Well, it’s that time of year again. That time when J.D. Power gives MINI a terrible “dependability” rating. This year MINI didn’t simply score low in the study, but came in at the bottom of the list. For those who aren’t familiar with this study, it measures “problems per 100 vehicles” over a three year period. So it’s not a measure of initial quality, or an accounting of significant mechanical failures. Instead, it’s a measure of “problems” with no distinction between an engine bursting into flames and a cup holder being too small for the owner’s big gulp. That’s not exactly stellar methodology if you ask me, so take these results (the good and the bad) with a small pile of salt.
That said, the numbers are still pretty good. Statistically, one MINI had 2.2 “problems” of unknown severity in three years, all of which were probably covered under warranty. Big deal? The best performer on the list, Lincoln, had 1.1 “problems” per car over three years. Does that actually make Lincoln more dependable? There’s no way to know from the rankings and that’s my qualm with JDP.
We’re certainly MINI fans, but we’re not MINI apologists. All machines are susceptible to mechanical problems, and MINI has had issues that they’ve had to address. The 2011 engine refresh wasn’t just about efficiency and power. It also addressed the infamous “cold start issue” and other nags in the powerplant. The interior has evolved to address the difficulty of the stereo controls. No doubt those were among the “problems” reported in the study. But where MINI has set themselves apart plenty of times is in their willingness to actually address issues mid-generation. The 2006 R50 was a significantly improved car over the 2002. Same with the R53. Additionally, in the past year Toyota, Honda and other automakers near the top of this “dependability” study have had to order massive, embarrassing recalls. Did MINI?
<p>well said Nathaniel</p>
<p>One just needs to look at spot #3 to see this is hardly an honest “dependability” review.</p>
<p>I’m still holding out hope for a recall on the R53’s power steering pump…just not holding my breath.</p>
<p>Look at it this way, it may not be as dependable as we all would like but when you go to the dealer to get it fixed you will have a #1 experience!</p>
<p><a href="https://www.motoringfile.com/2011/03/14/mini-1-in-j-d-power-rankings-of-dealer-service-experience/" rel="ugc">https://www.motoringfile.com/2011/03/14/mini-1-in-j-d-power-rankings-of-dealer-service-experience/</a></p>
<p>Oh, another thing. A volume knob is not a dependability issue, it is a design / didn’t read the owner manual issue :)</p>
<p>Your contributions to motoringfile are appreciated, Nathaniel. Always a good read.</p>
<p>So true! In seven years of ownership and 163,000 miles, my R50 has had exactly 5.5 problems! Whatever…J.D. Power has always been in Toyota’s pocket.</p>
<p>Two of my friends bought MINIs in the last few months after seeing how dependable my car is.</p>
<p>If JD Powers had a “fun to drive” category in their rating, wonder where the Mini would size up?</p>
<p>Tap dance around this all you want, but it points to a dearth of dedication to design, detail, and manufacturing. MINI no matter how you slice it should not be last- that’s for Yugos or something. Jeesh.</p>
<p>Ever since I left the place has gone to pot :-)</p>
<p>hey, at least when you do have problems…</p>
<p><a href="https://www.motoringfile.com/2011/03/14/mini-1-in-j-d-power-rankings-of-dealer-service-experience/" rel="ugc">https://www.motoringfile.com/2011/03/14/mini-1-in-j-d-power-rankings-of-dealer-service-experience/</a></p>
<p>It’s kind of ironic, but mine (2008 Clubman S)still hasn’t had a single problem. I wish I could have responded to the survey.</p>
<p>This survey seems to be spot on to me. I knew getting a MINI it was going to be a hobby to maintain- And it has been during the first 18 months, all ‘severe’: timing chain, 2 scoops, water pump, windshield, etc. all under warranty. I don’t think thats much higher than I expected. But much higher than my last new car.</p>
<p>That said, some people surveyed are surely confusing free factory maintenance events like brake replacements.</p>
<p>I’m no MINI apologist. I can only relate my own experience as someone who puts a ton of miles on his car.</p>
<p>2007 Civic: Within 3 years of ownership (but high miles–over 30,000 per year) the engine block failed, the suspension failed, the car ate 3 sets of tires due to faulty suspension design (which Honda refused to fix for free due to the high mileage on my car, even though there was a service bulletin issued for that very issue. Yeah, I know, service bulletins do not guarantee free service). When random lights began to fail, I dumped the car.</p>
<p>2010 R56 Cooper: 20K miles so far. Vent rattle. Fixed. No questions asked. No hassle. So the Honda has 3 or 4 issues v. 1 for the MINI (so far). A dash rattle hardly compares with the problems I had with the Honda. As mentioned, this survey doesn’t take that into account. And, as also already mentioned, it doesn’t take into account the absolutely horrid response from Honda when I inquired about the suspension issues. My Honda dealer was fine, but they couldn’t perform the service for free unless authorized by Honda. Honda wouldn’t do it. I spent thousands of dollars on this one issue.</p>
