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Sniff Petrol's Take on the JCW GP (Timothy Sipples)

Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:16:31 GMT

I can think of another easy way to shave pounds off the MINI. Petrol weighs about 6 pounds per U.S. gallon. Shrink the tank. With half the seats, why not half the range?

MyMini Hurricane Update (Pete/MyMini)

Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:38:06 GMT

Thanks to all of you for your very kind remarks and support! Just to let you know, we've shipped all orders from October 20 > November 3- only a couple of items remain to be cleared (ITG filters, MINILITES-"on the docks"). We can process internet and telephone orders, providing our power stays on-by generator for now! Requests after 11/6 may take one extra day to get out but we will stay on top of the situation as best we can until we're back to "normal". More stuff is in the "pipeline" so stay tuned!

Sniff Petrol's Take on the JCW GP (fdavid)

Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:26:40 GMT

I love to read this. I can't believe that many of us (not including myself) pay dearly for JCW parts. It's so silly. Love this articles. The only thing worth any money is the GP body kit and that one still needs some work as well.

Sniff Petrol's Take on the JCW GP (Humourless)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:51:30 GMT

Not one of SP's better offerings. His slagging of David Coulthard's driving career was brilliant, this is... something I might come with.

Sniff Petrol's Take on the JCW GP (rB)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:50:11 GMT

I like the name........The Copper SHIT......nice

MyMini Hurricane Update (Mark)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:46:13 GMT

Hey pete, a little wind and a little rain, get over it man! Lisa, Mini, and I miss you!!!

Sniff Petrol's Take on the JCW GP (acetonic)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:28:27 GMT

That article is almost as funny as the fact that people will pay BMW's insane prices for this minor upgrade.

Sniff Petrol's Take on the JCW GP (Vanwall)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:45:44 GMT

They are consisently the funniest gearhead humor. Their swipes at MINI have been some of their best, but they are equal opportunity slangers. F1 has been a constant target, and the Government is skewered with regularity. They were on NPR last month, promoting a new book on "C**p Cars". Entertaining reading.

       BCNU
      Rob in Dago

Sniff Petrol's Take on the JCW GP (BelowRadar)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:34:41 GMT

I think a classmate of the five year-old that designed the rival body kit wrote the jokes for the article.

Sniff Petrol's Take on the JCW GP (CFMINI)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 19:42:53 GMT

That site is a HOOT!! Makes my Car Stuff Favourites (UK section) List.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (tanya)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:49:22 GMT

Yeah, those annoying warning labels. Even one life saved is definitely not worth the aesthetic coruption of our beloved home appliances. Oh, good news! No warning label on the MINI window switch, so no worries there.

Sniff Petrol's Take on the JCW GP (Allan)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:36:50 GMT

Heh kind of funny..

MyMini Hurricane Update (James)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:26:55 GMT

Pete is a great guy and has been a very generous supporter of Sunshine MINIs since MyMini opened. Hopefully he'll be back to normal soon.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (jazmini)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:58:16 GMT

Also -- I was order no 1743

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (jazmini)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:56:54 GMT

Just ordered my subscription! Can't wait. Looking forward to seeing advertisements and all the products and vendors in the USA.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Steve)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:05:51 GMT

I really hope that they make the front spoiler brake scopes functional. It would be really tacky if they didn't. I also think the 17" wheels would be more practical and 5 spoke would look better. Looks as if SSR could use some help out there seems as if their going out of business. Gabes rendition looks really good. Most of all i really want them to put in motors that are pre tested for strong hp.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (rB)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 13:53:50 GMT

I've never tried it so I really don't know. But it's kinda like the warning on a hair dryer...............

MINI United Wrap-up (Greg W)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 06:06:53 GMT

Thanks RB and I too agree that USA is under represented in world motorsport. Apart from Andretti and Gurney you guys should have more international drivers, but you have done remarkably well at LeMans 24 hour (Ford GT). NZ has only 4 million people but we have had some great drivers - Bruce McLaren, Denny Hulme, Chris Amon, and more recently in your Indy series Scott Dixon. And Rod and Steve Millen based in California. Check another NZ'er in upcoming film - The World's fastest Indian.

MyMini Hurricane Update (MadisonMini)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 02:59:33 GMT

Pete and MyMini are great. I've place 4 orders with them over the last year and they are the first place I look to when I need something for my MCSC.

Hang in there, Pete! Best wishes.

MyMini Hurricane Update (Evan)

Sun, 06 Nov 2005 02:41:50 GMT

Nice to hear that Pete of MyMINI is 'one of the truly good guys out there in the MINI world'. I found him was pleasant to deal with recently and wish him well after the hurricane.

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit Specs (Charles High)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:28:13 GMT

Talked with Knaus today about another matter and they said they have already 'sold out' their allotment. I first heard about the GP today.

Introducing the 170hp 2005 MINI Cooper S Cabrio (nathen)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:43:55 GMT

i love it so much its not funny and i lyk it coz of da interior,the stock rims,the front and rear lights and the hood and da exhaust in da middle

MyMini Hurricane Update (Bilbo Baggins)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:41:46 GMT

Good luck and best wishes.

Let me know as soon as you are able to strart shipping again because I want one of your excellant knee pads to go in my brandy new '06 MCS.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Derek)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:40:07 GMT

I'll reserve judgement when it's all said and done...

With something going on at Bertone, and if the JCW GP is that something, then that's alot of assembly line set-up for not alot of modifications to the base MCS JCW...

'Just a thought.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Derek)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:38:00 GMT

I DO like tthe cover over the lower part of the grille on the bumper.

And something else to ponder - I find it hard to believe that if the JCW GP's are the cars that are going to be produced at Bertone, it seems like alot of trouble to set up another assembly location for only a few modifications...

I think something is brewing.

MINI United Wrap-up (rB)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:09:47 GMT

I saw some amazing racing in person there. Jim Hall, Bob Edmison's Corvette going 176 in 1960's, then the CanAm cars in the 200 mph range, the "esses"'s. It's sad.

MINI United Wrap-up (Gabe)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:58:56 GMT

When I think of all the tracks in Europe that have been there so many years but in California we have lost so many tracks...OCIR, Riverside, Ascot, Gilmore Field D track, the old Irwindale Drag Strip, Ontario International and others it makes me feel sad. Too many people here.

I'll second that! One my first memories of watching autoracing on TV was seeing NASCAR at Riverside in the early 80's.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (peter)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:57:19 GMT

No Secondrate Halfassed Inferior Tuning

MINI United Wrap-up (rB)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:49:53 GMT

Greg W........

Thanks for the explanation.

Please Note that this was in no way a knock against anyone in NZ. Wether it was a MINIUSA thing or whatever it's gets old seeing, for whatever reason, the USA not being represented in F1, WRC or having our USA companies and or teams not supporting American drivers, no knock against any foreign drivers either as it's not there fault the way things are going.

When I think of all the tracks in Europe that have been there so many years but in California we have lost so many tracks...OCIR, Riverside, Ascot, Gilmore Field D track, the old Irwindale Drag Strip, Ontario International and others it makes me feel sad. Too many people here.

MyMini Hurricane Update (rB)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:33:36 GMT

Good Luck & Best Wishes to all you folks that were hit hard by Wilma & Katrina.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (peter)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:25:49 GMT

Ah,,,,,, just give me a nicely finished, barely legal race car in street clothes.....very high horsepower, super light weight, with special paint. No rear seats is fine, rear strut bar, front strut bar, adjustable camber plates, major power and handling upgrades, no a/c, no radio, track seat belts, special fat steering wheel and grippy real "bucket" seats.

No frills, all go. For the street. That is all.

MyMini Hurricane Update (MiamiJAG)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:40:44 GMT

Hang in there man, I just got the power back 2 days ago!! No power no $$, it is hard.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (tanya)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:52:47 GMT

tanya........................ If there's a RESPONSIBLE ADULT in the car that can't happen.

I'll take that as a yes.

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit First Photos (k)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:43:07 GMT

i hate it

Woman Pays $18k Extra for Pink MINI (emma)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:42:06 GMT

when im 17 i hope i get a pink minni i dont no nany one else who wants one but i reckon it would be great bright pink

Woman Pays $18k Extra for Pink MINI (emma)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:39:10 GMT

id pay that for my minni to be pink blatantly its well worth it

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (rB)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:13:27 GMT

tanya........................

If there's a RESPONSIBLE ADULT in the car that can't happen.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (j/c)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 07:36:25 GMT

Always nice to see these personal touches, especially when it's a fellow Mac person.

Hey Marv, the Malibus have their own rush hours. Wanna get popped? Drive the Santa Monicas!

Plenty of cool roads as you approach Kern County. Down south, San Diego County has plenty of party pavement.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tanya)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 04:27:07 GMT

I think most of you are missing the point. In fact, the majority of you have gotten it all wrong. This is the problem with offering a superior product to a predominantly I-once-drove-a-Honda crowd. This one isn't meant to be chopped up, destroyed or turned into a monster like so many other MINIs are. This is meant to be a collectors item. A work of art, not canvas fodder. Under 30k? With JCW and extensive CF? Go back to your half baked after market world and leave the real toys for the real girls and boys.

Holy Toledo! If you are a real boy or girl, then I choose surreality. If you consider this a work of art, well, um... let's just say I know of a few Elvis portraits on black velvet priced in the low three figures that you might find interesting.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tanya)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 04:22:57 GMT

I'm guessing that part of the whopping 88lbs is coming from spec'ing halogen headlights instead of "Xenons." That would be low, indeed.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (tanya)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 04:06:30 GMT

Too bad you can't get the AutoUp anymore.

Just curious, would this "Autoup" mod crush the trachea of a small child? Cuz that would be bad...

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (wmba)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:36:25 GMT

1696 - Hope I get a shirt. It was still an option on the order form.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (MINIme)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:22:39 GMT

Congratulations! Love the wheels. You are a lucky guy. Wish I had JCW kit but I am really enjoying the MCS anyway. Which interior do you choose? LSD?

MINIUSA's RoofStudio (vin)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 23:53:58 GMT

I was messing around with it a few days ago. Very cool (and addictive!)

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (rB)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 23:40:25 GMT

Too bad you can't get the AutoUp anymore.

Classic Mini, Supercharged! (miniman)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 23:27:34 GMT

Dumpvalve on a Cooper S?

I think you will find that there is already one fitted! Although it will not be one of those boy racer noisy things as the S has a supercharger it needs to use a recirculating dumpvalve(bypass) which basically returns the boosted air back into the inlet side of the Blower when the car is at idle and decellerating.

So in short no! Although the MINI isn't really that short is it to be fair!

I hope that helps!

miniman

MINIUSA's RoofStudio (Nathaniel Salzman)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:35:56 GMT

Gabe, do you by any chance know who did the design work for this. The interface is really cool - simple yet imaginative. I like knowing who does what - who to keep my eye on, you know?

