The JCW Clubman is the quicker and more efficient alternative to the MINI Countryman Cooper S. Having just had the new Countryman for a week that opinion (that had been brewing since our first drive in the F60) was reinforced pretty strongly. Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoyed the Countryman and there’s little question it will be a huge seller for MINI USA. The load angles are better and it has an overall rugged quality to the design that gives it a ton of personality. The seating position is arguably better (for visibility) and the adjustable rear seats are a nice touch for the segment.
But (you knew it was coming) there is simply no way I would spend my money on a Countryman Cooper S when I could (for 3-4k more) get a quicker, more agile JCW Clubman. Add to the fact that MINI USA is dealing on Clubman right now and it’s a pretty viable choice.
New MINI Countryman (F60) |
Inches | Clubman | F60 is greater by | Previous Countryman (R60) |
F60 is greater by |
Length | 169.8 | 168.3 | 1.5 | 161.7 | 8.1 |
Width | 71.7 | 70.9 | 0.8 | 66.3 | 5.4 |
Height | 61.3 | 56.7 | 4.6 | 61 | 0.3 |
Wheelbase | 105.1 | 105.1 | Same | 102.2 | 2.9 |
Front track (Cooper) |
61.5 | 61.6 | 2.5 | 60.2 | 1.3 |
Rear track (Cooper) |
61.6 | 61.6 | 2.5 | 61.3 | 0.3 |
Front track (Cooper S) |
61.6 | 60.2 | 1.4 | 60.2 | 1.4 |
Rear track (Cooper S) |
61.7 | 61.3 | 0.4 | 61.3 | 0.4 |
Legroom (front) |
40.4 | 41.4 | -1 | 40.4 | Same |
Legroom (rear) | 37.6 | 34.3 | 3.3 | 33.8 | 3.8 |
Shoulder room (front) |
54.8 | 54.7 | 0.1 | 52.8 | 2 |
Shoulder room (rear) |
54 | 52.8 | 1.2 | 52.1 | 1.9 |
Headroom (front) |
40.5 | 40.2 | 0.3 | 39.9 | 0.6 |
Headroom (rear) |
38.3 | 38 | 0.3 | 37.5 | 0.8 |
Cargo Volume (rear seats in use) | 17.6 | 17.5 | 0.1 | 17.5 | 0.1 |
Cargo Volume (rear seats folded flat) | 47.6 | 47.9 | -0.3 | 42.2 | 5.4 |
<p>I know you prefer the Clubman but this isn’t really an apples to apples comparison, now is it? Shouldn’t you you be reviewing the JCW editions of each? Price differential will rise but the performance aspects will run closer to parity.</p>
<p>The commonality is the size and price. Because of the Countryman’s popularity right now you can find a JCW Clubman for only a few grand more than a comparible Countryman Cooper S.</p>
<p>Didn’t you guys pay $47,500 for your JCW Clubman(!)?</p>
<p>Yes – it’s fully loaded. They start at $35k and I’ve seen them for up to $7k off MSRP right now. The Countryman Cooper S starts at 31,700 with few to no deals to be had.</p>
<p>Where have you seen a jcw clubman for 7k off?!?!? I WANNA GO THERE AND BUY IT THEN ?</p>
<p>Here you go: <a href="https://instagram.com/p/BWkhA9-BhPK/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://instagram.com/p/BWkhA9-BhPK/</a></p>
<p>Ahhh I knew clubmans were getting discounted but I’ve never seen a jcw discounted. Confusion on my part.</p>
<blockquote><i>Didn’t you guys pay $47,500 for your JCW Clubman(!)?</i></blockquote>
<p>They didn’t pay anything. They were given a free long term loaner.</p>
<p>I realize that. Wasn’t what we were talking about. Was talking about cars dealer lots being discounted</p>
<p>As someone that works and sells for MINI I have found that my customers generally don’t compare the two models. People buy the Countryman because of it’s higher seating position not the performance. Clubmans unique look is also very subjective, people either like it or hate it. The two models are different enough that they are attracting different buyers which is great when selling them.</p>
<p>Amy, as a MINI sales person I am very interested to know how your customers feel about the relative size of the new Countryman. I recently went to my dealership to look at the new Countryman in person. I’m an R60 owner and I was struck by just how big the F60 is. I know I am probably in the minority but I was turned off by the big-ness. What is the general consensus of the people who come in the showroom and look at the car?</p>
<p>Yes, its definitely grown and its certainly obvious. Saying that, I haven’t had any negative reactions to it because of the growth. As a smaller female, I don’t notice the size difference while driving and the visibility is still really good around the car. I was surprised that the previous R60 reviews said that it lacked in space in the rear seats, I have always thought there was plenty and customers thought so too. So adding space in the F60 is a little baffling but it hasn’t been a disadvantage. Have you driven an F60 yet? If not, definitely do, its a really great product. The improvements in performance, suspension and noise dampening are brilliant.</p>
<p>Thanx for the feedback Amy, I am an R60 owner and I agree I think there is sufficient rear seat room. I’m 6 feet tall and regularly have 4 adults in the car. Most people are surprised how comfortable it is inside. I did not drive the F60, but maybe I will next time on your recommendation</p>
<p>MINI USA TOTAL SALES AUGUST vs YTD 2017</p>
<p>Countryman – 1,365 vs 9,191
Hardtop 2dr – 0,848 vs 7,104
Clubman —– 1,103 vs 5,952
Hardtop 4dr – 0,639 vs 4,956
Convertible — 0,493 vs 3,839</p>