<p>Of course, I also own a Cooper, not a Cooper S. But I am certain that many problems experienced with the S stem from owners’ over-reliance on the “scheduled maintenance” provided by MINI. I’m guessing a number of major problems would be avoided if owners just checked their oil levels every 1,000 miles, and topped off as needed. Also, MINI should just allow owners to have their oil changed every 5,000 miles under the program, especially for owners with the turbocharged engines.</p>
<p>The cold-start rattle–well…MINI knows that was a big cluster $%@!. Glad that it is resolved. Glad that I didn’t have to deal with it. Is there an issue with the fuel pump? I know that BMW had/has an issue. Not sure if the same issue exists on the MINI.</p>
<p>It is a pretty lame method of “measuring dependablity”.</p>
<p>Consumer Reports has always been the best at testing and ranking the “reliabilty” and “performance”, etc. of just about everything, including cars. Their “auto reporting” used to be really dry, but now they even include some fairly accurate commentary on each cars design and its “driving experience”. I always read the “Annual Auto Issue” in April cover to cover. And most of the “problem areas” they pointed out, I’ve actually had in other cars.</p>
<p>Their latest 2011 Report now “recommends†buying the MINI Cooper, but it still says the Cooper S is “too unreliableâ€. I was confused, however, when they also rated my 2008 MINI Cooper Clubman as one of the “worst used cars to avoid”, since I’ve had no major or minor problems with my ’08 Clubman.</p>
<p>Does TPMS and a low tire warning count as a “dependability” issue? If so I would venture to say this may be an issue as well… the system is way too testy…</p>
<p>2007/8/9/10 new engines/drivetrain, new updated suspensions, interior and exterior, electronics, and new vendors for about 90% of the parts made for the car.</p>
<p>In essence, it was a new car model so ratings like this is not abnormal in those circumstances. But, these issues were magnified by the fact that unlike the Germans, the Brits are too damn feakin slow to react to consumer complaints and chronic issues…..</p>
<p>Well, my ’02 Cooper S had many electronic problems which ultimately required replacement of the wiring harness while not under warranty. $5k ultimately was spent over 9 months trying to fix the problems.</p>
<p>The absolute nadir was when it wouldn’t start when my wife was in labor. “Uh honey, can you call your friend to see if we can borrow their car? Why, oh the mini won’t start…. Oh sorry, contraction…I get it. I’ll take the phone.”</p>
<p>Loved the car on so many levels, but not for build quality and reliability. Least reliable car I have ever owned by a long shot.</p>
<p>Hmm… The article states that we aren’t MINI apologists, then does exactly that… If MINI was at the top of the list, I’m willing to wager that there would be very few complaints about the JD Powers methodology or criteria from the MINI crowd…</p>
<p>Let’s face it. As far as reliability goes, MINI–and BMW–aren’t as good as the competition. A part of it is that these cars are complex, and in some areas BMW is pushing the envelope in innovation; the price to be paid for this approach is a less reliability compared to other brands that keep engines and designs (or variants of engines and designs) for relatively longer periods of time, allowing for the development of a relatively reliable product. In other words, BMW/MINI has taken approach of pushing performance at the expense of reliability. I’m ok with that; I bought my 2006 knowing full well that reliability wasn’t going to be my car’s strong suit. At times BMW goes too far, with too little long term testing (idrive anyone?), and the end result isn’t as good as it could have been.</p>
<p>As for individual testimonials about how their car is problem free on a pro MINI website, no offense, but that’s a sampling error of the highest degree…</p>
<p>Everycar is going to have an issue in some form during some stage of its life…some small some rather large…Whether you have one issue or 2 issues is kinda a mute point. This is an absolutely useless survey and a waste of time because it gives us no real information. I wish I had a business that invented lists and sold them to companies like JD Power. I would start off with “Which brand is most likely to kill you?” then follow up with “Which brand captures the most crumbs in the nooks of the rear passenger compartment?” I am sure the reading public would benefit greatly from such lists…</p>
<p>I’ve been driving for 45 years and have owned many cars. My 2004 Mini, purchase new, has 107,000 miles and has been by far the most reliable and trouble-free car I have ever owned.</p>
<p>AS I said on the previous survey post, most of these are pedantic moans. Perfection is a misnomer.