MINI United Wrap-up (Greg W)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:02:41 GMT

Hey RB and Capn, Yes, the cars are coming to New Zealand for a MINI Challenge racing series - I refered to this in a previous thread. Why NZ? Because we were offered the cars to set up a series by the factory and made a commitment. I guess other markets including the USA were not interested so you will have to ask your MINI USA people for their reason. You guys have a sort of a series already, but not like the MINI Challenge format and rules of GB and Germany which is what the factory seem to want. I spoke with NZ driver Mike Eady and he said that the racing was some of the toughest he has encountered in his career (24 hours Nurburgring, Europe, Oceania, Porsche Cup). Apparently the European drivers had all been Go-kart champions or sons of saloon car champions, were profesional drivers and even had their managers there! Of the 20 cars, there are still 10 without drivers signed, so if you are keen to come down and race contact the MINI NZ Manager; Peter.Jarratt@bmw.co.nz

MINIUSA's RoofStudio (revwillie)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:13:49 GMT

Wow, just keep clicking in the center of the circles and give yourself a major buzz...

MINIUSA's RoofStudio (Siddhartha)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:06:57 GMT

Mine's uploaded but not available for viewing yet. I'll send a link when it is.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (Marvin Price)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:39:10 GMT

Nathaniel,

Already put the Dension ice-link plus in for the iPod. Very cool. All the reviews I read here are spot on. It's best to use the iPod's UI though. I have two different iPods and if I use the ice-link's UI, the iPods will often get hung up requiring a reset (if they will). Sometimes I have to just wait them out.

If I use the iPod's UI, no problems whatsoever.

One of the iPods I have is the new iPod with video. Kinda cool being able to play movies while stuck in traffic.

MINI United Wrap-up (Dimitri)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:26:32 GMT

BTW, we took more than 1000 pictures at the event and they will be available soon on our website. We'll keep you posted.

MINI United Wrap-up (Dimitri)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:25:00 GMT

Hey everyone,

last night at 0230 am the Russian Crew came back home. There is a small mistake in the press release, more than one person drove down to Italy from Moscow, Russia. Actually it was 5 people in 3 cars. The total journey added up to 6500 km and lasted 12 days including the event.

I can tell you one thing - MiniUnited 2005 was FANTASTIC. Not sure why more people from the states didn't come, but there was a couple from Washington DC leaving in our hotel (James and Marina), they were great fun.

I had a camcorder with me during the whole event and have the races filmed. The feeling on the spectators stand near the start line before the green light came on was incompareable to anything ever!!!! It was the best!

We traveled back with one of chief guys from Mini, Germany and he said that there were over 6000 mini fans there and nearly 4000 cars. MINI never expected to have so many people at the event.

At the Mini Challenge final there was a guy from the states Brad Davis, so I presume you have the series over the Atlantic.

I think that the reason for the first MU to take place in europe is that it would ensure a more international crowd. If the next event will be held in North America, it would attract mainly US and Canadian owners, as it is far too far away. Unfortunately the distance do mater, so I think they will have to hold 2 sepparate events for 2 markets.

MINI officials are going to gather all the feedback and adjust the strategy accordingly. At the moment there are talks of holding the next event in 2 to 5 years. There is no way the event can become anual, I don't even think it can be held every 2 years. In order to maintain the attractiveness, they should embrace the olympic strategy and the next one should be MU 2009 somewhere in Germany or UK.

MINIUSA's RoofStudio (Edge)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:24:05 GMT

Paul,

It worked great for me... what OS & browser are you using?

MINIUSA's RoofStudio (NoSoupForYou)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:56:44 GMT

Can you print those over a sunroof?

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (tanya)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:31:01 GMT

Forget the grid, dude. Can you say Malibu canyons? Mulholland Drive? I thought you could...

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (GuessWho)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:30:30 GMT

That is a great write up... I can't stop laughing about how you describe L.A.....

"It�s an insurmountable grid designed in hell."

That is timeless.... :D

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (Nathaniel Salzman)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:47:23 GMT

Thanks for the info. I originally came from a very technical/engineering background and then made the shift to creative design work. I didn't realize the virtues of Mac until I was forced to work on one daily at an internship and I haven't looked back since. I enjoy the tech side of dealing with the Mac (in many ways because it's so much easier to deal with, with fewer issues than the PC's it seems) so the role of a Mac IT consultant wouldn't be too far a stretch for me (sort of my unofficial side duty here in the studio anyway). Thanks for the resource and congrats on the MCS! I want almost that exact spec, except with the white roof. Have you, or do you plan to, integrated an iPod into that bad boy yet?

MINIUSA's RoofStudio (Paul)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:37:50 GMT

Looks like the site is suffering from the "Motoringfile effect" - can't get the flash component to load at all! Sounds great though :)

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (Marvin Price)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:37:45 GMT

Well I see I need to stay out of Boston! My comment about LA roads was based on experience and an article that came out in the LA times a while back.

Driving my old Z3, if I hit a pothole, it often felt like I ran into a wall. The Z3 was a great drive, (not as much fun as the Mini), but the streets beat the poor car to death. I was forever getting alignments, replacing bent wheels, and tires, etc.

In LA, if they slap some tar into a pothole, that bubbles out and dries uneven, the road is considered repaved.

One thing about the Mini, I seem to be able to avoid potholes more effectively.

Based on what you folks have said though, I guess I should count my blessings.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (Marvin Price)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:31:58 GMT

Nathan, I've been an IT pro for the better part of 20 years. Done everything from manager large IT departments to being head of advanced technology for a bank. Then I made the mistake of sitting down and playing with a Mac (sorta like the same thing that happens when you test drive the Mini).

Since then I've done all the same things, only with emphasis on the Macintosh. I put in networks large and small, troubleshooting for clients, hardware/software acquisition, software development, integration, all the normal stuff that an IT guy does, only I do it for lots of companies and individuals. Most of my clients are in creative areas, particularly motion graphics folks, however I work with lawyers, writers, musicians, architects, scientists, etc. In LA there is a large Mac base.

Look into ACN (The Apple Consultants Network) for more information.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (HPuck35)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:12:16 GMT

Liked your writeup on the Mini. I live in LA also and love driving my Mini around town. LA roads aren't the worst. I grew up in Boston and as others have noted, Boston's roads are about the worst; huge pot holes, they don't even know the concept of a left turn lane, many 5 and 6 way intersections, no street signs, crazy drivers (old saying in Boston was "If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalks!"; and yes I have seen cars driving down the sidewalks at (ch)rush hour), etc. The frustrating thing about LA is sometimes you do find an open road with room to have fun and that makes the traffic filled roads hard to deal with. In Boston, you have no prayer of finding a good open road, so you just resign yourself to the misery.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (Nathaniel Salzman)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:11:48 GMT

I'm also very interested in what exactly a "Mac Consultant" is. Full time Mac Consultant, part time Designer wouldn't be a bad gig - basically the opposite at the moment.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Avitor)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:06:37 GMT

Go back to your half baked after market world and leave the real toys for the real girls and boys.

I really do not think that kind of comment is called for.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (Jon)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:02:02 GMT

Nice backpedaling...

Anyway, I like the spotlight segment, Gabe. Can't wait to read about other MINI owners, and what they've done to their MINIs.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (David Van Oosterwyk)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:41:10 GMT

Don't take me serious. I enjoy reading anything MINI. I'm not knocking the spotlight. I enjoyed reading the article, too. I usually check Motoringfile first thing in the morning for my news. Gabe does a great job of fereting out new information on anything MINI.

Gabe, sorry if you took it the wrong way. Keep up the great work!

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (Ian C.)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:22:46 GMT

Nicely done; I wonder if I would have enjoyed LA driving more in my MINI, than in the Chrysler 300 hyper-hearse I rented

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (minihaha)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:57:36 GMT

Nice article Marvin, the comparisons to your old BMW were interesting. Anything that makes your daily commute more enjoyable has to be a bonus.

Oosterwyk's comments are out of line.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (Kurt)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:01 GMT

I've driven up and down the east coast, and in L.A. There is no competion, Boston has the worst roads. L.A.'s roads might have been designed in hell, but Boston's were actually built there, then transported to Mass.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (MS)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:52:15 GMT

I think most of you are missing the point. In fact, the majority of you have gotten it all wrong. This is the problem with offering a superior product to a predominantly I-once-drove-a-Honda crowd. This one isn't meant to be chopped up, destroyed or turned into a monster like so many other MINIs are. This is meant to be a collectors item. A work of art, not canvas fodder.

Under 30k? With JCW and extensive CF? Go back to your half baked after market world and leave the real toys for the real girls and boys.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (greg)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:38:41 GMT

I enjoyed this and only wished for more pics-nice color combo! I'd like to hear from more JCW owners. Especially those who have modded beyond JCW. I need ideas and advice for mine.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (tom)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:38:32 GMT

I agree with Siddhartha - Oosterwyk needs to get a life - big time! I always enjoy hearing about new owners and their Minis. I like hearing about Mini owners going to get another Mini, so keep it coming - gives me the new Mini fever! Oosterwyk, you need to go back to your online porn.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (Siddhartha)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:11:05 GMT

"Slow news day, Gabe?"

Ease up there, brah. Commentaries like these remind us that we are part of a special Motoring community. Tell me you weren't awestruck by your new MINI back in the day. I know I was,and still am. Good read, Marvin!

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (nina simone)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:10:14 GMT

Driving, made therapy. :D

Wonder, wonder.

Beautiful baby. Welcome & congrats, Marvin. In all the cosmos, you're in just the right place.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (rB)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:09:34 GMT

DVO..........I don't understand that remark? How many times do we need to beat to death the GP car or whatever. It's nice to have a bit of the human element don't you think?

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (tsukiji)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:57:25 GMT

Welcome to the cult.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (David Van Oosterwyk)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:52:06 GMT

Slow news day, Gabe?

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (Chad)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:38:51 GMT

"This car is a British Racing Green, fire breathing, hyper agile, urban Euro-ninja."

-that is awsome!

MINI United Wrap-up (RB)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:34:25 GMT

I just don't get it......we, USA, buy more of these than most anyone but their taking the cars to New Zealand, no offense to NZ, now that PMO! What a LOAD.

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (jdmarino)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:33:55 GMT

That's a sweet looking ride.

I'm a new stick-shift driver. My normal commute is 2.5 miles in an uncrowded city (White Plains, NY) I'm going on my first road trip next week to Boston. It's good to know the MINI is an urban warrior (Boston's streets are bad -- and they're NOT aligned in a grid.)

MotoringFile Spotlight: Marvin Price (RB)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:31:10 GMT

Nice write up thanks for sharing. It's pretty much how I see my experiences here in LA LA Land.

LA roads the worse, I must beg to differ on that point. Having recently driven a Cooper from Boston area and my MCS from Charlotte NC., both to Pasadena, this year I found many worse road conditions on my way home, especially in Arkansas and Albuquerque New Mexico.

If you use Assael BMW/MINI ask for Tim West for SA, he's the best there. Otherwise steer clear of that place.

