Over the next few days quite a few MotoringFile readers will be getting behind the wheel of the 2007 MINI Cooper and Cooper S. We thought it might be a good idea to create a place that they could post those experiences. So if you’ve driven a 2007 MINI (US spec or otherwise) post in the comment section below. We want to hear your thoughts on the experience…
My experince of driving R56 was short, but very sweet. I drove the MCS outside the dealer’s showroom in Moscow, Russia. The car was on summer tires and the ground was covered by about 7 cm of snow^ thus I can’t say much about acceleration and handling, though it did handbreak turns like a charm. I thing I can say, is that it is incredibly quiet inside and all the controls seem so much more solid and ergonomic. The new MINI Hi-Fi speakers are on par with the H/K installed previously and in my opinion are a great value for money.
Will write more soon.
Had my R56 Cooper just over a month and 700 miles – loving it!None of the MINIs i’ve owned felt badly put together, but the R56 takes things to another level. I also love all the convenience touches – feels much more a baby BMW now. Just wish it had more chrome in the chrome pack and that the aux socket had worked from new!
Ginger,
What problem did you have with the aux socket ? what do you mean by “from new” ?
So yesterday I got the last chance anyone has to look at the R56 before this weekend’s launch in my town. I stopped by the holding lot to get a look, and one of the guys who preps the cars was moving them all into the garage – said he was instructed to hide them as soon as possible. He was also nice enough to let me take a really close look at the car – basically do everything but drive it.
I have to say the entire feel of the car is a step up in quality from the current version. I was very impressed. Got to look at the engine, sit in the driver’s seat, and generally check it all out. The interior is much better in person than it is in pictures. Very high quality, the seats are more comfortable, the new toggles are pretty cool, the extra glove box is pretty sweet, nice secret hiding place, the ability to lock the rear seats straight up to add more room in the boot, really nice features.
Did notice some “cheaper” items. The windows no longer drop and reseal when opening and shutting the doors, although the doors themselves seem much more solid. Some interior items such as the dome light is much cheaper in feel. The felt lining in the boot seems a bit cheaper. The panel gaps around the bonnet are a bit larger than I am comfortable with and then there are just more seams in the front bumper that make it seem a bit less nice to me. For some reason I forgot to take a good look at the hood scoop to see exactly how that looked from under the bonnet.
I was able to see most of the colors. Sparkling Silver is nice. Mello Yellow is really nice, much better in my opinion than Liquid Yellow (no offense to those who own Liquid Yellows, it was just too light for my tastes). Laser blue is a great color, kind of like the old electric blue, but a bit darker.
Overall, I have to say, that I was impressed. I would have to drive one before I would seriously consider ever giving up mine, but after sitting in one, it definitely piqued my interest.
They are all hidden in the garage now, I stayed until the last one was in, but they have about a dozen total, so there should be plenty of opportunities for test drives once they are able to have them out. Pretty fun experience.
It’s been a few months since I have driven the R56, on the official dealer introduction here in the Netherlands. I’ve driven a pretty basic Cooper, which lacked the sport button, so I can’t comment on the enthusiastic comments about that “Jeckyl-and-Hyde” widget. Overall, in handling and response I didn’t notice a lot of difference with my own ’07 R50 Cooper, except for the suspension (have SSPlus on my R50, so it’s much more harsh).
The dashboard, more in particular the center stack, remains the one big gripe I have about the car, I can’t second the comments that it “looks better in person”; I disagree, it looks just as awkward. I keep saying the R50’s dash was a caricature of the original Mini’s dash (which took time and some factory options to make digestable for me), and the R56’s dash is a caricature of the R50’s. That’s caricature-squared and that’s just one step too far for my taste.
umm, the windows do drop down and raise when you open and close the door, else they’d collide with the roof.
well, at least mine do every time i open/close the doors.
That’s interesting. The windows in the car I was in yesterday did not move up and down when opening and closing the door. I checked it multiple times, unless it’s such small movement that I couldn’t tell. Maybe it was just an issue with that car, though.
Well I must be one of the lucky ones here in the U.S. We got our first five Cooper S’s on Tuesday. It was my day off and I checked MINI DCS from home and saw that the cars left the port. I called the office and my friend/ colleague said that they had arrived but hadn’t been prepped yet. I got ready and ran an errand or two and then popped over to our prep center and took a Sparkling Silver out for a Spin. This car is sinfully fast. It’s so refined in the solid feel of the body and the way it handles the road 90 mph feels like 65 mph in my opinion.
I have now had the opportunity to drive both a Sport Suspension equipped car versus a car with the standard suspension. Man did they get it right the first time. If you really want an aggressive setup that feels solid and transitions almost as if you weren’t actually going around turns the Sport setup is the choice. It won’t be for everybody though and the standard setup is not as aggressive as the R50/ R53 Sport Suspension Plus.
The car overall feels much better in every way except one thing. I need my exhaust sound! The stock sound is o.k. but man when they come out with an exhaust it’ll be one of the firts things I purchase.
The fit and finish of the materials is great. I do agree with VMMVMMM about the panel gap in the hood but I have read that later production cars will be further improved to reduce this look. The same goes for the interior surface. I have also read that the earlier production cars will have slightly larger panel gaps than cars built in Feb. or March production due to further improvements.
The Redwood Red Lounge Leather is a must have for anyone looking for that extra touch of luxury. Those seats are so plush yet supportive that you almost won’t want to get out of the car after driving it. They look “HOT!” too. The seats do clash a little bit with the door panels but it doesn’t bother me. I wouldn’t consider it a big clash. I don’t mind the center stack either. Also the radio operation is straight from the E90 3 series BMW of which I sold three before making the move to MINI and I don’t find it any problem. I hope this all helps anyone reading this and if anyone has any other questions feel free to e-mail me at <a href="mailto:BMWPro77@aol.com">BMWPro77@aol.com</a>. Enjoy your time with this car if you get a chance to drive it soon because I’m abotu to go for another spin. Happy Motoring!
The car may not have been PDI’d yet (Pre Delivery Inspection).
I was able to spend an hour of driving and inspecting an R56 MCS yesterday at my local MINI dealership here in the Northwest. For the record, this is a very busy MINI dealer who is in the midst of a major expansion. In any event there were two R56s sitting in the rain when I drove up. I immediately noticed the Laser Blue/White. It was a vibrant blue which contrasted with an Electric Blue 2002 on the lot. The second car a Sparkling Silver with Black top, and Redwood Lounge Interior. I ordered this combination a week earlier, and was anxious to see the car in the flesh. My MA, a day earlier, said it was a “nice color.†I would concur, but the color didn’t really scream at me. That said, I haven’t changed my order because each color combo has it’s drawbacks for me. I don’t want to sound redundant so I will speak to a couple of things that MINI enthusiasts may find interesting. First, both cars were shod in Dunlop runflats which seemed quieter than my all season Goodyears on a 2003 MCS. My only criticism is the high cost of replacing runflats, but that’s another story. Most seem to dislike the center stack. I can’t say that I hate it, but the design, to my eyes, is a little too Bauhaus as compared to the R53. Perhaps its the anodized silver components, especially the CD module which seems to just hang there. Most people have commented on the upgrade in materials. I would second that. The dash itself oozes with quality that is even better than an Audi A3 or GTI. The only real cheapness that I found was the parcel shelf which seems to made from cheap cardboard. All in all my initial impression is very favorable, and I look forward to my Sparkling Silver MCS in early May.
JP, you saw the sparkling silver when it was overcast–wait until you see it in the daylight. I saw it recently underneath the lights at the Chicago Auto show, and that combination–sparkling silver/black–is stunning. If I was getting an R56, it’d probably be my first choice (I saw in it pictures, wasn’t that impressed with it, but in the flesh, and in bright light, it may now be my favorite color). I have a Dark Silver/White 2006, and for what its worth, it looks blah when its overcast, but under lights at night or when the suns out, it looks great. Sparkling Silver does the same thing.