Like all these reports, subjectivity goes out the window.
The other brands have multiple models – MINI has one in 4 body shapes.</p>
<p>“in the past year Toyota, Honda and other automakers near the top of this “dependability†study have had to order massive, embarrassing recalls. Did MINI?”</p>
<p>True but Mini should have – power steering failure issue. One look at the NHTSA and it’s the number one problem for Mini (2002-2005). Owners have had some very serious occurrences when their Power steering failed without warning. The NHTSA even has the issue listed as an open case. Yet Mini has not issued a recall to fix the problem. The other item is the CVT. Nissan has extended the warranty to 10 yrs or 100,000 miles yet Mini has not. If the CVT goes, the cost to replace is too prohibitive – you might as well junk the car.</p>
<p>2006, 85k miles, been redlining since the first time it hit the highway on the way home from the dealership. No issues. Had one bad sensor around 55k that was replaced under warranty, which i’m pretty sure I f’d up doing a belt change. You gotta take care of your car, and it will take care of you. If you’re waiting for the maintenance light you’re too late and stick with the top tier gas vendors, and run a cleaner every now and then.</p>
<p>Don’t forget the rust issues on first gen cars.</p>
<p>Here’s a quote from the VP of Global Research at JDPowers:</p>
<p>“The Mini brand was last, falling from 32nd out of 36 in 2010, because of a number of problems with the Cooper. The biggest problem areas were interior controls and seats which owners find “difficult to operate,” rather than mechanical quality.”</p>
<p>Case Closed… this study is LESS than useless. Interior controls and seats that are “difficult to operate” have absolutely ZERO to do with “Dependability”.</p>
<p>I’m not saying MINIs would otherwise be at the top of the list, but there it is, straight from the horse’s mouth… the biggest problems were Ergonomics, NOT mechanical – basically an admission that the study is inherently flawed. Honestly, if I were MINI, I would be consulting lawyers about this. Problems with Ergonomics shouldn’t put the brand at the bottom of a high-profile DEPENDABILITY list. I can’t believe that the people at JDPowers aren’t embarrassed to be associated with such a poorly-designed study. If I went up to someone and said, “Hey, has your car been dependable?” and they said, “No, it’s hard to figure out how to use the radio sometimes,” I would either ask them what the heck that has to do with dependability or I would just shake my head, walk away, and write them off as a moron.</p>
<p>Nicely reported Nathaniel. But, according to this report, boy am I ever in trouble. My wife drives a 2008 Jeep Liberty. By the way, absolutely no problems in three years, and now I have a 2011 JCW. And I must admit, no cold start issue, no rattles anywhere, and there’s nothing that I would change from my order in September on this car.</p>
<p>Like it was said here, all these cars are mechanical, none will be perfect in everyones eyes. But something else that isn’t taken into count here, Mini owners accross the board are “Car Enthusiasts” period. So, naturally they are going to be more critical about their cars than the average Smart driver. By the way, look at where Smart came in, on this survey? In the middle. And, that car has had nothing but problems with their transmissions, let alone rattles and shakes.</p>
<p>All said, the Mini is still great car. Does Mini have problems, heck yes, but name a car that doesn’t? Even the Lexux the Cadillac of Toyota.</p>
<p>I would say this study is correct. My 2007 R56 had the following large issues:</p>
<p>-water leaked into the cabin so the door seals were replaced
-water pump leaked/was replaced
-rear brake pad cracked and was grinding against the disc
-Hood scoop warped
-still has the knock of death in the morning at times because my dealer could not reproduce it</p>
<p>with that said I still love the car.</p>
<p>Couple of comments…</p>
<p>When the Service Satisfaction survey came out, there was no shortage of people waving the MINI flag. Now the Dependability study came out, and MINI tanks and everyone is shooting the messenger. MINIs AREN’T the most dependable car out there. Even if they fell 4 spots because of ease of use issues, they were 4 from the bottom the year before.</p>