Also I need a Mac consultant, if interested please send me an email describing your services.....RB

R99 US Pricing Released, Available Now (max)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:34:26 GMT

Does anyone know the official price of the Double spoke R105 18 inch light alloy wheels MATT BLACK (JCW) ? And are the available in Europe (Belgium)? cheers, max

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Gary Anderson)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:22:11 GMT

To Ralph's specific questions: The first issue will be mailed the first week in December (of this year) though we may spend the entire Christmas holiday recovering. The first issue will only be available in a few select bookstores, since distributors don't accept magazines for distribution until they've evaluated the content, appearance, quality to assure the mag will sell. However, Barry plans to distribute free copies of the first issue to those MINI dealers who will accept and distribute the copies. But if you want to make sure that you will get one of those first issues, a subscription is the best way to go -- same guarantee of all mailed magazines: you can cancel at any time and your remaining subscription funds will be refunded. As to charter subscriber privileges; we want to make it as attractive as possible to sign up early, since the early response makes all the difference in how fast we can capture new advertisers, ramp up page totals, add contributors, etc. On the other hand, if e.g eZine venture, newsletter, etc look like good business ideas, they'll be available at some cost to those who waited to see before they signed on. But be assured, you "early adopters" will always be a privileged group with lots of influence on our long-term development. Cheers Gary

MINI United Wrap-up (Philip)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:35:56 GMT

All those CHALLENGE MINIs are shipped to New Zealand for their 2006 CHALLENGE season.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Ralph)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:45:21 GMT

The Q & A didn't mention when the first issue would be out. When will the first issue be available at newsstand, bookstores, etc?

Also in the Q & A it's written:

Charter Subscribers will be offered privileges at our planned e-zine/newsletter, interactions with advertisers for testing new products, and some ideas we're tinkering with. It's about relationships, so e-mails.

Why is it that only "Charter Subscribers (i.e those that subscribe before issue #1 is out) will get e-zine/newsletter, etc? I can understand the t-shirt thing but isn't it kind of unfair for people who subscribe after the first issue release that they won't be able to receive the e-zine/newsletter.

To me that doesn't seem a good thing to do when a publication wants subscribers.

MINI United Wrap-up (Kyle)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:06:00 GMT

Any chance of getting the shot of all the MINIs racing as a hi-res wallpaper shot, Gabe? :)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (j)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:40:10 GMT

here's an idea

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/843287

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (dgszweda)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 04:50:04 GMT

I am still waiting for BMW to call me or drop me an e-mail:) I am in love with BMW's, so if they are reading, I would be more than happy to help out.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Lawrence)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 04:40:33 GMT

I echo what tanya says above... start with what we've got and make that better, rather than manufacture new (and somewhat fugly) accessory pieces...

For example, some people referred to aluminum- or CF-skinned roofs - why not take a sunroofed car, delete the mechanicals and glass, and replace with aluminum or CF inserts? Minimal cost there.

Raid the parts bin for the JCW performance stuff, tweak the DSC, make LSD standard - MINI already has that stuff. Combine with a full delete list - no rear seat bottoms or backs or belts, no AC, no radio, no speakers, no rear wiper, no sound deadening, less dash/console plastics, etc etc etc - and you're getting somewhere.

Now we've got a good platform to start adding or modifying to make exclusive. I think MINI went the other way round, coming up with exclusive items/schemes first and then trying to work in the performance aspect.

MINI United Wrap-up (O(=^=)O Capn)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:05:30 GMT

So, What do they do with all of those marvelously equipped MINI's that they race against afterwards? I think an auction for charity would be cool! That way at least we would be able to get them, and it would support a good cause.

MINI United Wrap-up (O(=^=)O Capn)

Fri, 04 Nov 2005 01:05:47 GMT

okay maybe the other thread would be the best place to put this, but picture three would be my choice for a GP MINI.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tanya)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:42:57 GMT

They're gonna take what they have in their current parts bin and create a package that they know they can sell---without any problems.

But they didn't do this at all... they created some ridiculously overwrought new exterior trim pieces and silly big wheels. If you read through the suggestions above, there are many great ideas for using what they already have with very minor additions (and deletions). IMO they just screwed this one up. Period.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Fred)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:24:22 GMT

The JCW GP is not going to make everyone happy; and remember it's an end-of-model-run car. They're not gonna throw a V-6 or straight 6 into it; they're not gonna add a carbon fiber roof on it. They're gonna take what they have in their current parts bin and create a package that they know they can sell---without any problems.

Is it going to be a "killer car"...NO Is it going to have more "style than go"....PROBABLY; but that doesn't mean they aren't on the right path.

What I and about 2,000 other potential owners are searching for is a more coheasive effort in formulating what is addmittedly a "marketing special". It's a little lighter, it has a few more HP than a normal JCW package. And it's not too late to make changes like better integration of some of the parts...and maybe come up with some new stuff like different wheels. But rest assured that MINI is not going to go to great lengths to certify a car in all their world markets for this GP, especially since this model variant is soon to be history.

I think MINI IS listening since in England the dealers are calling "listed" purchasers, asking them to increase their deposits up to 1,000 Pounds Sterling. I think they're a little nervous after reading all the negative comments on mini2 and Motoringfile.

So, give your feedback to GAbe and hope for the best...but don't expect they can do it all.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (GoldFinger)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:11:03 GMT

I like the GP as it is except i want the entire thing to made out of Goooooold!

MINI United Wrap-up (David Bunting)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:51:50 GMT

From talking with one of the people at MINI that was closely tied to MINI United, I can tell you that it was (as of March at least) MINI's intent that MINI United would be moved around to various markets as the years went on. Very possibly there could be a MINI United in North America at some point.

MINI United Wrap-up (RB)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:36:18 GMT

MINI United in the USA.........Yeah!

It would be great to see all the countries in the America's like Canada, Mexico, Virginia, Carolina, California, Arkansas, Alabama, etceteras, competing against each other! Columbia, they could have a Pepper White car. The USA companies that sponsored teams could go to Brazil and get some fine drivers for the USA MINI team or just leave it to Penske..........oops..........NAW....that would never happen!

Oh yeah instead of road course events at Watkins Glen or any of our fine road courses we could just go around Talladega a million times and see who lasts.

Then there's the food.

It would be fun though.

Just havin' sum fun, Sorry if it offended anyone.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Bryn)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:32:18 GMT

Ian F: Randy Webb was asked this and advised that it's not feasible. No room around the bores and complications around the crank. If it were possible, it would have been done years ago on the basis that "there's no substitute for cubic inches" ( - apart from forced induction, which we've got).

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (JAG)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:24:08 GMT

Well, the VR6 came to mind as I remembered a GTI with a V* from Porsche 928 in its hood by BB in Germany, they had to widen (like cut in half and add sheet metal) the car by 10 inches or so. Useless trivia.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Ian F)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:53:03 GMT

"Hey, forget the inline 6, which is impossible any way, why not outsource the VR6 from VW? That would be sweet. It is transverse mounted, light and very compact (the size of a regular 4 cylinder)."

Hmm... and then the MINI could handle like a VW... ;)

Having experience with the VR6, it's light and compact compared to a std V-6, but it's still a big, heavy engine compared to the MINI's I4. Everyone's complaining about reducing weight.

Has anyone looked into boring & stroking the crank in the 1.6 to increase displacement and low-end torque? In the end, there really is no replacement for displacement.

MINI United Wrap-up (JP)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:46:45 GMT

Hey Gabe you wouldn't happen to have the first and third pics in Hi-Res format for a wallpaper, would you?

MINI United Wrap-up (James)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:25:42 GMT

OK MINI USA, it's your turn!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (minimc)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:20:42 GMT

The current GP MINI screams W@NKER/POSER. It needs less contrast, more integration & function.

I agree with several ideas from dgszweda, Fred, Hubert and Tony T. IMO Tony nailed it:

WORKS GP RAW OR WORKS GP COMFORT

Only 2 flavors, one simply a "delete" model.

Current color is OK, but kind of boring. IMO could be brighter. Not a big fan of the contrasting colors (roof) & mirrors either. The red mirrors have got to go!

As per Hubert: Light weight bits that are MINI exclusive must come on or with the car.

230bhp
Recaro's
17" or 18" light & WIDE forged wheels
Widebody/fenders
JCW brakes, FRONT & REAR!+ painted calipers.
body color fenders, facia & rear

GP purpose built widebody: fenders & airdam (like an M-coupe) specifically to accommodate 225-235mm rubber & brake ducts - function, not fashion.

Wheels: If 18" we can forget BBS wheels, BBS won't make a 4-lug 18". Maybe a MINI branded Volk/Rays?.

GP tuned suspension to suit, and each car to have factory jigged cage mounting points (under headliner etc.) for an optional/dealer installed roll cage.

MINI should employ old-school tactics to sell the "sticky to import" bits.

Use tricks like the '67 GTO (ram air) or 65' Chevelle (headers) - parts shipped in the trunk.

And similarly regarding the Recaro's... does anyone remember the 1981 Subaru Brat pickup? ...Shipped with (throw away) "jump" seats bolted into the bed, so that the truck could be imported as a car!

[Quote: Steve] "Handtweak each chip, and include dyno chart from the actual car. Maybe even make it so that only a few of the "strongest" motors make it to GP level, the rest are designated for "standard" MCS duty. Really set the GP apart as a hand-picked series."

If MINI aren't planning to market the GP engine in a similar manner to that which Steve is suggesting they are FOOLS!

MINI United Wrap-up (Larry)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:05:42 GMT

Glad to hear Alex Zanardi taking the win! It's good to see him successful in racing again after his terrible crash in 2001. Way to go Alex!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (JAG)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:57:12 GMT

Hey, forget the inline 6, which is impossible any way, why not outsource the VR6 from VW? That would be sweet. It is transverse mounted, light and very compact (the size of a regular 4 cylinder).

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tanya)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:43:10 GMT

To make an all out car by reducing weight and adding more power, and then throw on 18" wheels for looks is ridiculous.

Agreed. Unless they're as light as Centerline RPMs or OZ Superleggeras... That could be excused. But he first-gen JCW 18s tip the scales at more than 23lbs! I'd be surprised if these come in under 20.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Gabe)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:16:17 GMT

dgszweda - i couldn't agree more (except for the 18" wheel thing)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (iDiaz)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:48:32 GMT

Even on the race track, a huge inline-6 hanging ahead of the front axles (it sits in a front-midship position in the 3-series, behind the axles)would make for a car that understeered horribly. I'm not sure that any amount of suspension tuning would be able to make up for that on such a short-wheelbase car.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tanya)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:43:08 GMT

Gabe - Please tell us that what was unvieled at Mini United was some kind of cruel joke.

Please, Gabe.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Ian F)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:38:18 GMT

Agree. An inline 6 in MINI is... well... silly... yeah, it's been done, but the result is not something I'd want to live with outside of a race track. It's also a heavy engine, and the tranny to stand up to it would also be heavier.

If we really want to push towards the BMW "M" way, then the 1.6 needs to get punched out to say... 1.8 or 2.0. Bear in mind, the 3.4L M engine is more or less a larger version of the 3.0 with different cam profiles.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (iDiaz)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:22:34 GMT

j, considering those engines are designed from the ground up to be mounted longitudinally, your idea, as tasty as it sounds, really isn't feasible. Not only would the engine compartment have to be heavily modified to accomodate such an engine (read: retooling a lot of the factory to accomodate new stampings), but a new transmission would have to be engineered from scratch to accomodate that engine. If you remember from the technical briefs from that German magazine on the MINI Cooper S, they had to design the twin-layshaft Getrag gearbox because of the difficulty in fitting a standard single-layshaft gearbox in the space left over after fitting the transverse-mounted 4-cylinder. I'm not sure if you've ever looked under the hood of any inline-6 equipped BMW, but an inline-6 is no small engine--taking up almost twice the space of more conventional V6 configurations.