Ok, I still prefer the R53–the panel gaps, rear hatch bulge, new headlights, center stack, etc, bother me, but not enough that I wouldn’t buy one (and when mine dies, I’ll be right in line for a JCW R56, although I hope that won’t be for many years). But the new seats are fantastic–I have english panther in mine, and even the new cloth seats are significantly more comfortable.
Ok, I cheated, I haven’t driven one yet, I can’t wait to though–and again, although I prefer the previous generation, this next generation is growing on me, and I have no doubt its going to further the Mini’s success.
As an 02 owner, and former MA, I was not too happy
with the changes to the new MINI. I took a Cooper
out today and it was a blast. The transmission is like
night and day from the CVT. I found the car to handle very nicely and I liked being able to change the gears on the paddle shifters. I am now really excited about the new MINI!!!
I posted my comment in the Non functioning Bonnet scoop article before I notice that this was here. It didn’t appear, I have had this problem before where it never did appear, we will see if I suffer from this again.
Sam,
The aux in socket at the bottom of the dash in my car didn’t work in my car from delivery (apparently this is a common fault with the first car and MINI UK are aware). This mean’t no iPod action for the first month ownership – very annoying!
I was also less than impressed when I seemed to know more than the service department about the car! They then proceeded to forget about me and I had to get MINI UK involved in the end to get it sorted.
I’ve got a BMW 335i on loan at the moment, but took my Cooper out last night and thoroughly enjoyed – need more miles though – just 700 at the moment!
Ginger,
Thanks for the info. If you could tell me more… what was wrong with the Aux… was it software or hardware ?
Just testdrove a 2007 Cooper S last night at MINI Richmond in Vancouver, British Columbia. Laser Blue, White Roof and bonnet stripes with R105 18″ wheels. Here are my impressions:
– definitely feels ‘supersized’ compared to my R53 – the muffler tips for example; not just bigger, but HUGE – you could fit the muffler tips of the R53 inside the R56!! It’s gone from too small to too big.
– panel gap between the front hood and the wheelarch plastic panel – a bit too big for my liking, I was able to almost squeeze my pinky in between the gap! Makes the panel gaps on my R53 almost Lexus-like in comparison.
– 3 spoke steering wheel – much better than the R53’s – nice soft feel to the leather, and the multifunction buttons are easier to manipulate.
– Sports seats feel superb, like them much better than the R53’s. Cloth and leatherette finish are much improved over that for the R53. Soft padding on the seatbacks, so no hurting of the knees for rear seat passengers – I did feel that the rear seat had more legroom (not by much)
– to answer the one question many have been asking – does the oval design of the inside of the doors extend past the door itself to ‘finish’ off the oval – the answer is YES.
– start/stop button – works fine, but feels somewhat gimmicky. Makes sense with Comfort Access – if I were to get the R56, Comfort Access is a must have, in my opinion.
– the centre stack and speedometer did not bother me that much once I was behind the wheel, but they didn’t feel as unique/MINI-centric as they should have been. It would be equally at home in other Japanese/European makes.
– Everything is where it should be – rear seat lever, front hood latch, with the exception of the toggle switches lots of things have been normalized – in a funny way it makes the R56 more normal than ever before – and to me, that’s not necessarily a good thing. It’s as if something that only you and your MINI knew, anyone coming from a different car could pick up right away.
– Performance – like everyone has said, this car has torque in spades – but I found myself driving the car hard just to get that viceral sensation I could get with my R53 at lower speeds. Maybe this is what it feels to drive a Subie WRX? I was impressed, but overall not overwhelmed.
Just a few of my impressions, could go on, but it would be pages and pages 🙂
This is my review that I originally posted on the Bonnet scoop section. For posterity:
I saw the R56 for the first time today (Yesterday) and a few impressions,
You can <em>so</em> put a forced air induction on that puppy. That will be so cool. Yeah, I asked if you could swap a MC bonnet with a MCS bonnet. The MA didn’t know.
There was a bonnet rub on the front passenger(US)side of the car from what looked to be an air conditioning filling hose cap. It does look like it will be ease to fix though. (44 miles on this car and it had rubbed through to metal)
Laser blue is a really cool color!
I miss the supercharger whine but the engine sounds really nice and powerful.
The thing that really made the biggest impression on me was the “Fob†Key.
The key, proximity door opening, push start is way cool. The door handles look just like the R50/53 only with a small additional button where your thumb would go. To use it, simply have the Fob near the door, Push the button with your thumb and the car unlocks, then open it just like a R50/53.
The Fob has a valet key built into it that comes out and is able to open the door if the fob is dead. Reinsert fob into “fob hole†and it recharges!
The secret glove box above the glove box is unaccessable (sealed) when you have the iPod adapter put in.
The center stack is still not so pretty but looks less “Playskool†with a higher build quality than the pictures allude to.
That is a huge Speedo! Would like to see one with nav.
Hi, gabe – I get the “spaceball” when I try to save your pics from flickr. Can you change that setting?
p.s. I have driven the R56 and really love the enhancements most people have been mentioning….the on the fly programing options are a really nice, seat adjustments easier and more intuitive, chassis rigidity nicely improved and how cool is that new suspension? I wonder how it will work with non-run-flat tires …..hmmmmm……:) hope those tuners are busy developing new products for us to play with!
WHAT A GREAT NEW MINI we have !
In December while on my honeymoon in London, I tried out a new Mini from Park Lane Mini.
At first glance it might appear that the car hasen’t been changed at all, but probing deeper, the car has been changed a lot.
The interior is now put together with better materials than the previous generation Mini. The half cloth/leather combination seats are very comfortable with support just where you need it. The lever to move the seats forward for rear access is now at the stop of the seat next to the headrest making it a little eaiser to move the seat forward.
I think the central speedometer is now a little too big. I can see the numbers without my glasses leading me to believe it was designed for aging motorers.
The higher beltline of car is visable from the inside. It felt a little like I was sitting in a hole.
The rear folding seat can now be locked into position. Boot capacity doesn’t appear to be any greater that the previous generation.
Clutch action is nice, and the gearshift moves smoothly through the gears. The gearshift knob is a bit unpleasant.
Wheel and tyre size for the Cooper and Cooper S is unchanged from the previous car. I don’t like the wheel designs for the new Mini.
The new Mini is a very nice car, except a few things bother me. I feel the car has been moved over closer to what a BMW should feel like and less what a Mini should. The Mini was critized for hard ride, so BMW soften up both the Cooper and the Cooper S. People complained that the steering was too quick so BMW engineers slowed it down. BMW dialed out what I think made the Mini special. The new car is set up to make more paletable for the average driver. You don’t motor anymore in a Mini, you just drive it.
BMW always went to great lengths to make sure the Mini would not be confused with any BMW. Now the line is blurred. The date code tag on the left front strut mount that reads BMW made just proves my point.
BMW will sell every Mini that they make, and their owners will love the car. But I think the Mini just became a little less special now.
Drove a MCS Mellow Yellow this morning at Towson, MD. Quick, very Quick. 1st time (gonna be a owner) so I have nothing to compare it to. Sport button fenitely gives it soome kick. The MCS did not have sport suspension, and I specced mine without it. The ride seemed great and this will be all that I need. No tracks for me. Bonnett, how much rain will make into the engine area through the headlight area? There is no gaskets or rubber surround around the headlights! Seems alittle hokey. All in all, LOVED IT. CANNOT WAIT!!
This will be a styling critique, as the line to drive one was long, and time was short. Seat time will have to come later.
Interior
Okay, okay, the MINI world is not ending – it just looks that way from certain angles; unfortunately, one of the worst offenders is right from the driver’s seat. The center stack really is cheesy looking, with ungodly plasticky looking, and feeling, knobs and controls – it is beyond me why MINI chose these design elements; they’re even somewhat confusing, and certainly non-intuitive. They have a “cartooney†look, a discordant design theme carried over onto the larger fender flares and an overall lack of subtlety and refinement, strangely in exact opposition to the mechanical end of the new design. The lounge leather was admittedly awesome, tho – the seats looked and felt like something from a much more expensive car. I’m all over those. The codpiece seats still look yucky to me, but they are quite comfy – I’d jump for the lounge, myself, tho. The pedals are bit too far apart for comfortable heel-and-toe, but I get a sense of more room in length for the front-seaters, at least as far as the general placement of things.