<p>Because of the column I write, I hear from many owners, and I also talk to many shops. Let’s face it, the MINI has had a rather long list of major systems that have been less than stellar. (Power steering pump, HP fuel pump, 5 speed Midlands, CVT) as well as less important systems (window motor assy, coolant overflow tanks, MAF sensor on US versions). Just cause the car is a hoot to drive is no reason to pretend that these issues don’t exist. They do.</p>
<p>BMW/MINI shoots itself in the foot a lot. In England, there were a lot of “goodwill” PS pump replacements. In the US? Hmmmm, not. BMW does a TSB for the HP fuel pump in BMWs, but not MINIS? WFT? They never even solved the cold start problem, just changed the valvetrain!</p>
<p>A lot of people dump on this study, with some justification, because the aggregate results mix design and use issues with failures. Be that as it may, the exact same ruler is used to measure all the manufacturers. It doesn’t matter if you like the ruler or not, MINI isn’t keeping up with the competition when it comes to lots of this stuff. And not all of that can be attributed to things like keeping toggle switches as a tie into past history of the car.</p>
<p>For the dig about Jags being #3 in the list meaning that the list sucks, I’ve gotta say that today’s Jag isn’t the same one that earned Lucas the “Prince of Darkness” tag. The XFR is one of the finest road cars for sale from any manufacturer in the world. Someone involved pretty high up in the MB Magazine “the Star” pointed out that the interior of the latest Jags is on par or better than the best that MB, BMW, Audi or any high end brand has to offer (my only qualm with this is I don’t like the touch screen interface)… Point being that one can’t look at one brand that had problems years, no decades ago, and trash the whole study. that would be like dismissing the Hyundai Genesis Coupe because of the Excel of the 80s….</p>
<p>Lastly, one thing the study does indicate is that the whole industry is continually improving. They all, pretty much improve.</p>
<p>I actually own two MINIs, and have driven pretty much every model made, along with tons of other cars from other manufacturers. The MINI still is the most fun per dollar that is out there (except for the Countryman, it gives up a bunch of that fun for more utility), but to expect it to be the dependability experience of some other brands and cars is just smoking crack.</p>
<p>Here’s my normal rant on statistics. Just cause someone owned one car that was great or horrible doesn’t really shed light on the quality of the brand overall. For that you need aggregate statistics, that sample many owner experiencec. We all tend to forget this, as can be seen by the many posts that go “My (fill in the blank) MINI has been trouble free, the study must be wrong.”</p>
<p>Now, BMW was happy to brag about the Customer Survey 1st place ranking. Wonder if they are going to release something that says “MINI placed last in this one, we’re committed to improving our position!” Somehow, I doubt it….</p>
<p>Matt</p>
<p>For those that want it, here’s a link to the press release….</p>
<p><a href="http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2011029" rel="nofollow ugc">http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2011029</a></p>
<p>Remember, these are long term results (2008 cars owned 3 years), but the results echo the 2008 initial car survey where MINI was one from the bottom:</p>
<p><a href="http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2008063" rel="nofollow ugc">http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2008063</a></p>
<p>At least the 2008 MINI is consitent! ;)</p>
<p>Matt</p>
<p>My experience with two 2006 MCS’ (on a JCW) is that they are at the dealer for little and large repairs much too much. I would estimate that over the last five years at least 30 times each.</p>
<p>The “Enthusiasts are more particular” excuse doesn’t fly. Porsche has been at or near the top for a very long time.</p>
<p>BMW has been lower than MB and Audi for a while as well. MINI, being the step-child of BMW, seems to be lower pretty much all the time.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
<p>I knew they’d get there eventually. It was a long hard slog, but it has to feel good to finally reach the bottom. Well done MINI!</p>
<p>But, seriously, Lincoln at the top? Does that have to do with the fact that Lincoln drivers are so old they are completely oblivious to most problems short of collisions with immovable objects?</p>