MINI United Wrap-up (mikeythemini)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:22:16 GMT

Those Classics in the first pic were there as part of the Italian Job charity run from the UK - this does attract USA entries :) www.italianjob.com

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (JAG)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:49:41 GMT

Hubert, I think you nail it in the head """To make this version special, there MUST be visual lightweight modifications that aftermarket tuners cannot offer.""" I would add performance as well, engine and chasis mods that only the factory can do at a "price". MINI should have learnt their lesson with the MC 40 with so many still unsold at dealers is a hint that a little here and a little there will not fly. Either you go all the way a la VW R32 -a lot of bang for not a lot of $$, no wonder it has sold very well here and in Europe and hardly any tuner can replicate it for the same price- or don't do it.

MINI United Wrap-up (Ian C.)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:47:04 GMT

It must have been impressive to see that race - all MINIs identical in color too :)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (j)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:45:30 GMT

does anyone else like the idea of all wheel drive? an idea that as of right now has been put on hiatus with the new GP. personally i would really like to see a mini beat out an STi , EVO or R32. weight is a big factor.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (j)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:43:13 GMT

dgszweda- couldnt have said it better myself. thats why i proposed th idea of putting in the new 330i's inline six..... M philosophy. hold the twin turbo and superchargers on the AMGs and give me a natrully aspired engine any day. M just gives the car an engine that is different than the ret of the series. ex: M5/M6 gets the new v10, and the next gen M3 (cant wait any longer) gets the old M5s V8. simple stratagy thats been working for the past 20 or so years. I used "im looking for trouble with this one" as my alias 'cuz i didnt know how people would react. seems like miost of us are on the same page. now flashy cosmetics- just undeniable performance.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Jay)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:21:10 GMT

Two more things...make 5,000 of them and price around $35k US

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Jay)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:17:46 GMT

To truly make the GP a car to envy, I would aim for the specs of a highly modified MCS. Of course, it would still have to be a decent daily driver and have a full warranty. As such, there MUST BE some compromises. The Mitsubishi EVO has done a pretty good job here in the US using the same formula. With that said, here's my specs:

Full JCW body kit

JCW rear spoiler

Aluminium hood

Keep the rear seats, but make them easy to remove

JCW or Recaro front seats

Reduced sound insulation (not too aggressive; the car should still be relatively easy to live with as a daily driver)

Option for air conditioning delete. (nothing gets rid of fogged up better than a/c, especially when it's raining)

Boost & oil pressure auxiliary Gauges on steering column

Optional sound system

Voltage and oil temp guages (somewhere in the ceter counsel)

Lightweight forged 17" or 18" wheels (this could save 40 over the S-lights)

Max performance rubber (non run-flat)

Brembo calipers w/ more aggressive pads (or maybe the JCW calipers w/ agressive pads to keep costs down)

Air ducts to cool the front brakes

Thicker, adjustable rear sway bar

Possible use of aluminium suspension components (if doesn't cost too much)

Slightly higher spring rates w/ 1" drop in ride height

Koni FSD shocks/dampeners

JCW supercharger (15% reduction)

JCW cylinder head

JCW fuel injectors

Iridium plugs

Larger intercooler (depending on cost)

Oil catch can

More aggressive CAI (I like the GT Tuning model)

More aggressive cam

Titanium one-ball cat-back exhaust (not too loud; in the US there are noise limits)

ECU tuning with multiple settings for octane level

LSD + ASC

Short throw shifter w/ custom shift knob (i.e. Whalen)

MINI United Wrap-up (Adam)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:01:52 GMT

Is there video of the Challenge race floating around anywhere? It'd be cool to see/hear those Challenge cars roar by.

MINI United Wrap-up (blalor)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:10:14 GMT

Another highlight of the weekend was a special sneak preview of the new MINI Cooper S with John Cooper Works GP Kit and the chance to speak to the designers about the lighter, more powerful MINI.

Man, I wonder what those conversations were like. ;-)

MINI United Wrap-up (RB)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:07:48 GMT

I gotta go to the next event!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Ian F)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:45:45 GMT

The more I read everyone's comments - and reflect back upon my own - I realize MINI is fighting a losing battle with this car. There's no way they can make everyone happy... or even half of them...

Like I wrote a couple of threads ago, if too many changes are made to the car (lightweight body parts, huge power increases, etc), they would have to get it re-certified - an expensive, time consuming procedure that would need to be amortized over a lot more than a few hundred cars. As spec'd, it's basically a JCW. And not a badly priced one, at that.

If you really want a lightweight, hi-po MCS for competition and track use, you are still better off building your own from a base MCS. The introduction of a factory package isn't going to change that.

If I'd change anything on this supposed "for competition" car it would be the wheels - make them as cheap as possible. I don't really care what they put on the car at the factory as I'd replace them with a set of 17" SSR Comps anyway.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Chris Kimmelshue)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:30:29 GMT

"What they should have done" JCW GP:

Mechanicals Factory installed JCW parts - brakes, suspension, engine kit. Limited slip differential, factory short shift kit. No A/C, manual windows, and radio delete option. JCW custom ECU tune with multiple DSC modes (track, street, winter). Custom ECU tune should be good for 225 bhp.

Interior Smooth rear cargo area ("rear seat delete" type setup) with custom JCW rubber floor mats, CF dash board and other CF interior bits.

Exterior Unique JCW color scheme with unique badging. Lightweight 17" wheels with unique sticky run-flats. CF exterior bits, unique CF wing, CF front splitter.

All this under $35,000 delivered.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (KevinR)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:13:29 GMT

A Cooper Challenge MCS with an actual interior and no roll cage. Tweaked JCW tuning kit, JCW suspension, JCW brake kit. Light weight 7x16 wheels with 205/50 non-runflat tires.

No rear seat, no center console, no radio, no clock, no A/C, no power windows, locks or mirrors, no fog lights. Remove most of the interior lighting.

Parcel shelves left and right instead of a glove box. Get rid of the airbags except for the one in the steering wheel and the one in the dash for the passenger.

Remove all unnecessary wiring: stereo, antenna, alarm pre-wire, etc... Remove most of the sound deadening material. Consider getting rid of the rear wiper and the rear window defogger.

There are more possibilities for deletion/weight savings, but you get the idea.

Three gauge panel (oil temp, oil press, water temp) in place of the radio.

Use the Nav/Chrono speedometer and tachometer setup to keep those gauges in front of the driver.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Long Run Nick)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:41:00 GMT

Ah, I think this a first for me--a Charter Subscriber. #1543. I can make myself available for any photo ops (:. Nick

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Deborah (aka NekoWoman))

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:10:05 GMT

I'm in... 1300 something. I'm really looking forward to this magazine. GoMINI had little substance. Roundel on the other hand, is an interesting read every time. Hopefully MC2 will be able to pull that off.

I'm really pleased to see that you have a lady in your writing crew. I've always enjoyed cars, but I've never been the type to "mod" my car. The MINI, however, has turned that all around. I can use all the "Dummies guide to MINI how-tos" you guys can publish. I want to understand everything from the lingo to how to inspect my brakes.

A suggestion I'd offer for a topic to cover... (as morbid as this sounds) Cover the MINI saving lives. As a former Volvo owner, I still love going to Volvo's website & reading the "my Volvo saved my life" stories complete with pictures of a totaled car. I would not have bought a car this small without the safety features it has & I'd love to have more confirmation of the extremes this car is capable of.

I'd also like to see an article on high-mileage MINIs. I know we have one out there with 150K on the odometer. It'd be really interesting to have a mechanic look at all the major systems and talk about how the car is fairing.

Well, anyhow... just a couple of my crazy ideas for what I'd like to read (along with everything else already mentioned). Best of luck to you guys!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (dgszweda)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:00:18 GMT

I will add another point.

The GP should reflect the philosophy found in BMW's M-Series, but with a Mini flair. While style is nice, it shouldn't be the driving factor, but a result of what is done. To make an all out car by reducing weight and adding more power, and then throw on 18" wheels for looks is ridiculous. I am not against good looks and not against that being a focus on the standard MCS, but when you go out on the GP, do it right.

What makes the M-series stand out is BMW's all inclusive look at performance. They don't just throw in a big motor like AMG, they really focus on a driving machine. Pure and simple, everything they add has a specific function with the full purpose of increasing driver enjoyment. Additionally they spend a great deal of time with balance. They know they can't just throw in a 600hp motor into the car. They need to work on suspension, brakes, electronics....

The best thing that Mini has going for it is the power vs. weight. That in my mind should continue to be the focus on the GP.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Avitor)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:54:23 GMT

My WAY:

275bhp

Choice of all "S" colors and roof colors

Optional JCW Challenge Graphics

CF Hood, Boot Lid, Quarter Panels, and Sunroof, yes a CF Sunroof

Reduced weight, removable rear seats

JCW Brakes (Red Calipers at all wheels), Suspension, and Spoiler (not the spoiler on the GP)

LSD

DSC with some sort of Launch Control so DSC doesn't kick in from a standing start and ruin your day, better yet add some programming to make your launches better.

Less prominent badging, the "GP" on the GP is just too big.

Bell Helmet, painted to match the car.

Four point harnesses and an optional HANS device

Roll cage that doesn't make the rear seat un usable.

Fire Extinguisher

JCW Gear Indicator, Aux Gauge pod

Driving Lights

ASA JH6 Wheels

MINI USA Sales Up 22% for 2005 (DCJeff)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:46:53 GMT

if you look at October '05 and compare it to October '04, production/sales were actually DOWN 5% compared to a year ago.

Not quite. Ian appears to have entered the total for September in place of the total for October. The actual total for October 2005 is 3,203, which is slightly higher than Oct. 2004's 3,189.

Gabe's headline is a little misleading since the 22% sales increase was not in October, but year to date. October's increase is very small.

MINI United - First Update (Philip)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:47:23 GMT

Great beer? - Vino rosso!

Rob, when are you back in Europe? You should plan a trip to France which is closer to the Nederlands and great for good food.

MINI United In Pictures (ANTSMINI)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:42:50 GMT

Looks like it was a blast!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Saintjames7)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:35:23 GMT

I'm not going in to all the details of what I wanted from this car. Since everyone has pretty much the same thought as I do.

So here is a photoshop of the car, to fix the visual things I didnt like.

P.S. Keep up the gret work Gabe :) [IMG]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/saintjames7/JCWGP4_800v3.jpg[/IMG]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/saintjames7/JCWGP4_800v3.jpg

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Bryn)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:09:20 GMT

This is virtually a run-out model so radical mods just ain't gonna happen. The publicity material says that it's aimed at giving sporty drivers an "atmosphere" of Cooper Challenge that they can experience in a road car. They are nearly there with that - though the devil remains in the detail. So I'm with Fred and Matt on their choice of changes and the reasonable level they're working at. (The balls-out off the shelf racer is a whole 'nother ballgame that may/maynot come at some time in the future: a 2nd generation JCW Plus? If that's what you want, press for it but don't confuse it with the forthcoming GP.)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Hubert)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 06:55:20 GMT

It's probably cheaper to use a 6-cylinder engine from BMW than tweaking the current 1.6, but it's a lot heavier(?) and R&D costs for redesigning the entire engine bay would rule out the idea, at least not for the current generation Mini.

rednwhitecooper, just order the John Cooper Challenge car ;-)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Hubert)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 06:32:47 GMT

To make this version special, there MUST be visual lightweight modifications that aftermarket tuners cannot offer. Let's face it, the major downside about the Mini is weight and it makes the car a LOT less repsonsive and chuckable than the classic Mini.