I’m not too sure about the interrupted oval elements in the doors; not only is there less storage all around in the interior – you can just about keep a pair of matchbooks in the rear seat “coin slotsâ€ÂÂ, and maybe three of ‘em in the extremely reduced front door pockets, and don’t get me started on the glove box: room for one only unless you cut the fingers off both – anyway, with the driver’s door open it looked like two broken rib ends sticking out of the red leather….uh….no. The back seats are still for Billy Barty and his family, but they’ll have more butt room, at least – sadly, my 6′2″ noggin says less headroom.
Exterior
As I mentioned, the bigger flairs are, well, BIGGER, and they serve the new design to keep the proportions commensurate with the first MINIs, but I can’t help thinking 3/4 of an inch less outside radius would have been more elegant. Under no circumstances should these be painted body-color, the car would look heavy and disjointed. I still would have an assendectomy if I got the newest MINI coupe – Sir Mix-a-lot might like it, but I see it as a styling continuation of the less stylish, higher belt-line – it looks fat-assed. Ixnay on the uttbay, guys, in the next new and improved, and try to slim down the chrome trim – looks like it was stuck on with a trowel, when it should be done with a fine camel-hair brush. The headlights are deceptively large – they look a helluva lot smaller than they really are…until you open the hood. Holy Cow! I can stick my head thru the headlight cut-outs, and I did so without removing my specs – freaking huge holes! I could only think of Mister Magoo, but that wasn’t the cartoon element they were shooting for, I’m sure. Speaking of opening the hood, interestingly, MINI has chosen a retro theme – they are acknowledging the blood line of old Mini release latch, literally. On the original Minis, the latch was hangin’ down right in the center of the open hood, and was a nice skull-gouger if you weren’t careful; the newest MINI has a frighteningly similar one offset to the right now, so if you do a lot work on your engine, better hope your genetics don’t hold the promise of male-pattern baldness. Then again you could always say you got the scars fighting Finnish sailors down on docks, I guess.
The presentation of the new MINI engine is BBBBOOOORRRIIINNNGG. What happened to that wonderful intercooler???, a flat-out loud visual that your ‘S’ had something special in there! Now there’s just a coupla boxes about the size of a fat man’s lunch, just sittin’ there like lumps. Oh the humanity – it will never, I repeat never, look as boy racer as the last ‘S’, sigh – remember when everybody would open their hood to show off, even the Coopers? I predict this will be less common. And what’s with the agricultural exhaust pipe cover right in front on the ‘S’ – it looks like something my 10-year old once hammered out of a Julian Pie tin in Scout Camp. Change the stampings there, boys. The best thing, tho, is this motor will be easier to work on, and has less of thrown-together look overall – a place for everything, and everything in its place.
The headlights really do look good with the hood closed, and if it saves a few jay-walkers, at least MINI did a bang-up job on the front-end styling overall, IMHO. The average joe will prolly not even notice any difference, and a lot of slight inconsistencies in the previous version are cleaned up nicely – the grill is beautifully proportioned, and no hint of the dreaded “snout†look. I’m not going to comment on the scoop – ’nuff said already, by just about everyone in the civilized world. The rear tail lights have a bit of the too-heavy chrome look, but once again, MINI has kept the faith with placement and shape. I noticed as well the rear wheel wells are less shrouded on the inside – the bits and pieces of the suspension are much more visible, giving it a look like a thinly-veiled racer. The new yellow – FEKKIN’ AWESOME! Close to Fly Yellow, and so much more warmer – way to go MINI!
Overall: Grade B
Outside: Grade – B+, with a mention in dispatches.
Inside: Grade – C, with a lot of homework assigned and the admonishment that the parents don’t do all the work.
Engine compartment: Grade – C+, with a chance to improve with extra project work.
For an evolutionary design, MINI got it pretty much right – strangely enough, on the way up and back, we saw a split window Beetle, an oval-window Beetle, and one of the last non-Super Beetles from the seventies – evolutionary designs that were related and deliberately so; MINI needs to focus on keeping the MINI an icon, and if that means a certain amount of sameness, they need to keep those basic elements just so; any tweaking should be done as carefully as possible. You don’t want MINI becoming just another small car that follows styling conventions just for the sake of caprice.
BCNU,
Rob in Dago
Last night I went to the MOP launch party and test drove an MCa. It was an Astro Black/Black automatic, with Tuscan Beige interior, fully loaded, except for the nav of course. It was very strange to be holding a key that was nontraditional. The push button start was responsive. In the 5 minutes that I got to drive it down the road (because there was a line of people waiting) I used the Sport Button for half the time. There was a very noticeable difference, namely the “Zoom” factor. The leather was firm. The interior was Piano Black and Cream White, but I couldn’t get a good look because it was outside and dark.
Inside the showroom I also took a look at a Chili Red/Black with Leatherette interior. Impressive, I must say. The contrast between the different colored pieces in the seats is not nearly as bad as the configurator portrays it. The toggle switches were tactile, and I even tried the MFSW, which was actually intuitive and easy to use. I noticed one thing that I never eally saw before in pictures: the C-pillar, which is now outside the glass, has a odd shape that juts out, which I suppose is for aerodynamic purposes.
Next, I saw a Sparkling Silver/Black with Redwood Lounge leather. If you are getting this combination… you are gonna love it. It looks very classy. The seats were so soft and comfortable, and surprisingly not as orange as I expected. The star of the show was Mellow Yellow/Black. It looked really sharp. The audio was alright, although I couldn’t really blast it inside the showroom to recreate how loud it would be if I were driving. Also, as I was leaving, there was a Laser Blue/White outside that had the same vinyl graphics as Coop (of Hammer and Coop)! So overall,
Things I Liked:
-Sport button
-if the MC was this fun, imagine the MCS
-the sport seats
-the “hidden” glove compartment
-MFSW
-Redwood Louge leather
-fully adjustable steering wheel
Things I Didn’t Like:
-glass no longer wraps around back
-the trunk looks so small!
-the Sport Leather steering wheel feels more like grip-tape wrapped than leather wrapped
-the turn dials on the side of the center stack
-not being able to try the sunroof in the cold weather!
I just got home from test driving an 07 MCS and I’m in severe pain! I was grinning so hard driving the MCS that I think I sprained something in my face… Seriously, if I was to grin another inch, the top of my head would fall off!
Ok, enough of describing my joy with the experience of driving the R56 MCS. While I have limited experience driving any Mini, I can say that the R56 MCS rides better than it’s predecessor and the sport button really is a Jekyll/Hyde switch. I spent about 30 minutes driving around town and on the interstate both with the sport button on and off. I am impressed.
The laser blue MCS I test drove was a no-frills car. It had the leatherette interior with brushed alloy trim, the 6 speaker standard stereo, center arm rest, convenience package, auto climate control, 16″ wheels/tires and chrome interior trim. I will try to cover everything that I’ve read were concerns here and on NAM.
1: The center stack, IMHO, really doesn’t look bad in person. It might to a long-time Mini enthusiast but I personally didn’t see what all the griping was about.
2: The sport button really is a Dr. Jekyl / Mr. Hyde button. There is a very discernable difference in both the steering and throttle response.
3: The standard 6 speaker stereo system sounds really great. The interface is a bit confusing until you get used to it but other than that, I feel it is a top-notch sound system though I will opt for the 10 speaker system.
4: The gaps on the MCS I test drove seemed close to the 06 MCS I test drove a few weeks ago. The fit and finish of the 07 was fantastic IMHO.
5: The leatherette standard seats were comfortable and I’m not a small man. I stand 6′ tall and weigh in at around 240 lbs. My biggest gripe is that the door window sill just isn’t a comfortable place to rest my left arm and the left arm rest is too low to rest it there. As I’m right-handed, I don’t know what to do with my left arm.
6: When set to high, the heated seat will cook your behind!
7: The center arm rest was the perfect high and position for me.