<p>I am on my second transmission, second engine, second belt a tensioner pulley, second Power steering pump, fourth power sterring cooling fan, fifth set of tires, I could go on, but it gets my blood pressure up to high. This is the most unreliable vehicle I have ever known or even heard of. However I have had the some of the best times of my life in that car and will never give it up, but its name is a constant reminder of my problems with this car, it is The Problem Child.</p>
<p>So yeah I can see this survey being pretty damn close to reality.</p>
<p>I have had 2 minis in the past 8 years and had soooo many problems. I wanted to love them, I tried a second time and it still let me down (r53 and r55) I am sorry to say but JD Power associates is not making this is up. That doesn’t mean that people don’t love their mini but you can pretend all you want, it’s a costly ride and ownership. I traded my mini last month (for a brand in the top 5, not that I knew that… I just knew it would be better than my minis). No regrets.</p>
<p>If one looks at the results over time, it shows that Ford and GM have really taken quality to heart and worked on it for quite a while. It takes quite a while to shed the rep that they earned (often justifiably so) in the 70s and 80s, but they really have focused on making much better cars. The build quality in even the low end domestics that I sampled recently were worlds improved over past cars.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
<p>To amplify a point made by the Good Dr above, Porsche people are among the most anal retentive car owners out there. Can you say “orthodontists”? Ranking as high as they do on these surverys with that kind of owner population is really impressive. And that on top of being some of the finest driver’s cars out there.</p>
<p>Porsche is the shizznipple.</p>
<p>When my MINI was bran spanking new, it had a few excentricities that it seemed to grow out of without need of service department intervention. If someone asked me if there were any “problems” with the car, I’d probably say “yes” (side mirrors that did not work electronically initially–and which just happened to work one day for no reason; and an occasional loud <em>pop</em> over the sound system when the key is put in the ignition suggest something is not quite right somewhere) Have to admit that I don’t care; love the car anyway</p>
<p>I’m with Nathaniel on this one — the only thing we can conclude from this survey is that, on average, Mini owners perceive that their cars have more “problems” than owners of other cars. Without separating the problems into design choices versus defects, there really isn’t anything else that can be learned. I hope that MINI has access to the raw data and can address the issues accordingly.</p>
<p>If I were asked about the problems with my 2005 R53, I would probably name about 8, of which only three were defects (power steering pump and RKE receiver replaced under warranty, suspension bushing replaced after warranty expired, total bill $300) and five were poor design. If I were asked about problems with the Honda Pilot I’ve owned for roughly the same period, I would probably name 4 problems, of which three were defects (total bill ~$1200) and one was poor design. Normalized to a three-year period, my experience lines up pretty well with the survey results. But I don’t think of my MINI as being any less “dependable” than my Honda.</p>
<p>thats not good, it stinks, it stinks real bad…</p>
<blockquote>I’m with Nathaniel on this one — the only thing we can conclude from this survey is that, on average, Mini owners perceive that their cars have more “problems” than owners of other cars.</blockquote>
<p>A couple people have said this, and while it’s been stated on MF before, it’s <strong><em>not</em></strong> what I said in this posting because it’s a bit of a tired excuse at this point.</p>
<p>I don’t actually buy the “MINI owners are just picky” argument. What I <em>did</em> say is that MINIs <em>do</em> have problems from time to time and that J.D. Power’s measure of those problems is completely useless, along with the list. Agree with that, or don’t, at your leisure.</p>
<p>If MINI fixed the timing chain issue those numbers would go down also.</p>
<p>About Porches – I went looking for used Caymans and was surprised how few miles most were driven.</p>
<p>Jaguar – Ford dumped billions into Jaguar to update their factories and designs, so it isn’t surprising that they are far better now.</p>
<p>Consumer Reports – Their reliability ratings are based on the responses by their readers. But their readers perceptions are biased to a certain degree by the magazine. So you end up with a bit of self fufilling prophesy.</p>
