DRIVE” mode, then the transmission will actually start off in 1st gear after coming to a complete stop. If you accelerate lightly, then the shift from 1st to 2nd happens very low in the RPM range. Try it out and you can tell. However, like you said, if left in “MANUAL MODE”, the transmission will not downshift into 1st gear on its own and leaves you to pull away in 2nd.</p>
<p>Any issue with the transmission ecu firmware? I’ve heard of quite a few unhappy MCS automatics bumping into limp home mode.</p>
<p>Damon, just curious of your gas mileage numbers?</p>
<p>It’s not going to change my order, but I’m interested in what to expect.</p>
<p>Thanks for the nice comments everybody. </p>
<p>Both John Connor and MINICooperMitch are correct in that in the manual mode if you forget to downshift when you have to stop at a traffic light or something, the transmission only goes down to 2nd. I tend to forget I’m in manual until I start off again but it does start of OK in 2nd. Why not 1st is a mystery</p>
<p>I too have the hang of not letting the car upshift for me in the manual mode near the red line but it does take some practice.</p>
<p>I have not checked my mileage and I didn’t order the on-board computer. I do know that My Cooper would go about a week and a half to two weeks without needing a pit-stop but the MCSa is hungry once a week or less if I am agressive.</p>
<p>GBMINI#3 (MCSa) gets about the same gas mileage as GBMINI#2 did after the JCW upgrade – about 26mpg on my day-to-day gentle driving, climbing to 30-31 on long runs; about 10% less than GBMINI#2 before the JCW.</p>
<p>Very interesting how different people drive this transmission – John Connor only uses full manual, I never do! But I bet we both enjoy MOTORing ;)</p>
<p>Boy, either I am stomping on the gas way too much, or something is a little wrong. I am getting Max of 24-25 in my MCSa, with mixed highway / town driving.</p>
<p>I can a little over 30 if I drive on the highway, go 60mph and use cruise control.</p>
<p>I’ve heard the MTH software actually helps gas mileage (I haven’t installed it, yet). Maybe something to do with the computer being calibrated for 93 octane (about all we can get in my neck of the woods).</p>
<p>And I’ve got to agree with what the previous poster said. I am really happy with my tranny, but the thing that REALLY annoys me is that if I am slowing down, and the car decided it needs to go to 2nd (without me telling it to) at the same time that I downshift I end up in 1st instead of second like I was trying to get to.</p>
<p>A MA from Jacksonville told me there are some issues with the computer that controls the transmission not communicating properly with the engine management system. He claims that this can create an unsafe situation where the car is suddenly limited to 15 MPH. Has anyone heard of this or experienced a problem?</p>
<p>There have been some problems with the engine management systems on some of the MCS-a’s. Early on (900 miles), my “Check Engine” light came on and off at will a couple times. Shutting it down for a little while, it seemed to correct itself. However, it finally gave out and put me in “Limp Mode”, thankfully just a mile from home. Starting it the next morning to put it on the tow truck, it showed no signs of a problem-fixed itself again! It’s now been dealer-fixed with a new program and it’s been running great. Onto the mods!
Pete
MyMini</p>
<p>Try matchin the revs. In the slight hesitation while downshifting in Manual Mode, tap the throttle. You will have a much smoother transition.</p>
<p>My MCSa had the EMF problem. When they towed it in, I was told they had 25 others in for the fix. The car didn’t have downshift programming in the computer. It took two days to fix since so many others were in for this problem. I was told that there would be a recall. Mine downshifted fine just stuttered now and then. When it happened, the car would drive but no faster than 5 mph. Scary in the interstate. Fixed now and running fine.</p>
<p>Also a good article on the auto in the July 2005 BMW CCA Roundel magazine.</p>