8: I didn’t get much of a chance to play with the automatic climate control because the car was already warmed up when I test drove it and it was comfortable inside. I did bump it up a few degrees and it silently raised the temperature.
9: The differences in the body of the 07 versus the 06 are, IMHO, minor if anything. To me it is hard to tell an 06 from an 07. In my opinion both are beautiful cars.
There was a 2007 MCS in Sparkling Silver w/Black roof and bonnet stripes with redwood lounge leather at the dealership and that particular combinations of colors is dead sexy on a Mini. If I wasn’t absolutely certain that that will be the dominant color scheme, I’d change my preference from laser blue in a heartbeat.
Was able to drive a R56 S today-North eastern region. Seems there’s a little more room in the front seats. I’m not a fan of the new center stack, I don’t like the HVAC controls-The MINI logo reminds me of Bozo the Clown.
The R56 feels more refined than the R53, but that’s what I like about my R53. It’s the old raw & uncooked argument. I love my exhaust sounds (JCW).
Another thing I couldn’t help but notice is the uneven gap between the hood & the side wheel arch. I don’t mean to be picky, but not what I’d expect from BMW.
Overall, not a bad job. The R50/53 initial quality was improved in ’05, so naturally the R56 will improve over time.
Tested a lovely Cooper S at Mini of Peabody in MA today. I’m now working with the miniusa configurator to design one of my very own, and have already sent a couple more questions to the Salesman. I’m looking forward to having one that’s all mine Mine MINE.
I last test drove in 2004, and I was hooked then but not ready to buy. I know many MF readers mourn the change to a turbocharger, but the turbo performance is VERY nice (spoken as the owner of many Saab turbos, and there are a lot of criticisms I won’t bother sharing about them). I’m delighted with the new R56, and am not at all sad that I’ve waited until its debut to order one.
Come Spring time, if you see a Laser Blue S on the roads north and west of Boston… it might be me. ;^)
Ok I drove the R56 Cooper (automatic) today, it was the only one available at the time I was there.
I was so hoping the center stack would be better in front of me, it wasn’t, It seemed cheap.
I found the new toggle switches attractive but not easy to use, they seemed too low on the stack or something.
I hated the transmission, lots of scream, but not that much go, it felt a lot slower than my ’05 Cooper.
I also had a weird problem with the turn signal – it doesn’t stay “in position”, even though the indicator keeps blinking, although it didn’t always keep blinking – and I couldn’t work out why.
I loved the new rdigital readout, and the we the rear seats backs could be set forward slightly, and I could even get used to the lheadlights and the higher ‘waist line’.
All in all the car is nice, but I’m not going to rush out and get one. I’m still too happy with what I have.
My problems were all pretty trivial,
I drove the ’70 today. It was nice, I must comment.
1. The turn signal selector… Is a lever that pushes a button. It is electronic, and the noise that the car makes to give an audible is loud and annoying. When stopped at a light I noticed that when you move the gear selector left to right and back it cancels the signal.
2. The ride was ok, a bit too smooth for me, I mean this IS a MINI, right?
3. The seats were un-eventful.
4. The “key” is a bit clumsy, you must make sure you click it in.
5. I REALLY miss the supercharger!!! The turbo had the power, but not having the car screaming at you when you get on the gas is something that I am not too sure I could live without.
This new car makes me glad that I got my ’05 and that I can still order an ’07 and ’08 vert.
I just got back from test driving the R56 MCS. A few comments. First of all I had the misfortune of driving with the ‘Fun Police.’ I’ve had my deposit down for like 6 months. I got the crappiest mini test drive I’ve ever had. I can’t rev it over 5k. Made a small loop, then came back. With that limited experience I have a few comments:
-The new car is great. I love the steering feel. I love the suspension (this one had sport). I’m glad I have a deposit down. I wish I could get the car sooner. I am just bummed I couldn’t spend more time with it.
-I love the seats. Lounge leather is great. The leatherette is great too. The rake adjustment made it easy for me to be 100% comfortable in this car. As a comparison I jumped in an R53 and felt much less comfortable. The R56 I feel like I’m sitting IN it instead of ON it.
-Radio controls are laid out in a funny way. I definitely grabbed for the tuner knob to adjust the volume a few times. But other than that It isn’t as bad as people have been saying.
-The interior is wonderful. MUCH better than the R53. (Sorry guys it is just an opinion remember). The HVAC controls specifically the vertical fan speed and temperature buttons felt VERY cheap. I can agree with that.
Some Critiques:
-The turnstalk/turnsignal. I think this is honestly the worst part of the car. It’s a weird switch you press down and the stalk doesn’t stay in the position. So it is really weird to try and cancel the turn signal. I found myself unknowingly sigaling the other direction by accident. Shame on mini for having a completely electronic turnsignal. Also the plastic on the stalk felt super cheap.
-Like I said before the ‘side’ HVAC controls felt really cheap too.
-The hidden compartment above the glovebox felt a little cheesey too.
Great car though. Anyone buying one will be happy they did. I just wish I could have mine now.
On a side note, don’t drive an MZ4 Coupe right after the mini like I did. 😀
Drove two new MCS cars today. Personally I’m glad for the balance of comfort and handling. The cars on the standard suspension felt like you could attack the road and not loose your teeth over the bumps. It rolls and squats a bit. The engine had good torque most everywhere. LSD a must! The sport button is more of a personal preference in my opinion. It’s what you’re used to that will matter if you use it often. I forgot to turn it on in my first car. When I did in the 2nd it was noticeable and different but I’m not convinced it would produce any faster track times, etc. Brakes seemed very good. 16″ tires were more comfortable over bumps than 17″ though only by the usual amount.
The exterior is fine. The standard s-winder wheels look to be very light weight.
The interior is nice and I didn’t look too close to see any fit problems. Cloth seats could have a bit heavier material and is much like on the new base Rabbit 2dr except for the checkers. The Lounge leather is great and leatherette is nice. The seats are still not as comfortable as some of the competition like VW. They seemed a bit small to my 6’4″. Standard radio sound is marginal or below par for this class. Controls are OK. HVAC control are a bit light and the Auto HVAC does looks a bit less cheap. The chrome interior package looks nice with most of the trims and I think I would order that if I get a 2nd chance. The Aluminum trim color sometimes looked a bit green to me and there were some noticeable surface imperfections in the checkered trim. Is the sunroof shade a joke? I moved it just enough to scare myself I would break it. Turn signal stalk, move it till you feel the “notch” and it stays on, is easy and logical once you’re used to it and really no different than any other.
I’m not a previous MINI owner. The driving exceeded my expectations and I think would even more so over time. The exterior met my expectations. The interior was a bit below my expectations. I may go compare a GTI again just to make sure I still want the MINI.
I drove one this week and posted a review that is too long to post here but you can read it at <a href="http://www.motoringfun.com/2007/02/15/a-sneak-peak-at-the-r56/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.motoringfun.com/2007/02/15/a-sneak-peak-at-the-r56/</a>
WOW! I went down to my local Mini dealership today to check out the newly arrived R56. I couldn’t have made a better decision to bring along my fiancee, because it resulted in a new orbital key fob dropped in my hand with direction to return the car in one piece.
Having never owned a Mini, but being a long time fan and potential buyer I have test driven the R53 MCS prior to the R56 MCS. I have to say I was disappointed in the performance of the R53 in my test drive. The R56 was noticeably faster, and nothing less than a joy to drive.
»The sport suspension was a bit harsh imho for everyday driving.»The new turbo is awesome, and the overboost kick at 4.5k-5k rpm painted a huge grin on my face.»The center stack and (gimongous) speedo look better in person than in pictures, as many others have noted.»<b>I noticed an annoying wind noise from the sunroof even when it was closed</b>. Has anyone else noticed this?»Another complaint I had was the cheapness of some interior parts. I know that this is a $20k car, but I must say the VW GTI interior is a step up. (But the leatherette was very nice, and we both thought it would be our first choice in interior compared to the $1900 lounge leather option)»Also I looked closely at the hood scoop, and <b>it most definitely blocked the air flow to the engine.</b>
Overall an awesome car though. I hope to own one later this year once some of the initial kinks are fixed.