<p>If you read the latest car issue of Consumer Reports, the Mini was the only car that was noted as “fun to drive”.</p>
<p>I can only speak for myself, but my MCS which I purchased new in Jan 2008 (ordered from factory)has been GREAT!…only ONE problem after over 3 years and 32,000 miles. At about 20,000 miles my AC stopped working. Of course the warrantly covered that repair! That’s it!! I plan to buy another MINI…the upcoming 2 seater Coupe due out in late summer!!</p>
<p>Still funny that every time something comes out positive for the MINI brand people are all over supporting the win, and everything something negative comes out people love to bash it. While I have little to no interest in JD Powers results I am sure that they quantified the result in their mind. While I adore the MINI brand there are a number of issues that have been identified over the years (most of which MINI has dealt with and ignored others)and no matter what the results are maybe we should just accept it and move on.</p>
<p>My only hope is that BMW/MINI takes note what they are complaining about and see if there is anything here that does need to be handled.</p>
<blockquote>Still funny that every time something comes out positive for the MINI brand people are all over supporting the win, and everything something negative comes out people love to bash it.</blockquote>
<p>As someone who reads virtually every comment that gets posted to MF, I can testify that this is completely untrue.</p>
<p>There are always contrarian complaints, and there are always MINI defenders — usually in equal numbers — regardless of the post.</p>
<p>I agree with “slap” about Consumer Reports basing their “reliability reports” on responses from their “average” readers, and some questions do seem to be “self-fulfilling”.</p>
<p>They do have one of the biggest auto testing facilities; however, where trained drivers road test almost all the new car models, and those reports are usually very comprehensive and informative.</p>
<p>They have always rated the Mazda Miata as the best for small car for “fun, reliability, economy & safety”. The only reason I never bought one is they never had enough leg room for me and I’m only 5″-10″.</p>
<p>I’m on my second MINI, ’07 R56S due to the fact I had multiple issues with my ’04 R50. I told myself THIS would be the MINI I would grow old with and cherish. Sadly though, it would seem with the “cold start death rattle”(fixed once, but still ocurring) there is NO trusting the longevity of the turbo engine the R56S Mark I.</p>
<p>My lease is up in 6 months and I was hoping to buy the car out of the lease, but now, once again, I struggle with the decision of either leasing again(and wasting money, again) or buy my current R56S with the death rattle and no sense of security that this engine isn’t going to implode someday.</p>
<p>I love MINIs almost more than anything in my life. There is no other car, save the Fiat 500, that has more character. There is no other car that drives like a MINI and there is not a better car culture to be a part of than with MINIs. MOTD proves this to me every year. I wish BMW would just come down of there high horse and realize all of the sales they potentially will be losing due to all this publicity. That people with a genuine love for MINIs are forced to walk away from the brand due to poor realtions with BMW/MINI corporate in dealing with major issues with their cars.</p>
<p>Most likely, I’ll be re-leasing a R56S Mark 2 in the hopes ALL the kinks are worked out with this generation and I’ll be able to keep the car. I hope BMW/MINI corporate people read these comments are really take them seriously. Thanks for reading.</p>
<p>I am with JonPD on this one… The “tone” of the MF has changed recently towards defending MNI whenever a slight negative publicity is detected.</p>
<p>Yes, we can argue how the list was compiled, what questions were asked and whether they were actually related to “dependability” in the long run, but this will never change the fact that MINI will never make to the top 10 list of ANY dependability tests. My April 2003 built R53 has been nothing but troubles, and I still love it as the day I bought it… However, I dont put on MINI blinders and pretend that it’s a reliable car. A blast to drive? For sure! Dependable? Not by a long shot!</p>
<p>…forgot to mention that I’m in the same boat with people who are waiting for the power steering pump recall which will never happen (on my 3rd pump at 116Kmiles).</p>