CF Roof: I think this is now the BMW's performance icon, so do try to add that if possible. Without this, it's no different to all the other fancy paintwork variants.

Wheels: Forget 18" because you can't get any decent tyres for it. Best to stick to lightweight 17", but wider ~8J to fit 215/45/17 or 225/45/17 tyres. Fit flared wheel arches if necessary.

Tyres: A choice of two tyres. Yoko A048 or Toyo R888 for the hardcore and AD07 for street. Fitted with wider sticky tyres, it's much easier for the magazine reviews to give praise about the cornering.

Remove: Option to remove all the DSG, climate control, CD changer, less sound deadening blah blah blah. We only really need one driver air bag.

Seats: Any reclining glass fibre or CF seats out there? As a reference: Reverie carbon fixed-back 3kg; Corbeau fixed-back FX1 9kg; Corbeau reclining A4 microsuede 11.3kg. Use aluminium seat runners.

DO NOT REMOVE THE REAR SEATS. Let the owners do it themselves if they want to.

Doors: Is there much to be saved by using 3-layer glass-fibre door shell, without reducing side impact protection?

ABS: Tweaked so that it doesn't kick in so soon. Pedals adjusted for easier heel and toe.

JCW Brakes are good.

JCW Strut Brace is good.

JC Motorsport exhaust system is good.

LSD a must.

Water-oil cooler is a good idea.

Power: HP sells cars so this one probably needs 240hp. Based on the current JCW kit, just add performance intercooler, a PROPERLY ported cylinder head with standard valves (CNCed?), and maybe fast road cams.

Mapping: The map on every car should be checked on the dyno. No need to be over conservative with the fueling map as before and rather state that the engine only drinks good quality fuel.

Suspenion: JCW sport suspension an absolute minimum to cope with the extra power.

Forget undertray panels. It's good for aerodynamics but most street runners don't appreciate it and adds weight. Bit of a wasted effort.

Bodykit: A fancy rear diffuser maybe?

Interior: Carbon-look trim, with nice little badge on the console/steering wheel.

Other weight saving ideas (realistic or not): Lightweight engine mounts, locking mechanisms, window winders, bonnet, tailgate, interior trim, flywheel, tubular anti-roll bar, LM25 alloy gearbox housing, engine block, wheel hub, fuel tank, nuts and bolts, wiring loom ...

MINI Dragcar Debuts at the Track (w/video) (Tony Marone)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:52:11 GMT

All I can say is WOOOOOOOW!!! That engine can really take some abuse. Even with some technicalities 12.5 from a single cam is very respectable. Can't wait to see it in the tens. I wonder how it would perform with an Ogura Rotary Supercharger mated to that setup. Congrats go to all wizards that made a beleiver out of me.

ALOHA from Hawaii, "MARONE"

The iPod/MINI Connector Reviewed (Jason)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 04:52:08 GMT

I hear an annoying noise (whirring, beepy, weird stuff) between songs and into the first 5-10 seconds of each song. This doesn't seem to happen when the iPod doesn't have to access the hard drive. I'm using a 3G iPod. Could this be the problem? Do new iPods do this also?

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tanya)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 04:34:11 GMT

Gabe - Please tell us that what was unvieled at Mini United was some kind of cruel joke.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (im lookin for trouble with this one)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 04:33:27 GMT

wow. all the diffferent roads to take. in order for me to get my thoughts straight i watched the italian job, played gran turismo4, and listened to U2 (all instead of studying for a midterm tomorrow) i then sat in front of my computer for a while and stared at the csl on my background. then it hit me. the reason that the csl is so great is because it gets the job done without adding a crazy spoiler, or ugly rims, or taking out the backseat. its a race car that you can drive on a daily basis. the only ones who are gonna but the GP are the people who already own a mini, the people who want to get into track racing, or those who have an extra 30K dollars laying around and want to buy a car that might be a collectors car some day. number one thats who i would market it towards. those who have no use for it but to drive it like it was meant to be driven- with a helmet and racing harness.

you would either love or hate the GP that i would put together. i would tie the knot between mini and bmw even tighter. the new 330s inline six. 255hp. theres your performance right there. modify the drivetrain and you could even end up with an xi version. yes i do realize that you would be adding two extra cylinders and 1.4 liters to the current 1.6 liter inline 4. that means that something like this would probably have to wait for the next generation mini (a little bigger). JCW suspension and brakes would be standard, or we could do brembos. that "xi" idea would come in handy for anyone looking to give the scca's rally class a try. it just might turn into the all wheel drive set up we've all been waiting for.

(i dont want to offend anyone by making them think that im talking negatively about JCW. i just feel that by changing that engine to a complete bmw set up it would keep the price a little lower. in addition if JCW ever got their hands on that car you'd be looking at 300hp easy and 0-60 in high 4s. plus a car of this caliber would raise the bar for other euro hatchs like the renult clio and new r32 which is said to have 250 hp. in my eyes the only thing that would hurt would be 1-series sales in europe- and we wont see that car for a while.)

on the inside- nothing but alcantara seats, steering wheel, even on the dash where we saw the JCW leather dash. add/delete A/C , radio, rear seat, roll cage and even the front seat for the weekend (track) warrior. no nav (get a co-driver with a notebook like WRC)

on the outside- basically what a mini looks like now. maybe an aero kit with a larger air dam, flaired arches for wider rims (bbs style, of course), simple vent on the hood (like the first impreza had on the sides) or keep the scoop. racing stripes are a must. as for the colors the CSL's black and grey are too bland for me. maybe the new solar red, a "laguna seca" blue, alpine white (not pepper), BRG.

to deal with the weight, i wouldn't expose the carbon fiber. instead, i'd build the car around a CF shell. similar to the SLR. (i just heard someone's checking account close). if not feasible, just make extensive use of aluminum.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (kev)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 04:00:07 GMT

Price 30 to 35K window sticker

The 18" wheels are stupid unless they are wider. I'd take 16's or 17's to further reduce Wt.

218 hp is not enough. 230 to 250 is need here.

Keep the JWC Susp. and Brakes

Put the rear seats back in the car and reduce the weight with a CF Hood, Aluminum Doors and more alum/magnesium components else where on the car. Use lt. wt carpet, dump the sound dedenign material every where, use lt. wt door panels, loose the anti corriosion crap they spray all over the car (reduce the corrion warranty accordingly). There are plenty of other ways to dump weight other than loosing the rear seats.

The A/C, Radio, Rear wing and DSC should be the only four options on the car.

Cloth Recarro seats with holes for a harness and a kick ass steering wheel should be stanard along with a whole slew of gauges (oil temp, boost, oil pressure, batt. volt, etc...)

Dump the body kit for the JCW body kit (unless there is serious drag benifets).

The Nürburgring Nordschleife (Yuri)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:55:51 GMT

7.16 now ... i found another 6 seconds in the run where I make mistakes ... in the end i'll be running 7'10'' =)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (rednwhitecooper)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:51:13 GMT

also, a quick fill, racing style gas inlet would be nice. no gas door to open, just hop out of the car and slide the filler right into the side of the car.

somehow i doubt we could get that approved for use in the US. :)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (rednwhitecooper)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:48:55 GMT

if you can get me an MCS with no interior panels, one seat, a roll bar, no ac, no radio, no heater, no sound deadaning, no undercoating, and no other little add on crap, i'll take 2!

its too bad we cant still configure cars without unnecesary things like AC, a radio or a heater.....

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Mini)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:39:39 GMT

"There are plenty of people who pay $40,000+ for a Lotus Elise."

I did a search on DuPont Registry for Lotus, and there are 97 Elise for sale. That was a surprising number to me. Perhaps people are not as excited to spend $45-$50+ on such a specific use car.

I guess it is just that the number of 2005 Elise models available surprised me.

Another example is the guy on NAM that is trying to sell his $37k Mini. It is critical that the options selected for this car are seen as valuable to more than just 2 or 3 people.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (GuessWho)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:11:13 GMT

225bhp

2300 lbs

P-R Ratio - 10.22

JCW with Upgrade - 207bhp Add: An actual P&P Cylinder Head (+4) Possible 17% Pulley & Underdrive Pulley Better flowing JCW exhaust system (+4)(single muffler less weight) Performance camshaft(+8)

Weight Reduction: 13-15lb wheels (16-17") at the corners CF Hood CF Front and Rear Bumper CF Boot Lexan Windows Reduce/Elim sound deadening material Light Weight Racing Seats A/C optional Remove DSC Evaluate power steering mechanism weight

MINI USA Sales Up 22% for 2005 (David Bunting)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:46:11 GMT

Interesting: the 22% increase is mostly due to a large increas in production earlier in the year, but if you look at October '05 and compare it to October '04, production/sales were actually DOWN 5% compared to a year ago.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Barry Brazier, Publisher MC2)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:25:38 GMT

Wow, the last 3 days have been quite a whirlwind for Gary and I. As you can see from above, both Gary and I have read your comments.

There's so much to respond to, but I'll keep it brief. Gary and I are "ink on paper" guys. We are fully aware of the Internet, and know that's where you get your news. We'll never try and replace Gabe. It takes just as much time and effort to post as it does print, and I stare at this 19-inch sreen all day thanks!

To those that have posted some great insight into the small niche-market magazine business thanks very much.

Please know that you Charter Subscribers are special to us. Look for us to make contact with some of you for other ideas, and your input on your magazine.

And PS, a close frfiend of mine coined the phrase about dying with the most toys. His name is Bob Barnes. He coined it in the early 1980s at a street rod event. He owns one helluva chrome and plating shop!

We thank you for your trust and support. We'll deliver your first issue in early December. (That's 2005!) Then several more issues before the end of 2006 for just $24.95 in the USA.

The t-shirt you'll be pleased to wear. It's 4-6 colours, on a quality shirt.

Happy Motoring, Barry

Oh and to answer a few more questions:

Yes, we're running a business. However, it's a business born of passion, not simply financial gain. You'll find in our magazine that we will not sacrifice that passion.

We're not R&T, C&D or part of some huge entity like those mag's. We will respond to you the reader and you postings and inpit via e-mails thru our site. Not every one of them, but some of them, as some are being answered by other posts.

About the shirts. We have yet to print them, so keep the orders going as we're watching the progress. Our site generates a sub order e-mail to my desk, so keep 'em coming, and we'll see what develops. We will not be printing the Charter Subscriber t-shirt again!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Allan)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:49:07 GMT

Ok, I just spent a couple of hours photoshopping what MY GP2 would look like.