I test drove a cooper last night at mini richmond in british columbia also. It was great! the handling was awesome. i found myself always increasing my speed on the road and it was soo hard to stay one speed. the thing i disliked about it was the signaling. it was kind of weird and will take a bit to get used to. also, the interior ambience lighting was not bright enough and i couldnt even tell that they were on. the center console seems a bit confusing too but i love the car overall. still deciding whether to get an S or just the cooper but the car is awesome. one of the things i love the most is the key. when i saw it i was amazed because it was a circle. the engine on the cooper sounded nice, the ride was smooth, handling was awesome, and the ride was very comfortable. overall, the car is GREAT and i LOVE it, cant wait to get mine!
I test drove a Cooper S yesterday at MINI of Morristown. The place was very busy and my MA was busy with customers so the sales manager took me out for the ride. I own an 06 MCS w/JCW that I got in September so that is what I have to compare it to. The first look at the 07 S was nice. Having read a lot of reviews I had to go in with an open mind. From the outside it is hard to see the difference at first, but once you look closer you can notice the differences. Getting inside you felt at home, sure some things were moved around and missing but it was still a comforting feeling. I started up the MINI and off we went. The first thing I noticed was the sound, were did it go? The 07 is more softly spoken and the SC sound is gone. The car handles great, there was still some snow on the road so I was not really pushing the MINI too much. I did notice the slightest bit of lag with a hard exceleration, but not like the turbos of days gone past. The car is tight, smooth and really a pleasure to drive. The center stack looks very cheap but the rest of the interior is nice. The momentary contact of the turn signals took a while to get used to but is also nice. The comfort feature is very cool, as you walk away from the car the doors lock, and with the key in your pocket you just have to grap the door handle and it unlocks the doors. In all, the 07 is a very sweet ride. Would I give up my 06 JCW? Not on your life, but I would add the 07 to the stable.
Saw an S parked outside local dealer. Looks much bigger when parked next to current car though I doubt non-MINI followers would notice. Like the 17 inch web spokes and most of the exterior detailing. The gaps
look like a PIA to wax/detail around BUT I found the oversized side vent more objectionable.
Interior looks like a nice upgrade. This car had the Larry the Lounge Lizard seats. Nice looking if a bit too “orangy” for me. I would opt for the black. The speedo does not look as big as Rosie’s head in real life BUT I think the Fisher-Price center stalk would look much better in all matte black.
The true test will be seat of the pants. The drivetrain and seating comfort will have to be drastically improved w/ minimal “giveback” to put me in a new car. There is nothing at first glance that would stop me from buying the car BUT it would have to be an overwhelmingly better driver to move me to a new car.
Morristown already sold one of their sparkling silver/rusty interior combo on the premise, I was told by a salesman, that the color is already slated for dicontinuation on hardtops.
oh. and. I shoulda got a GP.
word is there are still some out there:
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A coupla things I neglected to note on my previous post – the tilt-up rear of the sunroof actually looks kinda cool, and it would be a nice substitute for the lack of pop-out rear quarter windows, if it works as advertised. I certainly miss the days when I could reach back behind me with my left hand at full extension and open the window back there, but that was when my favorite car was only ten feet long! There is a distinct lack of good flow-thru when the R50/R53 windows are rolled down, and the buffeting can be a distraction during a nice drive on a spring day. I have always wanted a rear opening in the passenger cabin to alleviate this, and the double opening sunroof should do the trick. I’ll have to try it out on a drive. The retractable sunroof screen seems less substantial, and I hope it’s up to the task, but alas, as before, no actual sun-blocking cover is offered, so for those in the desert, get a hat. There are also a helluva lotta switches in the new MINI, a potential distraction when driving, IMHO.
Another point of contention, with me at least, is the lack of suitable wheels – I see none of them that interest me, so the aftermarket beckons. As we are first on the list at our preferred dealer for the upcoming MINI wagon, things may change by then, and as I understand it, there will be some body color options in the offing as well, tho Chris has taken a liking to Nightfire Red – she always did have a thing for deep metallic reds.
The latch for entering the back seats is now quite easy to ascertain in its function, but like much of the plastic bits lately, it seems lacking in sturdiness – one wonders how it will be in a few years if used regularly. I also couldn’t get the seat to return to the same spot as when it was unlatched, it seems to stop at the same place on the rails every time; sort of annoying to re-adjust constantly, and for tall folks, better learn to scrunch up a lot getting back into the car with guests in town.
All in all, for a completely different car, it’s actually visually much more like the R50/R53 than not; it’s as if you’re viewing something thru a steamy shower door – you know something tantalizingly familiar is almost visible, and one hopes it’s a Louise Brooks on the other side, and not a Basil Wolverton creation. For me it’s not quite Brooksie, but it could be Rita Hayworth in a pinch.
BCNU,
Rob in Dago
Ok, so today I had a chance to drive the R56 MCS. I must say, this is something I’ve been waiting on since before I ever even ordered my 2006 MCS back in June of 06. I had to make a decision at that point to go for the MINI I knew I loved, or to wait it out and see how impressed I was with the new model. I wish I had more time, like a weekend testdrive, to really get a chance to get a feel for the car. The car I drove was a MCS, 6-speed manual, non-sport suspension, no-DSC, 16″ runflats.
I’m glad I didn’t wait. Let me say though, that is not because this is not a good car. I am glad I didn’t wait because I’ve experienced so much already by owning BLISS, that it’s something I do not regret at all! I do think that the R56 is a wonderful car, and will make plenty of owners very happy. I do think that it’s a bit softer now, as you will soon see…
These cars NEED a suspension upgrade. As someone who bought this car with suspension as a top priority I was very upset that the non-sport suspension was so soft and so hard to predict. In all honesty, not upgrading the MINI suspension in some way is as bad of a mistake as ordering an automatic. Actually, with that said… MINI has “Americanized†the R56. “Order me up an MCS with automatic, big ‘ol cupholders, soft suspension, and make the car a little fatter too if you don’t mind, it’s making my rear look small in comparison. By the way, what the heck is a sport button for? Who would want to drive ’sporty’?â€ÂÂ
I don’t like the softening effect taking place at MINI. The arches, the rear end, the bonnet (at least if your head smashes into it when you walk out into traffic), they have all been toned down and softened. I try to look at it with optimism in hopes that the only reason they softened the MCS is so that when the JCW car comes out all of the true drivers will find the car they have been looking for. Sure, you can order your MCS with a sport suspension, a 6-speed manual, and go ahead and use that sport button, but there is just something lacking. Where is the heavy steering or the supercharger screaming as I tear through the twisties?
So you are out driving your new MINI, but then you try to use the A/C, or maybe find a radio station. Ha! Unless you’ve spent your first 48 hours with your new MINI sitting in the driveway, reading the manual and figuring out what everything does, you have no chance at SAFELY operating your new car. One thing MINI really screwed up on was the center console. Not only does it look like they asked Tyco to supply their buttons and switches this time around, but they apparently forgot that you wouldn’t be looking at your feet while driving. Unless you take your eyes off the road for a few seconds, it is very difficult to make adjustments to anything other than the fan speed or temperature. I guess you could adjust the volume too, since they made use of dead space by randomly throwing the volume knob in.
The aesthetics inside the new 01-06 MINIs were, well, not wonderful. They at least seemed to pull off a wonderful design though, something that the R56 does not do. They added a really fun “color line†and gave more knee room to people in the front, but screwed up the placement of everything you’ll use while operating your car. The interior design of the new MINI is wonderful in some places and disastrous in others. The tach is visible now and the door handles feel solid. The switches will be hidden behind your 44oz Big Gulp though, and if you want to change where the heat or air comes from you’ll need to look down and fiddle for a minute. The new seats are a great improvement, though they appeared to give way a little easier when REALLY pushing through the corners. Oh, and in case you were wondering how fast you were going, just ask the cop 5 cars behind you, I’m sure he’ll be able to read your center speedo now.