<p>You can attack JD Powers methodology, but it’s applied to every make equally. Does that mean that the real lesson here is that Mini owners are abnormally anal and too stupid to figure out a volume knob.? The modern automobile, as a rule, is a tremendously reliable and capable machine, but that doesn’t change the fact that in Mini, BMW is doing a markedly poor job in building a reliable product.</p>
<p>And yes, I love driving my car. I’ve had my Cooper S for 7 years and I enjoy driving it as much today as I did the day I drove it off the lot. But I was getting fault lights within hours of taking ownership and once the warranty was up it has gifted me with many large repair bills. I’m on my second radiator, third thermostat, second brake booster, second power steering pump, second crank pulley, second passenger side CV boot, second set of power window assemblies, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. I’m currently debating spending a large chunk of money on some needed suspension work or applying it to the down payment on something new. Which won’t be another Mini.</p>
<p>And finally, you can’t spend two paragraphs being Mini apologists and then claim you’re not in the third. And then go back to being Mini apologists in the following sentences. I know the lion’s share of this site’s content (and subsequent advertising revenue) is dependent on its special relationship w/ MINI USA, but let’s call an editorial spade a spade. This site used to be more enthusiast and now is too marketing shill.</p>
<p>As I write this, my 2007 MCS is in the shop for what I believe will turn out to be a clutch release bearing problem — at 30,000 miles. Two weeks ago, the car broke down and had to be towed when the high-speed fuel pump died. The list of problems is long, and go far beyond the cupholder. I love the performance of the MINI, and am an enthusiast all the way, but as far as reliability goes I think JDP is spot on. Once the engine/drivetrain warranty on my MINI is about to expire, alas, I will likely need to seek out a drive that is not so high maintenance.</p>
<p>And if there is one lesson to be learned here… it is that anyone who is thinking “seriously” of dropping $40k on an FWD JCW Coupé, they should slap themselves upside the head a few times and then start shopping for a used Cayman.</p>
<p>MINI needs to wake up and have a serious look around at what’s happening in the US! Sure, maybe the Fiesta isn’t as fast, or the 500 doesn’t handle as quickly, but the fact remains, every day there are more and more manufacturers bringing over new hatches that eat away just a little more of MINI’s market share. Look at the new Lexus hatch, the Mazda 2, heck, even Alfa’s been talking about bringing over the MiTo and the completely awesome Giulietta!</p>
<p>Reliability surveys like this, flawed or not, add fuel to the fire and pull potential consumers away from the brand. Given the seriousness of the problems I’ve personally had, I wouldn’t blame anyone who looks around before buying a MINI (and this from a guy who can find the volume knob).</p>
<p>@ James – Very well said! MF has become a subsidiary of MINI marketing division in recent years.</p>
<blockquote>And finally, you can’t spend two paragraphs being Mini apologists and then claim you’re not in the third. And then go back to being Mini apologists in the following sentences. I know the lion’s share of this site’s content (and subsequent advertising revenue) is dependent on its special relationship w/ MINI USA, but let’s call an editorial spade a spade. This site used to be more enthusiast and now is too marketing shill.</blockquote>
<p>I am on my second cooper. I am very easy on the company because I love the car. Sorry MINI but I think the survey is valid – given the type of survey it is. I agree with the thought it is a NOT good measure of what is wrong.
I have had issues with with both MINIs. Some of the issues: Seat Belt, Power Stearing, Transmition (Midlands 5 speed), Water in the cabin, and passanger side airbag sensor. Many of these should not go bad. They all have near the 50k mark.</p>
<p>I do not count funney thumps or rattles as the that is normal in a tight car. I still love the car but am not looking forward to fixing the airbag sensor in a seat that has been empty for most of the 70 K miles. It would be more pleasent to buckle up in the winter if the seat belt was dry after a rain.</p>
<p>2009 Cooper, 2 issues. 17k miles.
