MF Review: Driving the JCW GP in the Wild
This week I had the opportunity to not just drive the 2013 MINI John Cooper Works GP, but drive it on real, imperfect roads. Specifically, I was able to put the car through its paces on the narrow, rough mountain roads outside Ponce, in Puerto Rico. Gabe drove this limited edition car for the first time in Spain a few months back as part of the international product launch, but that was on the track. Impressive as the car was in that context, we both wondered what the car would be like in the wild.
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<p>Excellent read, thank you Nathaniel!</p>
<p>Will there be any more on the F56 today? or just the GP2 as you look to have got a new story as to just looking to fill space with news we all knew about the F56.</p>
<p>Very well written article, enjoyable read… the enthusiasm is palpable.</p>
<p>Nathaniel, thank you for giving your readers an article that is the next best thing to personally being behind the wheel of a GP! You did a excellent job describing and explaining this car like no one else has to date. I can’t wait to get behind the wheel…</p>
<p>Nice analogy for the suspension to headphone audio sources; that helps. Good job on the article, Nathaniel.</p>
<p>The conclusion is known for a long time, by all R56 owners that installed Bilstein, H&R, KW… fortunately R56 owners did not wait for the GP2 to recover R53 feeling</p>
<p>Interesting read. This car is just not for me – but that’s ok. No back seat, louder than my current JCW, too expensive, ugly (IMO) graphics and wheels. Was not aware how aggressive those Khumo tires are. Nice grey colour though – interested to see an Eclipse Grey vs. GP Grey in the same photo shoot someday.</p>
<p>But the article drives the point home that at some point I need to get adjustable coil-overs on my JCW to replace the stock sports suspension that is merely adequate.</p>
<p>I assume it’s too early, but does anybody know the cost to retrofit the GP suspension vs. aftermarket coil-overs?</p>
<p>Great review. Having driven the GP in the track only I could only surmise what it was like on the road. I’m happy to hear my expectations were met.</p>
<p>Gabe, Nathaniel, anyone – I have an issue. My dealer (and the Mini help line) said this car is going to come with Heated Seats, Sat Radio, and an alarm system. He’s saying his sticker is higher 39,950… Can anyone verify/ explain this? He said his order sheet is giving him this info.</p>
<p>I saw a screenshot of that as well. It’s being investigated as we speak.</p>
<p>Gabe, I really appreciate that. Please post an update as soon as you find out. It would be upsetting to see the car advertised/ have deposits at 1 price, and be delivered with another.</p>
<p>I got an email from my MA this morning to let me know our car had landed in NJ and gave me my VIN#, but that the cars would not be released to dealers until the end of Feb or o/a Mar.5 – no mention of any change in the price.</p>
<p>Ike – your MA is correct regarding the options on the US cars, including locking wheels, a Dab tuner, and automatic AC.</p>
<p>The official number given at the product launch event was $39,950.</p>
<p>Nate, can you confirm that the 41,xxx is an error and that the sticker on the car will be 39,950?</p>
<p>I don’t have any information on the $41k number, but I can confirm the $39,950. I just double-checked my photo from the official presentation.</p>
<p>Nathaniel, it says that on the order site as well, but dealers are getting an MSRP on their order screen of that 41k number. Would love if we can get official confirmation that this is an error please (as Gabe said was being looked into).</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
<p>If I had that info, I’d happily share it.</p>
<p>Exactly the review I wanted to read. I have been expecting the GP2 lack the feel of my GP, but it sounds like it’s still all there. Can’t wait to find out next month. Loved the sound/feel comparison, especially since I was listening to FLAC soundboard files though a DAC pluged into my NAD T787 with Klipsch Palladium p39s as I read that. Translation for anyone that doesn’t know what that means, I will quote The Italian Job. ” It’s a big stereo. Speakers so loud, they blow women’s clothes off!”.</p>
<p>Did you have a chance to drive in the wet with the Kumhos? My first MINI was set up for Spec MINI in the BMW CCA Club Racing Series, and the spec tire was a Kumho. Forget the model it was, but it was barely street legal, and tread looked like these. They were suprisingly good in the rain, even on the track. Forget the cold or snow. Planing on raising GP2 up all the way, and installing snows for winters. I live near Philadelphia, and some years we get hammered with snow, and others we get nothing. I will keep my summer tires on the original GP all year to have fun on the nice days.</p>
<p>Did not encounter any wet, but Kumho’s warnings are good enough for me.</p>
<p>Was the car you had the EXACT release car that is going to be delivered? Did it have heated seats/ sat radio? Was there bluetooth? Redundant steering wheel controls?</p>