To sum up my views on the R56 MINI, I’m not sure exactly how I feel. They may have improved upon the refinement of the car in many ways, but by doing so, they have robbed us of some of the “motoring†feel that we loved with the R50/R53. I don’t feel the road as much, and I don’t enjoy the drive like I do in my R53. I’m sure it’s a much more livable car for the everyday American, but that’s not who I am, or who MINI has focused on for years. I want to really DRIVE, and really MOTOR. What happened to “Let’s Supercharge, let’s lane change, let’s motor?†Now all MINI wants us to feel is “Let’s cupholder, let’s quiet down, let’s soften.â€ÂÂ
Please, BMW/MINI, please make the JCW car soon. And please use the GP as your platform, not your typical American A-B Transportation.
Happy R53 Motoring!
Drew
Drove a R56 MCS (short drive) today:
1) Having driven an R53 with the supercharger whine (has anyone yet mentioned it’s like the sound from Mel Gibson’s supercharged police interceptor in Mad Max? (as an aside – that supercharger was non-functional – the sound was edited in)- I miss it. If I hadn’t known the whine, it wouldn’t be missed, because the motor is otherwise great. Sport button really makes a difference.
2) Sunroof closed is noisy; the wind noise it makes sounds like a whole roof rack was added.
3) Red Lounge leather is very nice; not sure if it’s $1900 nice, but looks great with the sparkling silver/black body.
4) Center stack – I’m neutral about it – it does seem that a line of toggles, while giving that NASA spacecraft look, makes it hard to discern the correct switch by touch alone
5) standard suspension seemed fine to me (short ride) – be good to hear from those with the opportunity to compare with the sport suspension
6) tach just seems to be in a bad spot – I tried to adjust the wheel out of the way – couldn’t
Took delivery of my ’07 Chili Pepper red w/ white top Mini on Saturday. The dealer, Global Imports of Atlanta, said mine was the second ’07 delivered that day.
After only 120 miles, here is what I see:
It looks and feels bigger than our ’04 (which we kept – my wife wouldn’t part with it under any circumstances) especially in the dash area. It feels like we are peering over the dash rather than looking across. Noticable wind noise, a low whistle, from the closed sunroof when over 35-40 mph. Tried opening and closing the roof several times, no change.
The auto transmission is noisy in the lower gears but quiets out at road speed. Is shifting more smoothly all the time, just may be a wear-in issue. The engine sounds more wheezy than I expected with this new iteration and I thought more sophisticated design. Again, this is from moderate motoring as I always pay attention to the wear-in instructions.
The radio is the most complex component in the car, I sat in the garage for 45 minutes getting it set up. First thing on our drive into work this morning my wife changed the stations attempting to change the volume. A minor point but looks like poor ergonomics.
Out on the highway it has the Mini feeling of stability and sure-footedness. Cruising at 70 has the engine at a relaxed 2,700 rpm’s, this will be a good touring Mini. Ride is softer (more compliant, actually) and absorbs the poor Atlanta street surfaces very well.
The sport seats are great, feel just like the previous ones. The dealer said ours was the first punched leather option they had seen, and everyone was admiring the appearance. I like the marginally bigger boot – we get a week’s groceries in the ’04, should be a certain fit now.
The ignition fob is an odd touch. I have two other cars with push button starters, and both of those feel purposeful. The Mini fob/push button seems contrived somehow. It takes two steps to accomplish one action, whereas in the other cars inserting and turning a key (similar actions) seems more natural or meaningful. Not quite sure how to describe this, it just isn’t a favorite feature of ours.
Steering is overboosted. Too soft, but some road feel does get through. I would prefer this turned down about 50%, too bad there isn’t a dial adjustment for the electric boost.
Breaks are powerful but grabby. Again, this may be a wear-in issue.
More to follow, this is our new daily driver so I’ll be rolling up the highway and urban miles pretty quickly.
I have a deposit in but am waiting for GPS. I was able to look at some R56s in the dealers lot in Maryland USA 2 days before the official launch. On launch day, I arrived late in the AM and was still the first to drive a mellow yellow MCS. The engine was cold, and it was great to see how it performed as it warmed up. This R56 just had the sport package and that was enough, I wondered why I was waiting to add bells and whistles like GPS, this car was lots of fun with few options. I think the essental MINI is still alive and well, it felt different than all the R53s I had driven before, but it is hard to describe the difference. The test drive was great, it is best in sport mode, why turn it off ever?
A lot of earlier comments are dead on. The turn signal is a little wierd. The center stack buttons and AC controls look a little cheap, like controls for a toy car. Not to insult Toyota Celica owners, but it reminded me of the interior of a Celica. I thought the point of the Mini interior design was more of a hard metal look, and the dials take away from that. The front end is kind of squirmy on rapid acceleration, and what is wrong with that? Nothing. That is a fine problem to have in a car, lots of power. The sport cloth seats are great and if you want to minimize price, there is no need to upgrade. I can’t comment on the radio, I was too busy smiling to turn it on.
As for the colors, I really like the red lounge leather seats, but it limits your choice of car colors. I was surprised at some of the positive comments on the sparkling silver, it seems misnamed because it is really “champagne,” a color sold on many Hondas and Toyotas through the 90s, Mini is just calling it sparkling silver.
That said, I am having a hard time picking a color and wanted to hear what other reviewers thought of the colors. Lighter colors are a preference because you can be seen better. I also was hoping to hear more about wheel choices and what people thought.
PS Did the launch date for the Sirius and real time traffice get moved back by Mini? Do you have any info on that? I thought you could order it in March. Thanks
I’ve gone in for 3 test drives over the years since the MINI was brought back to life by BMW, so I’ve seen them, but haven’t lived with one. I drove a new MCS yesterday.The R56 is clearly a fine, solid, comfortable and fun ride. Since my driving style isn’t necessarily “racetrack aggressive” on the roads here in L.A., I can’t really compare it in that mode. If felt very comfortable and solid. To my eye the center console didn’t look all that bad, but I admit that one of the things I like is the quirk factor of the oversized speedo. The door loops are indeed plastic, but the short door handles were the brushed alloy. Sure, it would be better if all the trim were alloy, but I was surprised by how well the two materials matched up.
Again, the turn signals feel different, but that shouldn’t be a problem after a day or so. It’s going to take three steps to get moving: Put the fob/key in, push the Start button, and push the Sports button. The difference with the Sports button on was like night and day to me.
Since I’m taking delivery of mine in about two weeks, I’m most concerned about the Sunroof noise. No question that it was there at higher speeds with the Sunroof fully closed. I mentioned it to the MA and he agreed and said that it’s been mentioned by others.
From those in the know: Is this something that will be able to be fixed?
I saw the R56 for the first time last wednesday, But I have had a few problems posting, gotta love wordpress.
A few impressions,
You can <em>so</em> put a forced air induction on that puppy. That will be so cool. Yeah, I asked if you could swap a MC bonnet with a MCS bonnet. The MA didn’t know.
The key, proximity door opening, push start is way cool. The door handles look just like the R50/53 only with a small additional button where your thumb would go. To use it, simply have the Fob near the door, Push the button with your thumb and the car unlocks, then open it just like a R50/53.
There was a bonnet rub on the front passenger(US)side of the car from what looked to be an air conditioning filling hose cap. It does look like it will be ease to fix though. (44 miles on this car and it had rubbed through to metal)
Laser blue is a really cool color!
I miss the supercharger whine but the engine sounds really nice and powerful.
The thing that really made the biggest impression on me was the “Fob†Key.
The Fob has a valet key built into it that comes out and is able to open the door if the fob is dead. Reinsert fob into “fob hole†and it recharges!
The secret glove box above the glove box is unaccessable (sealed) when you have the iPod adapter put in.
The center stack is still not so pretty but looks less “Playskool†with a higher build quality than the pictures allude to.
That is a huge Speedo! Would like to see one with nav.
Stopped by MINI of Sterling (VA) late this afternoon and got to take a long drive in a yellow 2007 MCS. Here are some brief comments.
Exterior: Overall shape is fine. As many before me have stated I dislike the loss of the curved rear side glass and hate the plastic piece that takes its place. I really dislike the bulge of the body where it meets the glass in the rear area. Surprisingly the front does not bother me too much. Overall it is acceptable but I really like the look of my 02 MCS more.