Please take a second to look at it, I woudn't want my hard work to go to waste. Tell me what you think!

http://img51.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jcwgp23yh.jpg

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Mark)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:41:52 GMT

Different rims, like the silver and black R105's, get rid of that ugly wing, and has everyone seen the BBR turbo mini over in England, if you havent LOOK, 307hp

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Gary Anderson)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:37:54 GMT

It is past exciting to be a part of this launch. I'm skimming through the comments to pull off some of the suggestions, concerns, and comments to fill the first "your words" column and there are a lot of good ideas that we'll be keeping in mind as we put together this first issue and our plans for next year. So keep those cards and letters coming, and in the immortal words of the wine cooler folks, "Thank you for your support." Cheers, Gary

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tsukiji)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:55:27 GMT

chows � just call Randy Webb! ;-)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (alpinamike)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:53:17 GMT

When will someone take the BMW E30 M3 engine Evo, (which is a samll four) and put it into a MINI , this would be the best, plus the BHP would go through the roof. The euro (evo) M3 engine would fit, but i don't know abotu the transmission to fit on this. The engine mounted sideways would be 90% of the room, and if i am not wrong the last year of production they had DOC, along with four direct coils. This would be a great idea for MINI to produce!! Are you out there? -alpinamike

MINI Challenge World Final (ChiliCooperS)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:48:45 GMT

how about an even higher res pic than the high res pic of the first one?? JK... It would be nice though! Where do you get these from Gabe??

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (chows4us)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:47:43 GMT

Lose the:

body kit A/C DSC power windows JCW Brakes JCW Suspenions wing fake brake ducts lame color

Add:

210 WHP Stiff ajdustable rear sway bar H Sport type springs Brembo BBK Bigger TB Better IC Better sounding CAI (ala Alta)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tsukiji)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:35:56 GMT

I'd sell stripped cars through a small network of MINISPEED dealers, who would also sell all of the really good bits, and fit the cars to order.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Matt)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:21:46 GMT

as another person in "line" at my dealer, i echo everything Fred just said.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (bee1000)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:21:07 GMT

I'd like to see a full retro MINI: 15" Panasport wheels. Non-metallic BRG body, non-metallic gray roof. No rear spoiler. Metal fender flares - no plastic trim.

MINI USA Sales Up 22% for 2005 (Ian)

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:18:37 GMT

(sales figures breakdown)

What surprises me is the low number of MINI Cooper sales these last two months - about half the average level for the non-S ...

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Fred)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:18:52 GMT

Gabe, if MINIUSA and BMW/MINI are really "listening" to these points, then here goes.

Color: Like the color and the contrasting roof. Don't paint the front apron the same color as the roof (in Pure Silver as the press releases have stated)

Accents: Can live with the red mirror caps, but suggest the rear brake calipers be red also---if that's the direction they're going to go. Otherwise, make the mirror caps Pure Silver to match the roof

Rear Wing: Can live with the rear wing as currently configured; but there's more appeal to the JCW design---in silver paint or CF

Wheels: Can live with the 4 spoke 18's, but the 5 spoke JCW would be better. A lighter 17" would be best (assuming no current 16" will clear the JCW calipers)Suggest the 5 spoke "Bullets"

Front & Rear Aprons and Wheel Arches: Integrate the aprons with the wheel arches. Either make them all body color, or use the standard Aero Kit configuration, with the arches "flowing through" the aprons and side skirts.
DUMP the Fake brake ducts---or make them functional. DUMP the rear silver "vents" around the grills.

Go to the Aero Kit Grills, or mold the front apron without the middle grill insert.

Dark-Tinted Side/Rear Windows: DUMP DUMP DUMP

Mechanicals: Keep the JCW Engine, Brakes, Suspension, and aluminum rear suspension pieces Keep LSD. Possibly tweek the engine to 225 hp. Throw in the JCW Front Strut bar (OK, it's "bling", but what the heck)

Interior: No back seat...OK Never use it anyway on my 04 coupe

Badging: Move the rear JCW logo to the right, under the MINI Cooper S logo. Leave the "GP" on the left, by itself.

The car is a cool package; it just needs some refinement. I'm sure lots of MINI enthusiasts crave a super- lightweight, killer track car; but it's clear MINI isn't going to make one; so make the best of what they're offering.

I'm in line at the dealer, and I hope MINI and the BMW styling folks are listening to all the comments.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Bryn)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:11:23 GMT

I think we're getting there. Let's hope that someone out there's listening.... I don't want to have to take back my deposit!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (greg)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:52:27 GMT

An Elise? I'll take a MCS/JCW anyday. I've driven this "car" and it sucks in 12 different ways for $50k.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Tony T)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:43:55 GMT

Offer two versions:

WORKS GP RAW - no rear seat, no aircon, etc, tidy up styling, 230bhp

WORKS GP COMFORT - same spec/styling but add rear seat, aircon etc etc.

Not hard to do. Everyone happy

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tanya)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:40:07 GMT

This is complete blasphemy but�� Take a British Racing Green Classic (Rover) Mini with a white roof (John Cooper Racing Colors), gut the interior and drop a 250hp JCW motor into it.

This is the opposite of blasphemy - it's devout worship before the Mini and Cooper shrines. I'm totally with you!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tanya)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:38:07 GMT

Keep it as is - add the only 17% factory warranted pulley available. Totally "doable" & sellable, IMHO.

I think this is only doable with a redesign of the supercharger and waterpump, or a very short warranty period.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Red_Cooper_S)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:25:11 GMT

This is complete blasphemy but�� Take a British Racing Green Classic (Rover) Mini with a white roof (John Cooper Racing Colors), gut the interior and drop a 250hp JCW motor into it.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (mg5904)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:17:45 GMT

Gabe, I don't suppose that this thread was MiniUSA's idea, was it? ;-)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (nervous)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:16:13 GMT

Keep it as is - add the only 17% factory warranted pulley available. Totally "doable" & sellable, IMHO.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (tanya)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:14:52 GMT

I'm not asking for much... but of course was sorely disappointed.

JCW engine tuned to 225hp and 200fp
LSD
JCW brakes and suspension
Uprated rear sway bar
Aluminum bonnet, roof and boot (assuming this is cheaper to build than CF and still saves significant weight)
Lightweight single-silencer exhaust
Lose AC and most sound insulation
Allow it to be spec'ed without any "packages", meaning no HIDs or DSC
Lightweight suspension components
Lightweight wheels (17s are fine, this car is not about bling)
Non-metallic BRG paint option

Give me all this and I won't even complain about the damn runflats!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (mg5904)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:12:41 GMT

-Like othershave said, lighter. Leave the glass the way it is now, along with the body panels but go with a delete option for the rear seat, radio and A/C. Drop the silly 18 inch bling wheels and go with a 16 and/or 17 inch lightweight non-runflat wheel with sticky tires. This car is all about agility and tactile feedback. Think rapier to broadsword.

-Play with the suspension. Put money there and go a little crazy. I want this car to be able to worry an elise driver. Lightweight, aluminum or ti components (springs, sways, shocks etc.) adjustable and balanced. I will leave specifics to those who no more than I. This type of trick suspension and sticky tires should decrease braking distances by a significant factor.

-A bit more power, please. We don't have to go hog crazy with 250 or 300 hp. 230 would be nice, though. Maintain driveability and emissions and play with the gearing and ECU if necessary, but I would like to dip down to the high 5's to 60 with a minimum of torquesteer or tramlining and have great punch at higher speeds (30-50mph).

-The body kit doesn't bother me too much. They could smooth it out a bit and refine it a bit more. Sills and wheel arches are a little out of synch. I like the muted grey-blue color and the red mirrors. Reminds me of the Audi R8 back a couple of years ago.

-Interior should be spartan. Lightweight, cloth seats (may have to kill an airbag or two for this, but this a limited edition GP car. Remopve some sound insulation, but not all. i would like to take this car on longer drives and not feel like I had just installed the cap to my pickup with an impact wrench.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (JAG)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:50:31 GMT

Mmm, spend $40k on this car and see if it is a match for an Elise or buy the Lotus? The answer is very easy, once the rear seat is removed and practicality is out the door. There is no use for this car unless you are really, really a hardcore MINI fan but, if you like to drive, Elise all the way. BTW, I don't think it is a match for the Elise, front wheel drive vs. rwd mid engine at 1984lbs curb weight!!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Bryn)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:49:31 GMT

Still missing the point, guys. The GP could still be saved if you put on your get-real hats and salvage what's missing from the existing 'prototype.' I believe there's little scope beyond things like the colour of the skirts, whether the brake ducting is functional or not.... BMW are not going to suddenly spec carbon fibre roofs and perspex. On the other hand, many of the things that you DO want are already included. It will have limited slip, won't have heavy Xenon lighting, you can delete aircon and DSC, will be a good deal compared to a JCW that you spec off the shelf. And, to recap further, even with the 'extras' that it has, it's 42kgs lighter than a BASE (bare) MCS. Choose to go without aircon and that's a further saving in weight. Bear in mind that a bare bones MCS in Britain (if you could get one)goes off the lot at �15,500 and we're told the GP (with 88lbs less weight and 48 more bhp) will cost c�22K. So BMW are doing a pretty good job for many of us here. Let's help them do an even better one by passing on some constructive comments....

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Gabe)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:23:42 GMT

There are plenty of people who pay $40,000+ for a Lotus Elise. And there are plenty of people paying $35,000 for MCS right now from the dealership (all options, a few JCW goodies, R90's and body kit) put you pretty close to $35,000. Offer an all out club racer for $5,000, I think would be great. Money is a lot less of an issue than many people think. People easily pay premiums for what they want. People were willing to pay $5,000 premiums in California just to get an MCS.

I agree money is not a huge concern up to a certain point. But the car you described (which I think sounds fantastic btw) would clock in at least 50k. And beyond that the spec which you mentioned would only be attractive to the serious weekend racer. All that reduces the potential audience for such a car drastically. Now I'm not saying that's even a bad thing... I just want to inject a little dose of reality here.

And if you still think you could sell 5000, ask BMW how many E36 M3 lightweights they sold in the US with no radio or AC :)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (iDiaz)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:21:10 GMT

Ooh, more!

One option Porsche offers on the 911 GT3 is the Tequipment rollover bar. How about a factory-approved rollover bar? See here for example: http://www.porsche.com/isapi/english/int/accessories/911teq/item.asp?id=410&kat=Sport
While you're perusing the above link, note that they also offer a factory 6-point harness. ;)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (iDiaz)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:17:11 GMT

Oh, and another one:

Instead of opting for a somewhat idealistic wish of a carbon fiber roof, how about a roof shell constructed of aluminum? This is already utilized on the Mitsubishi Evolution MR and RS models, and is a bit more reasonable than the carbon roof of the BMW M3 CSL and M6, even though BMW already has the technology available to grant that wish, should they choose to be that generous.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (dgszweda)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:13:00 GMT

Gabe,

There are plenty of people who pay $40,000+ for a Lotus Elise. And there are plenty of people paying $35,000 for MCS right now from the dealership (all options, a few JCW goodies, R90's and body kit) put you pretty close to $35,000. Offer an all out club racer for $5,000, I think would be great. Money is a lot less of an issue than many people think. People easily pay premiums for what they want. People were willing to pay $5,000 premiums in California just to get an MCS.

I meant to add factory pick up, but I forgot. The option to pick it up at either JCW or Oxford and a one day on a cool British track would be great, like Brands or something along those lines. Euro pickups usually take about $2,500 off the price as well (at least for the BMW side of things).