1. Oxygen sensor went out at 6k miles.
2. At around 10k miles my driver’s side window would roll down when trying to roll it up.
Both were fixed same-day. Very pleased with the quality of my car and the service in general.</p>
<p>I migrated from a Jeep Grand Cherokee that was nothing but problems. I don’t regret it one bit.</p>
<p>I’ve owned 2 Coopers, a 2006, and now a 2010. My R50 had 90k km’s on it when it was replaced, and my 2010 R56 has 32k km’s as I write this. The R50 was problematic from about the third week of ownership when the car went into “limp home” mode, and unfortunately over the three years of ownership, a sizeable repair and service history developed. I have to say I was incredibly well taken care of by the service department. They resolved each and every circumstance to the best of their abilities, and at their cost. I loved driving the car. Happily, as a total contrast to my initial experience with the brand, I haven’t had a single issue arise with my R56. Not one. I wouldn’t drive anything else.</p>
<p>2005 R50 84,800 miles had only scheduled visits to the dealer while under warranty/maintenance, and only scheduled services since.</p>
<p>If something goes badly wrong tomorrow I would still have to say it is a very reliable car.</p>
<p>Two R56 Mini and over 30 trips to the dealer and 4 engines later (not an exaggeration), I whole heartedly agree with these findings.</p>
<p>Get it together, MINI. That’s downright embarrassing.</p>
<p>I bought 2 cars around the same time for my wife and I. A comparison of repairs:</p>
<p>2008 VW R32 23k miles: 1. Door rattle, 2. exhaust heat shield rattle, 3. Fuel pressure sender recall, 4. DSG mechatronics recall. I had no problems with the recall items, VW is awesome about recalling problematic items.</p>
<p>2008 Mini Cooper S 6MT 28k miles: 1. Failed thermostat, 2. timing chain tensioner (had to call MINI USA to get fixed), 3. 6 or 7 sunroof repair attempts, 4. tachometer replaced, 5. cd changer compartment door replaced, 6. clutch pedal replaced (new clutch pedal feels better than it ever did and it shifts smoothly now, I wonder if I have syncro damage or excess clutch wear), 7. fuel level sensor failed and I still have some transmission noise which is unresolved as well as a hesitation on acceleration even after MINI USA paying for a full fuel system and carbon buildup cleaning.</p>
<p>The MINI has been in the shop more than any other car I’ve owned by far and so far has been the least reliable of anything except for my first car, a 1968 BMW 1602 that I got as my first car 10 years ago! I am glad, however, that MINI USA went out of their way to make me happy, but I still have a few unresolved issues that I fear they can’t help with until something fails.</p>
<p>The reason I no longer have my MINI Cooper S is because, in the 22 months I owned it, it was in for repairs 18 times. When the warranty was running out, I knew I had to get rid of it or it would bankrupt me.</p>
<p>Abysmal reliability, truly abysmal. But I miss that car every single day.</p>
<p>De-lurking for a moment to say this is a real buzz kill for me. I was looking forward to buying the Countryman as soon as the rear bench was available. No longer.</p>
<p>The first thing I demand in a car is reliability. In 2011 there’s simply no excuse for any carmaker, let alone a division of BMW, to offer a $30,000+ vehicle which loses in a reliability poll to Jeep.</p>
<p>Darn shame.</p>
<p>Yes, the survey methodology is poor, and yes, Minis have their joys, but to deny there is a problem here is to deny reality.</p>
<p>In addition to the many chronic component issues, the high cost of wear items and minor repairs are also likely to irritate Joe Public. Hole a fog lamp on a Mustang, and replacement is a ten-minute DIY job; on a Gen-1 Mini, its a $1000 repair that involves draining the radiator. Pricey run-flats that are toast at 20K miles, absurdly expensive accessories, premium fuel … it’s all part of the experience and trade-off.</p>
<p>Sure, the Mini is far, far more reliable than a ’60s Alfa or MG. But all cars have gotten more reliable, and data suggests Mini is more British Leyland-like than anything currently on the market. Those who laugh at the position of Lincoln or Jaguar or the Koreans are stuck in the past … GM and Ford and Hyundai may build boring cars, but they’ve spent a lot of time in the last decade sweating the details to catch up with the Japanese. BMW, VW, and Chrysler consistently lag behind.</p>
<p>Could it be that MINI owners are bigger whiners?</p>
<p>Of course I’m joking…….</p>
<p>I believe the majority of owner problems are probably due to the fact that these cars are finicky when it comes to fuel & oil quality, clutch use, etc. I have to pay particular attention to always buying “Top Tier” gasoline such as Shell and also adding a bottle of fuel injector cleaner like BG44K every so often. The clutch in my ’12 Countryman S has to be used gently. No excessive slipping, or it gets hot quickly and starts to chatter and grab. I’ve had no issues in 23,000 miles with my car.</p>
<p>MINI is also last in the new Consumers Reports owners survey. Dead last.
Well, mine has been fine except for the thermostat housing $400 fiasco. It’s the N 12 engine, now almost 6 years old and doing fine!</p>