Interior: Center stack – sucks (but everybody already knows that 😉 Overall everything else is really nicer. With the new telescoping and tilting wheel finding the right driving position is much easier. The quality of the cloth seats was very good I thought (my car has leather)
Driving thoughts: I completely forgot to hit the sport button!!! However, I found the car to be quite peppy but very quiet. I would definatly be adding an exhaust right away if I got one. The car reved freely and had power throught out the rev range but again, too quiet even at higher rpms. The shift action was nice but other than better gear ratios (which were improved on 05 and 06 MCSs) I did not feel it was so much better than my tranny. I believe it is hard to tell until a transmission has some miles on it. This car only had 98 miles. I think the car maintains all of the fun tossability but I must admit that I prefer the hear all and feel all I get from my 02. I would buy one of these but think I’ll wait to see the clubman.
By the way, there was no insulation on the MCS I saw.
Anyone have any info on the future JCW kit…please share.
Added more photos of the R56 Cooper automatic and Cooper S 6-speed manual. Completed back to back test drives last night and will have a review later today. For now, some pics to wet your appetite:
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also wanted to add that the Cooper handled better than the MCS. The R56 S was very nice overall, but the handling at the limit was a turn off when compared to the R53, even with SS+ suspension and sport button active all the way. Also the extremely light clutch pedal action was unsettling for me. Perhaps this is great for someone new to manual transmission, but for me, I had to re-learn launching the car out of 1st gear because the damn pedal almost gives no feedback. This is one of the most significant differences owners of the R53 will notice on the R56 MCS manual.
Conversely, after my 30 minute drive in the R56 MCS and coming back to my car, I had to re-learn launching out my R53 out of first gear. The clutch pedal in the old car is decidely FIRM but love the fact that it gives you feedback when it “bitesâ€ÂÂ.
The new shifter in the MCS is smooth and direct but I found the throws to be a little on the long side. Reverse is now a piece of cake, but way to easy now to accidentally engage it in the midst of traffic.
More details to come later, but all I can say is this: Current R53 owners (Specially 2005 and 2006) don’t have to lose sleep over the new car. The steering’s calibration and out of the box suspension settings (Not to mention the oh intoxicating supercharger whine and exhaust burble)are still a cut above of the R56. Drving the R56 you can clearly see how BMW decidely over engineered the R53. You may ask how the R53 JCW GP fares against the R56 MCS? No contest! The R53 JCW GP kills the R56 MCS in every measure of performance and handling. The JCW GP will continue to be, for sometime, the fastest best handling Cooper S from factory.
The fastest until the ’08 JCW comes out. An inside source (MINI employee)told me the JCW will come in three stages. 200hp available in the fall with two more 25hp upgrades coming withing six months after. If there in any truth in this then apologies to Gabe for stealing his thunder as he stated he would have JCW news this week. I hope this is legit!
Did the test drive.I like it.Torquey and quick. seats
drastically improved, ride is way better (this car had sports susp and 17s). Steering too light w/o sport button engaged. Had a heckuva time figuring out how to turn on radio. Could use a “short shifter” option.
No problem getting used to turn signals but I wish the center stalk was a bit nore “low key”. Other interior details were quite nice and appeared to be upgraded.
Needs an exhaust system.
I look at this as a polishing of the last generation.
Maybe it has lost a bit of its “edginess” but they same the same about contempory Porsches and Ferraris too. We are just going to have to get used to PROGRESS.
2 thumbs up. Still feels like a MINI to me albeit a more comfortable MINI.
Hey all. I posted a pretty extensive review up on <a href="http://www.thecarlounge.net" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.thecarlounge.net</a>
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Yes a short throw shifter would be a great option.
I took delivery of my 2007 R56 MCS DS on 2/21/07, 6-speed manual, LSD, Sport Susp., Premium, Sports + Cold Weather Pkgs,Hi-Fi, Black/Grey Leatherette, Center Arm Rest,.
Drove 110 miles home – a WONDERFUL ride. Great at touring speed on the freeway, FANTASTIC on the twisties.
IMO the negative comments on this vehicle are unwarranted regarding Quality, Fit/Finish and Performance. (FYI – one of my other vehicles is a 2005 Porsche Boxster S, 6-speed manual w/19” Wheels).
I have driven the 2006 R53 MCS, and IMHO, the R56 is a more complete (finished/finessed) vehicle. While the photos and reviews are helpful, you really need to DRIVE the R56 before issuing comments on this car. So far, my only significant hurdle has been the complexity of the radio programming, which should be acccomplished in a short amount of time.
However, it is great to know that our road systems can adequately accomodate all of the Mini series.
Go Motor!
Hi Download_Complete, thanks for the extensive review – appreciate it.
Okay, so here is my late take on the new R56… I took an extensive test drive yesterday at Bob Smith in a sparkling silver, lounge leather MCS. <strong>HATE THE SUNROOF!</strong> Way too loud for everyday driving and yes it was closed and closed as tightly as the car would allow. As this was the bane of my existence (sp?) with my ’02 MCS, I am slightly more attuned to the noise this device creates. Wait to get one until they fix this. FWIW my ’06 does not have one.
I went to Starbucks with my MA and a Venti cup fits in the front cupholders YEAH! Just remember to turn the opening away from the center stack and center consol. I will get used to the radio controls over time. I do like (almost love) the i-Drive in my 650. The downposts on the center stack should match the color line interior. This would carry the color theme to its proper conclusion.
The seats are just plain fantastic. I cannot wait until the aftermarket world makes the adapters to fit these seats in the R53. The ride is much improved over the R53 as well. I love a car with a stiff ride and the aftermarket world will no doubt make parts that will enhance the handling of the r56.
Designwise… meh… I understand the need for the changes but the car looks a bit porky now.
I saved the best for last… this powerplant is awesome. I loved everything about it. The shfter action, the sound, the POWER (oh boy the power). Tuners are going to have a great time tuning this motor. I will likely get one in ’08 or ’09. A really nice car overall.
Garth,
FYI
I received my R56 MCS on 2/21 – it has LSD and Sport Suspension, Premium, Sport & Cold weather Packages – all WONDERFUL options that I would highly recommend -the LSD and Sport Suspensions are MUST HAVES to maximize the MINI experience.
When closed at freeway speeds – 55 – 70+ mph, my sunroof is quiet with no wind noise. I have noticed other reviews stating wind noise during the test drives. My vehicle was manufactured the first week of Jan. ’07.
Thoughts…
Exterior:
Sparkling Silver looks really good, new Mellow Yellow is different but grew on me the longer I looked at it. New blues are both nice. Cant wait to see one with lowering springs. Like the new sunroof, rear lights look cool with the little MINI badge on them. Really don’t like the blacked out hood scoop. Will be interesting to see what the after market guys can do with this and the intake. After looking at the engine for about an hour, the air intake on the car is about 2″x3″ and is next to the headlights, covered up by the hood! When someone comes up with a new intake that can use the scoop you will get some good hp gains I think.
New battery placement is interesting. (anyone notice where it was?)
Interior:
Looks much more put together than the R53s, everything is in the right spot. New seats are soooo much better. Still hoping they bring the Recaros over though. Love the telescoping steering wheel. Only minus about the interior to me is the dead peddle placement. Much closer to the seat than before, really bugged me, I would have to take it out if I bought an 07.
Drive:
Don’t know why you would ever turn the sport button off. Steering is pretty good but a bit different than before. Power band is different, there is a little turbo lag but not like the old turbo days. The car will get up and go but there is something missing without the exhaust burble and the supercharger whine.
Overall, really liked the car though I wont be trading in the 04 any time soon. I am really excited to see what the new JCW will be and what the aftermarket guys can do with this car.
Bought the first tank of gas today after a full week of commuting/motoring in our R56. We took delivery a week ago today and are averaging 33.6 MPG in our commuting loop consisting of a good mixture of highway and inter-urban 5 MPH bumper-to-bumper Atlanta traffic.