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (iDiaz)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:12:34 GMT

Wow, where to start? Okay, since the [desired] theme behind this vehicle seems to be the street-legal, lightweight club racer (akin to the GT3 variant of the 911), here are my picks:

18" wheels are ABSURD on a MINI. They don't do anything for the handling, and if anything, only serve to reduce traction by reducing the compliance provided by taller-sidewall rubber. Ditch these, and use 17" wheels at the most, weighing no more than 15 lbs. This alone would likely trim an additional 40 lbs or more from the curb weight, bringing total weight loss to a much more respectable 128 lbs.
Spec the car with aggressive tires, much like the Lotus Elise, Mitsubishi Evolution, and Subaru Impreza STI. Yokohama Advan, Kumho Ecsta V700, and Falken Azenis RT-615 are a few that come to mind.
Change out the factory seats with a proper lightweight shell, shaving an additional 40 lbs or so.
Add additional chassis-stiffening measures, perhaps from the convertible, to allow a stiffer suspension to work properly.
Add monotube dampers (preferably Bilstein, as in the Evo MR and Lotus Elise), adjustable rear control arms (for camber and toe adjustment), thicker adjustable front and rear swaybars, and adjustable front camber plates.
Use thin exterior glass on the rear and rear-side windows, to further reduce weight.
Limited-Slip Differential as standard.
Brake-cooling ducts.
No xenon lighting, as it's heavier than standard lighting.
Intercooler water sprayer button, as in the Subaru Impreza STI.
Although it's already superb, re-calibrate the ABS system to intervene later, allowing more impending lockup.
Re-calibrate the DSC to allow rotation of the vehicle on corner entry, and allow a little more wheelspin before cutting power.

I don't think any of this is unreasonable, considering the prices this car will likely demand.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Kurt)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:03:03 GMT

get 250hp out of the current car
unique color
aero kit w/wheel arches painted body color
keep the numbering on the roof

Wouldn't this be enough to please almost everyone? It would look different from every other MINI, yet keep the price around 30.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Glen Pascoe)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:57:17 GMT

A GP edition doesn't need all of those options (which cost much more than they're worth).

Look at the new RenaultSport Megane and Clio Trophy, these editions are cheaper than their regular joe models simply because all the unnecessary junk, ie," weather pkg. Leather, int/ext.chrome aux gauges, web spokes and driving lamps" is lost from the options list...

Gimme a stripped out MCS with no A/C, Radio/Speakers, Lightweight seats, no rear seats and simplified dashboard with very few buttons and knobs to break. Also perspex windows and no sound deadening pads...

Call it about �14,500 (dunno US rate) and we got a deal of a track car to enjoy...

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Z4MINI)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:54:16 GMT

"If you visit http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81067&page=53 now that car makes me drool. "

I guess "ricey" is in the eye of the beholder, because the cars depicted there are WWAAAAyyyy "ricey". No disrespect intended, just being honest about the way I see things.

I only have two problems with the GP:

Color of the sills doesn't match the wheel arches.
Overall color scheme is bland.

Otherwise, for about $30K, it's probably priced right.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (greg)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:49:56 GMT

All good ideas but to get this done right your looking at $40,000. My '05 was $36k with JCW tuning/suspension/brakes and sport and weather pkg. Leather, int/ext.chrome aux gauges, web spokes and driving lamps. To add 18" wheels and 250hp would get pricey.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Rommel)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:44:11 GMT

An engine with at least enough horsepower to beat a Dodge Neon Srt-4 since the price gap just isn't right. And as light as a mini is, maybe better fuel economy than a Honda Civic Coupe or at least as fast as a Honda Civic Si.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Aaron)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:33:57 GMT

I like the club car idea, but keep it a bit simpler...

MCS + JCW Engine, Brakes and LSD
AC Delete
Radio delete (or very minimum, AM/FM/2 speaker setup - Light!)
Removable roll hoop (with an eye on racing)
Removable rear seat with cover trim (so you can add or remove seat and not look like an unfinished car)
Delete of sound insulation
Lightweight wheels (18s) with sticky rubber
Dress it up a bit, but don't blow a fortune on it... maybe a few dress CF parts or a more agressive spoiler and ground effects.
Keep it to one color to reduce costs on a limited production run.
Keep the cost at or under $32K

MINI USA Sales Up 22% for 2005 (Greg W)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:32:50 GMT

If USA is getting more cars then some countries are getting less. The sales success of MINI in USA is exemplary. Not since the Beatles hit town has a british icon performed so well.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Bryn)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:18:37 GMT

I believe we've moved into the realm of wishlists here. The starting point is not a blank sheet of paper but the GP model as specced by MINI and revealed at Misano. The maker is not going to ditch all its development investment at this stage nor abandon its target market, but it's to be hoped that they may take on board some reasonable suggestions to accommodate a consensus from prospective buyers -- in which case the opportunity should be seized to present viable alternatives to the features offered.....

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Steve)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:15:03 GMT

I have a deposite at my dealer and am currently #1 on their list. At this time I am undecided until the full specs. are out. What i was hoping for was the ultimate street cooper "S" JCW plus. I agree with most that the car as it stands now looks like a mis mash of parts thrown together with a ricey look. If you visit http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81067&page=53 now that car makes me drool. If they are looking for an easier solution I would love to see them ditch that ricey spoiler and come up with somthing better. Also the wheels do not fit my style but i could change that. I would also like to see the insulation remain as i would use this as a daily driver. One of the things i was hoping for was more horsepower to weight ratio. At the very least I think they should inspect all motors to be sure they are putting out good horsepower. We all know there are some strong motors out there and some not so strong. I am willing to be a little flexable on some of the things on this car but for now i think they could have done so much better.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (matt)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:10:03 GMT

okay, target $35k?

we're starting with the GP and working from there.

assuming the body modifications, including the skirts, wing and brake ducts, are functional. i say leave them as is, paint them differently if you like, but that's an asthetic consideration.

the wheels? leave them as well. sure they're hideous, but if adding a spoke makes them heavier leave it at 4 and learn to accept what you can't change.

thin out the glass if possible within our cost constraints.

CF parts where applicable, roof, side pannels, hatch. if the hood could be constructed out of CF and maintain the cars front end impact performance.

we're probably pushing the 35 barrier now, but nevertheless i'll continue.

hand pick and map the JCW engines as mentioned before.

figure out a clever way to get the lighter sport seats to the US.

that's it. within reason i don't know how much more you could do without loosing buyers or pricing yourself out of the market all together

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (gokartride)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:52:00 GMT

Graham, almost everything we know about the birth of MINI comes from your fine, and oft-quoted book on the car. You're quite a celeb around these parts!!!

I'd have thought the original hype surrounding the new MINI would have lessened by now, but all this good stuff going on in motorsports keeps things at a fever pitch. Good luck keeping up!!!

Actually, given the challenges faced by GoMINI, perhaps it's more sustainable if the print/web enterprises worked in harmony somehow.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (gokartride)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:38:50 GMT

I'm still happy w/ my Cooper!!!

MINI Challenge World Final (gokartride)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:34:37 GMT

Agreed....Alex in a MINI = awesome!!!! I'd love to learn more about the adaptations made. Apparently they were effective at a fairly competitive level.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (RB)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:29:40 GMT

I do like the wheels GB designed above.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Philip)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:23:33 GMT

Base MCS (pick any color combo you like) - LSD - DSC (Track Day always off option) - KW 2 suspension, H&R sway bars front and rear - a better brake: ATE, Brembo, movit or AP - Braided Brake Hoses and racing blue - Brake Duct / Throat Kit - lighter wheels, e.g. Team Dynamics Pro Race (link) - JCW Kit - interior reduced to the max (two seater) - additional gauges, e.g. oil temperature, oil pressure, intake boost and a good lap timer - short shift kit with a longer shift stick (pic) - Recaro Pole Position Seats or similar - Schroth harness - Wiechers Clubsport roll bar (figure)

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (CPatisaul)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:20:11 GMT

1544

I sure hope they honor the quote above:

For Charter Subscribers (those with paid sub�s before we mail the debut issue), we�re designing and printing a limited edition of a few thousand MC� t-shirts.

Where everyone subscribing before the first issue is mailed gets a shirt.

Honestly I would've waited to subscribe if it wasn't for the T-Shirt offer and I had no indication they were already past order number 1500 before I paid...

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (adam)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:18:08 GMT

Well...the JCW GP Works kit would be fine by me if they would sell more than five of them in the USA.

MINI United - First Update (RB)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:13:39 GMT

OPPS........forgot about the $ to Euro......UGH!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (RB)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:11:49 GMT

GB.........I think your wrong.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Siddhartha)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:53:57 GMT

I vote for no changes to the GP. Keep it heavy and ugly and "special". That way, my '05 JCW is still King of the Hill.

BUT, if JCW wanted to make a limited edition play car for track and autocross, that was marginally street legal, they already know how. Just start with the JCW engine kit, suspension and brakes, then:

Lower weight by 300 lbs by trimming ALL the creature comfort fat: AC, sound, insulation, upholstery, rear seats, carpet, headliner, HID lights. 2.Replace speedo with digital data retrieval computer, replace dash with lighter piece, replace hood and fenders with carbon fiber
Offer 12 lb alloy wheels and sticky tires like Yokohama 048s or Hoosiers
Add a roll cage, fire extinguisher system, light and fully supportive race seats like Sparco or Recaro with 5 or 6 point harness for driver and passenger.
Add brake cooling ducts to a lower front airdam redesigned for downforce, racing brake pads, stainless steel brake lines, drilled and grooved rotors and high temperature brake fluid.
Add adjustable rear sway bar and adjustable camber plates front and rear.
Move that %$#^&& interior mirror and make it smaller so the driver can see the line on uphill right turns without acrobatics.
Redesign the wing for downforce above 90 mph.
Install easily removed light plastic completely smooth undercarriage cover to manage airflow beneath the car.
Bump the horsepower to 250.

Price it competitively with the Lotus Elise at $40,000 and I'll take on that bad boy rice burner any day.

On another note: Of course no changes are necessary for the MINI to dominate SCCA G Stock Mens and Ladies and H Stock Mens and Ladies autocross. They already do that. So congratulations are in order to MINI and a bunch of talented drivers!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (fdavid)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:34:30 GMT

...can do much better. But picking up the car at the factory and giving a good test around their track would be a plus!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (fdavid)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:33:50 GMT

DGSZWEDA has come up with a dream set. Can imagine something nicer than a true GP. I would buy it...and the wholy pick up at the JCW factory sounds liek an added bonus! (not a JCW lover as I think they

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Gabe)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:32:23 GMT

I think there would be a market for a good club racer not this wanna be.

Of course there is a market for a car like that. And it's about 50 people.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Bryn)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:28:43 GMT

I've said it before and I'll say it again: ditch the tints (stamps foot) before I can think of improvements...

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (RB)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:25:16 GMT

Gabe, what is the point of what they are offering? It's not really a GP car but with no back seat or sound deadening who will really want this stripped down doesn't know what it wants to be thing?

I think there would be a market for a good club racer not this wanna be. IMHO DGSZWEDA is right on.

MINI United - First Update (RB)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:19:30 GMT

6 week vacations, health care for most all, great beer, reasonable speed limits..........I'm moving!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Gabe)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:17:20 GMT

dgszweda - as much as admire you're spec.. I think you'd have a tough time finding 50 people interested in a car like that at the price it would likely cost (most likely higher than 40k). Granted 40 of those people will probably now respond to my comment calling me crazy :)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (RB)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:11:35 GMT

DGSZWEDA........

Except for your comment on keeping the paint scheme you are right on.

Now there is a guy who is thinking like how BMW should be!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (RB)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:06:58 GMT

Either make the car a full on GP car or just add bold new graphics to an MCS and badge it like the uninspiring MC40.