<p>It was. MINI representatives said that these were part of the 500 USA allotment. I’d have to consult the interior photos for answers to your other questions. Frankly, I was only able to spend about an hour with the car, and I was fortunate enough to avoid having a driving partner for my review time. So I was focused on how it drove at the expense of some of the nitty gritty details.</p>
<p>So this is someone’s car being thrashed by car journalists and is then going to be sold to them like nothing happened? Am I the only person who sees a problem with this?</p>
<p>That was my reaction as well.</p>
<p>I’m guessing there’s no way of telling if we get one of these either, is there? I’m waiting on one(when it’ll be there, what the number will be, vin for tracking, etc. are still being withheld), but I don’t want one that’s been abused by a bunch of people before it even gets to my dealer. It just seems so wrong of them to do this to customers.</p>
<p>With the BMW 1M the vins were captured and then the cars sent to dealers as CPOs with extended warranty. However since it was the 1M they were actually priced higher than original MSRP. —
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<p>I was under the impression that a thousand dollar(non-refundable) deposit guaranteed you a new car, not a certified pre-owned car with a longer warranty. Did they do the same thing with deposits for 1m? Sounds even worse if the price is increased as well.</p>
<p>There is no way MINI is going to take your deposit for a new GP and give you a demo model unless that is explicitly on your sales agreement. I would say safe to assume there are 500 allotted to USA including demo models.</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>If you have a deposit on a new CS that of course is what you’ll get. These cars will be sold as pre-owned later this year. —
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<p>And I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t tempted…</p>
<p>The 2006 GP press car that you drove for MF in the frozen Chicago winter was later sold by MINI and is being well looked after by its current owner. One of the advantages if having a roof number is knowing the history. As you said, the GP2 driven by Nathaniel should find its way into the market place, with a disclosure at least to the initial buyer.</p>
<p>It’s a possibility that what this person meant was that these were exactly US-spec cars and that they just misspoke. I hope that’s the case. If they were sold, I have no doubt they’ll be sold honestly as demo cars, at a discount, with full warranty. So the only real rub here would be if this meant the actual number of available new GPs was a few less than 500.</p>
<p>I have a contract and money down on the 1st car allocated to our Mini dealer and was given the car’s VIN# last week. Apparently the car popped up on their inventory manifest and it’s in NJ. The car did not follow the usual tracking progress through the production process. The dealer does not anticipate getting the car until later this month or Mar.5, thereabouts…</p>
<p>What a great review of the GP2 !!!</p>
<p>$41,700. I’m looking at the spec sheet right now. The heated seats are part of the Recaro seat option and you can also count on getting the alarm system and satellite radio as well.</p>
<p>I’m hoping this was an error – it was advertised and deposits were taken on a 39,950 msrp – I’m having a dealer investigate and I believe motoringfile is as well.</p>
<p>I hope so too. On the order number they told us 39,950.</p>
<p>Ike, MINIUSA changed our spec sheets on the dealer side to reflect the correct price of $39,950. This isn’t the first time they made an error on the accounting side… <em>I just took a deep breathe too</em></p>
<p>Confirmed with my dealer – thank you!</p>
<p>Official MSRP from MINI USA is $39,950</p>
<p>Great write up Nathaniel! Can’t wait to hear more about this from your point of view when you get back!</p>
<p>At first I thought this car was awesome. A true champion of the brand. Now, with each passing photo I see, I can’t help but think how ridiculous this car looks. It may as well be a clown car. I have a hard time believing that the new brakes offer much or anything beyond the astonishing 4-piston Brembo clalipers of the current JCW offering. Especially given the weight difference is marginal at best. My two cents: add a set of phenomenal H&R RSS adjustable coil overs and Dunlop Direzza Star specs to your factory JCW and you’ll have a much sweeter, capable and comfortable ride then the goofy car in the article above. Why buy a stripped out version over an almost identical alternative? I’m sorry but the argument for being one of the elite just doesn’t cut it in the market this car is in, because it just isn’t – one of the elite, that is.</p>
<p>Sounds like a whole lot of negative about a car you haven’t even driven. You might want to [re-]read the reviews about the car in the hands of informed journalists who have actually driven and reported about the car’s performance. Their write-ups objectively address this car’s performance and handling. This car was designed as a drivers car, for people who love Mini’s and enjoy a heightened level of driving experience.</p>