My impressions have gotten remarkably more positive. This is from a side-by-side comparison to our ’04 R53 which we are keeping.
The auto transmission whine in the lower gears is moderating, was a wear-in issue most likely. Engine is more responsive now, it may take a few hundred miles to really tell what the new powerplant is like.
The impression of larger size is, by my impression, due mostly to the higher beltline. It feels more like we are sitting in it than the R53, but like most things we are getting used to it.
Two points: death by increment is a real possibility. The gradual adoption of “improvements” can inexorably change the MINI character into just another small car. BMW/MINI needs to be acutely aware of this. Secondly, I have not found that people who buy MINI’s really wish they could have a BMW. These are two different demographics, and BMW will at their marketshare peril confuse the two. Keep a MINI a MINI.
All considered, we are really glad to be a two MINI family now.
I was out west in Victoria BC visiting family and thought I’d stop into Victoria MINI to drive the R56 (the weather was much better than icy/snowy Toronto!). They had already sold 4 out of the 5 they received, the remaining one being a Mellow Yellow MCS. I have already spent a lot of time looking at the car at the Detroit and Toronto auto shows so this was primarily a driving test. Fantastic! My grandfather came with me, and he was quiet comfortable in the back seat, remarking how great the visibility was. He also mentioned he didn’t know I drive THAT fast. Hehe. I have an 2006 Jetta 2.0T now, and I’d have to say the R56 matches the refinement of the Jetta while adding about 10x as much excitement. Brilliant! I wants one! I thought the turbo lag in my Jetta was minimal, but I definitely notice it now after the MCS, there is just none on the MINI.
The only additional comment/question I have is regarding the upper dash cubby. The one I drove, and one I saw at Downtown MINI in Toronto, had the optional aluminum interior trim. And on both the cubby wasn’t there! Yet on the Silver Checkered examples it was. I’ve looked around and haven’t found any other comments regarding this. Maybe an issue with the Al trim? Kind of disappointing since I would definitely want the Al trim, yet I would miss having that cubby.
Last Friday in Schaumburg, I was recalling what motoringfile readers have said about cheap plastic interior items in the new Minis. However, a test drive made all that irrelevant: the plastice is just plastic, but what a great ride the MCS is, at any speed!
The accelerator lag that others have mentioned was there, but the 1/2 second delay led to a nice reward. Handling was as expected, quick and responsive. The sport button might help distracted or inattentive drivers to stay out of adjacent lanes; I don’t see much use for it otherwise.
Except for the steep cost of customizing, I couldn’t find any excuse not to buy, so my order is in : )
Thanks to all the motoringfile contributors who provided information and insights that helped me make my choice.
i dont know if anyone has brought this up but, i had a question with the auto transmission. good buy? i know if you go mini, you MUST get the six speed manual, but living in los angeles, ca.(traffic capital of the world), getting an auto might not be such a bad thing… i really like the idea of having paddle shifters behind the steering wheel though…planning to get a mini s soon so any comments would be greatly appreciated!
I’ve had my ’07 Cooper for about a momth and I love the precise steering and the feeling of quality.One of the problems is that the fuel gauge showed half full when there was actually only 1.4 gallons left in the tank. The service tech does not even acknowledge that this is a problem. Furthermore, the engine produces a loud clicking noise for the first 3 minutes when cold. Again, the helpful service tech said it was the fuel control and “they all do it”. It sounds like an old Mercedes 240 diesel. My wife’s comment was: Face it, it’s not a Honda. OUCH!
> Furthermore, the engine produces a loud clicking noise for the first 3 minutes when cold. Again, the helpful service tech said it was the fuel control and “they all do itâ€ÂÂ. It sounds like an old Mercedes 240 diesel. My wife’s comment was: Face it, it’s not a Honda. OUCH!
Ticking at idle is normal characteristic of petrol direct injection engines.
We have nearly 800 miles on our ’07 S. The big surprise: My wife (who has the Audi Allroad) now wants to drive it all the time!
A couple of questions:
The speedometer is about 10% fast, saying we’re going 30 when it’s really 27 (as measured by radar), etc. The MA says that the car’s within spec with as much as +/- five mph differential. Huh??
The fuel tank is supposed to hold 13.2 US gallons. On our only 2 fill ups, we put in 12.8, then 13.4, topping off each time. Each time the electronic display indicated we had 35-50 miles left. Wazzup? How many gallons can you get in this puppy?
A couple of ramblings:
By now, I’m sure most of your readers have discovered that only the pre-production models had the gap-toothed bonnets. The fit and finish on our Chili/Black S is excellent. ….OK, we have to really whack the boot closed to avoid the dreaded “Bonnet Open” chime, but the dealer says he’ll adjust that.
I still can’t believe you get that much torque out of an engine that’d look at home on my lawn mower.
Yes, it feels like it’s easy to hit reverse when going thru the forward gears and tight corners. I’d really like a better lockout design, maybe a downward motion instead of two similar LH pressures for 1st and reverse.
Up here in Washington, where the roads are noisy anyway, no reason to recommend an upgraded sound system b/c you’re fighting road noise in a car without any notable insulation.
Overall? Love it!
The manual for my non-turbo ’07 Mini states that the fuel tank holds 10.6 gallons including 2.1 gallons reserve. Since I was having a fuel gage problem, the service department decided to drain and refill the tank. It took 13.6 gallons. As a result, I have no idea what the fuel gage is measuring and I am disappointed at this inaccuracy that even the service departmint was unaware of.
Have to say I’m quite disappointed with the new R56. As the owner of an’02 MCS, I was looking forward to the new car – but something just “ain’t” right.
Several changes are not only the result of new EU legislature but obvious cost cutting. One or two things I can accept, but taken as a whole, I have to say the car has lost a lot of character.
The car just doesn’t sit right anymore on its wheels, proportions are off, there is no more passion in the details. The Minilite-style rims on the MCS look like cheap, flat plastic wheel covers – c’mon guys!
The interior is more give and take – definately more solid, a few clever new features but also a little cheesy. Ok, the original had issues too. Miss the center-stack. Materials are classier, though.
Driving the car is also a toss-up. More refined, smoother, yes – but I miss the eager, frisky nature of the R53. The supercharger whine was part of the original car’s appeal – gone!
It really pains me to see a car as cool as the Mini developing this way. Everyone grows up sometime but this car is sadly on its way to becoming just another fish in a sea of econo-cars.
Irecently bought an AstroBlack/redwood Cooper S 07 car and am loving lots about it. aAI had an 04 S and loved it too. ZThe new car seems to be more Americanized than the old one, for one thing when do you know if the car is going into a melt down (NO TEMP GUAGE) and whats the deal with the turn signals duck noises. The car hops around turns and torque steer is much more pronounced than in the old car, maybe it needs some more breaking in. Would the strut bar help? The A/C controls look a little toyish but they work just fine. Are there any upgrades for performance yet and if so who sells them. Thanks for listening
Get my (1st ever Mini) S 07 tonight. Been reading all day, so excitement is certainly building.
More tomorrow, if I get back to work!
First Mini… took delivery on 7/7/07 : )
Most stylish and fun car I have ever owned. We got it fully loaded so the cost was 35k before taxes but it was worth every penny. My husband has longed for his old Mustang for years but the MCS has taken his mind off of it. The car is like a little rocket, fast, fun and wonderful in the city.
Curious if anyone else is having an issue with 2007 mini cooper fuel guage. We have had our new car into shop twice and think we may be headed back. The fuel guage is not working. My daughter actually ran out of gas! Tank read as 1/2 full. Sent it back, they replaced it, and it happened again. Luckily she was keeping track of gas herself.
Anyone with simliar problems?
Had 05 S and loved it, now have a 07 S with a few more options. 05 was a auto, 07 is a six speed and it is more fun. I have parked my truck not over the gas but for fun. When I retire in 5 more years I will have a convertable to tool around at the beach in Florida. My wife drives a 07 335i hard tp conv. but the mini is more fun to drive down the coast between Dayton Beach and St Augustine Beach.
JUST PLAN FUN TO DRIVE.