The grey colours gotta go..........it's BORING, the only thing that saved the paint scheme was the red mirrors.

Why doesn't BMW look at some of their race cars and take some clues let's say from the 1975 3.0 CSL Calder paint scheme or any of their Art Cars.

That's my 2 bits.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Steve)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:51:49 GMT

Cost is the enemy here. While I was underwhelmed by the GP on paper, I realize MINI has to watch the bottom line. So, with that in mind...

I like the idea of minimizing some of the "customability". Delete the A/C and Radio from the current GP-spec.

Handtweak each chip, and include dyno chart from the actual car. Maybe even make it so that only a few of the "strongest" motors make it to GP level, the rest are designated for "standard" MCS duty. Really set the GP apart as a hand-picked series.

Install a (removable?) cage, rear swaybar and seat harnesses as well.

Best of all would be to offer these for pickup delivery at JCW factory!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (dgszweda)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:50:18 GMT

I would market it as a club racer type of car. Similiar to how BMW has marketed the M3 CSL. I would not focus as tightly on price, and I would give more priority to the racer aspects than the comfort. I would limit it to 5,000 cars worldwide. Mini focused to much on compromises.

I would put the JCW kit on, but try to push for 230bhp-250bhp. I would accomplish this, by performing more extensive head work, a more agressive cam, possibly a 17% pulley, change out the header, and a little more work on the exhaust.

I would replace normal body panels with CF where reasonable. Thin the glass, and possibly a CF bonded roof, like the M6. I would remove the rear seats, sound deadening, lower weight through lighter sway bars, and other suspension bits. Put on all the other JCW goodies (cf pieces, cf dash, suspension, brakes...). I would remove the rear washer like they did. Put on current body kit, with JCW spoiler. Keep the underside tray that they did. Put JCW brake ducts on the front. And put an intercooler sprayer on (fun to play with).

I would also allow an ECU switch to switch between octanes, so that race fuel could be used and further optimize the performance.

I would keep options minimal. Possiblility to remove A/C, no radio, no electric windows, no cruise control, an enhanced DSC built for track conditions, limit the color options, Recaro seats, with shoulder belts, short shift kit, lighter weight 17" wheels (i.e. 15lbs) and performance (non-runflat tires).

I would push for 200lb weight reduction. I would push for keeping it at $39,900. I think they would still sell quite well.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (DuKe)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:50:01 GMT

m3 engine and more power :)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Coopernicus)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:48:28 GMT

Gabe - you are better at exterior styling then BMW is (currently) !!! Your 'adjusted' pic above looks so much more integrated then the official version.

Also, make the rear hatch spoiler an OPTION, with the alternative being the normal JCW rear spoiler or something like it. That would make choosing such a 'polarizing' styling element totally up to the buyer. It could even be a dealer-installed option to avoid slowing the ordering process down.

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (minicoopermike)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:21:37 GMT

Price: $30,000

Colors: Same scheme, but maybe add other colors as options like black or red

Weight: Same, but feature the Delete Option for A/C, DSC, as well as Radio/CD. Change fenders to CF.

Body Kit: Same, but change side skirts, blend with arches

Wheels: Change to JCW 18" 5-spokes or new design....or change to 17"

Seats: Ditch the side airbags and standard sport seats in favor of Sparcos or Recaro or any other highly bolstered seats

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (alpha-6)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:18:47 GMT

17% pulley, CAI, Forge Intercooler, MTH, sway bar, exhaust, lighter wheels and rear seat delete....and still leaving you with more money in your pocket than going GP. =)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (david)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:17:17 GMT

start with a GP2, add BBS-CSL style forgred or mag 18", pilot cups or some other racy rubber, leave on jcw brakes and suspension, more aluminium in susp arms, finish the wheel arches onto the side skirts, recaros, carbon interior peices, Dsc control on the alcan steeering wheel, Carbon or aluminium roof. 35k. not very creative i guess, but if it's already done other cars, why not my mcscsljcw :)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Yegor)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:16:11 GMT

OK!

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Yegor)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:15:06 GMT

The image above is not the same as others shown. Look at the mirors, side skirts, roof & the carbon fiber panel. Where it comes from?

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (Gabe)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:11:09 GMT

The above photo is my take on the JCW GP. CF front fenders, mirrors, roof, different 18" wheels and a tweaked body kit. Otherwise I'd probably keep the same mechnicals.

Then I'd tell my suppliers to dig deep so I could offer it at �23k / $34k :)

The JCW GP Kit - Your Way (JFS)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:05:20 GMT

Stock MCS: - Only options: Cloth Seats, Sport Pack & LSD - Install 17% Reduction pulley - Install CAI - Install Rear Sway bar

JCW GP: - Would not pay over $30K for it - I'd replace the CR mirror caps for either chrome or body colored ones.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Graham Robson)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:53:54 GMT

Having delivered my first UK-based material for the launch issue of the new magazine, I was amazed to see just how quickly the Subscriber base is building up.

When Editor Gary Anderson invited me to contribute, I was flattered - and I want to do my best for all of you. There's such a lot going on at the British end of this enterprise that I don't think we will ever lack things to talk about.

Did You Know That ? corner : The MINI is manufactured in a much-modernised factory at Cowley, near Oxford. Originally that factory was owned by Pressed Steel Co., providing body shells for cars as various as Mini, and Rolls-Royce ! Did You Know That ?

MINI USA Sales Up 22% for 2005 (MINI VANILLI)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:23:46 GMT

my thoughts too. where are they getting all these extra cars from without increased production????

MINI USA Sales Up 22% for 2005 (Aaron)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:13:58 GMT

If sales are up 22%, does that mean that production is up 22% as well? I don't know about you guys, but I haven't seen any indications of excess production capacity at any time in the MINI's lifecycle.

Where are these additional sales coming from, unless they are just extending lead times on orders and booking future sales?

The CVT Revisited - A Full Review (ska)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:58:19 GMT

I got a 2006 Cooper S with CVT in Oct 2005. Still getting used to the CVT. It is getting better as it "learns" my heavy footedness. There is the occassional "lurching" at speeds below 25 mph, but that is, IMHO, because I took it down a "non-conventional" gear shift pattern. Blast to drive nonetheless, I like it better (I am lazy) than the paddle shift mode which is only marginally more responsive than the CVT. Have already driven with a passenger load of 5 people and another one with my two 80 lbs + dogs. Have Goodyear Eagle RS-A 17" s-lites on the car -- they're okay. But am preparing for our North Eastern winter by getting 4 Dunlop M3 DSSTs which I've heard good things about. We'll see.

Cheers!

MINI USA Sales Up 22% for 2005 (c ct1)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:46:14 GMT

It's amazing what gas prices can do....

MINI USA Sales Up 22% for 2005 (GMINI)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:32:19 GMT

and Car Talk declared these cars bad in snow. Sales must have been exclusively in the South....http://www.nemini.org/Forums/viewtopic/t=3310.html

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Gabe)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:07:15 GMT

isellem: Those are all fair points, but I'm tempted to respond: why did they bother, than? If you can't do it properly, don't do it at all.

An argument like that boggles my mind.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Eelke)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:45:15 GMT

isellem: Those are all fair points, but I'm tempted to respond: why did they bother, than? If you can't do it properly, don't do it at all.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (tommyb)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:28:31 GMT

I just subscribed and I'm number 1501, I hope I haven't missed out on all of the freebies and they have some pitty on a poor soul that was just a little too late to the dance.

tommyb

MINI United In Pictures (Philip)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 12:44:49 GMT

The server is back online. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Philip

MINI Challenge Launched in Germany (Piet Pretorius)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:56:30 GMT

What is the results of the recent race in Germany? How did our Martin Steyn go ?

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Larry)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:53:39 GMT

I'M 1122. I called GoMini mag this morning and they will give a refund on the unused part of your subscription or credit it towards mini magazine, just give them a call

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Humourless)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:18:13 GMT

It strikes me that the way for magazines of this sort to carve out a niche is to not be a MINI news oriented operation. News is best handled by an internet site, for the reasons previously stated. What's harder to do - but ultimately more rewarding - is to forget about ephemera and focus on meatier topics. Background stories, profiles on people instrumental in design, engineering, modifying or marketing the MINI, historical articles, technical discussions, round ups and reviews of aftermarket items, etc.

MINI United In Pictures (Philip)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:45:18 GMT

Sorry guys, I think the traffic crashed my web server. I can only check later, so please be patient.

Cheers Philip

MINI United In Pictures (Gary.)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 04:14:09 GMT

Photo log from MINI UNITED: Genius.

Thank you, Philip.

Your images are brilliant. On track and off, you pump new adrenaline (or petrol?) into the Mini/MINI mystique, legend, and phenomenon. Great spirit here.

Thanks for sharing. Keep on enjoying.

BTW, the GP strikes some very special poses for your lense. You reveal it to be quite unique and worth a deeper look or two.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Jack Wolfe)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 04:14:02 GMT

1324

Do I get a shirt

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (MudBud)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 04:03:21 GMT

1465 for me

MotoringFile MCS Automatic Review (Jace)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:57:31 GMT

I agree- CVTs are becoming the way of the future. Although I can see why some purists prefer the fun of a manual. It'd be interesting if the cost of installing manual transmission + clutch ended up becoming an OPTION!

White Roof Radio Podcast #19 (The Republic of Texas)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:55:25 GMT

Why does the one guy have to be hatin' on Houston? I didn't see any Cali teams in the World Series....

The CVT Paddle Shifter Review (Jace)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:53:31 GMT

I know this is a bit slow now... but as for the unnatural feeling of pulling towards you to shift up and pushing away to shift down; the "video game generation" (ie. me) feel it's natural because that's how many arcade games such as Initial D work.

I think the worst tiptronic layout was in the Mercedes Benz (2002 C Class?) whereby you shifted left-right to go -/+ gears. Mind you I never drove it but I rode in the car whilst my Mum test drove it- in case anyone wondered, we didn't buy it because there was a 3mth waiting list and she ended up with an X-type.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (ScottinBend)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:06:04 GMT

1417

cool stuff ! !

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (minihaha)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:13:16 GMT

Good Luck MC2. I have just signed on (1393). Lot's of banter about the pro's and con's of internet v paper publications. There is something to sitting down and relaxing with a magazine that interests you. GOMINI made the mistake of going monthly and didn't have the goods to deliver. MC2 will also incorporate some original mini stuff which will appeal to many. I would like to bet there are lots of two mini families out there, one original one BMW. Give these guys all the support you can!

MINI United In Pictures (R50)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:10:11 GMT

Looks like a great party. Any idea how many folks attended?

The Nürburgring Nordschleife (Yuri)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:54:13 GMT

I can run 7:19:123 on the Nurb in a Mini S (250HP) R-tires.

GT4

MINI United In Pictures (RB)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:37:30 GMT

Thanks Philip.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (shooler)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:17:21 GMT

1397...

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (GMINI)

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:09:12 GMT

Paul mullet:

"This car is simply a mock up of what will be (or roughly what will be) the new car. ... The REAL MINI Cooper S with JCW GP Tuning kit will be shown first to the press and public at next years Geneva auto show. Only THEN can we truly shape an opinion of the exterior and interior treatment, and only some time after then will we be able to get a driving perspective on what all this means."

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (GMINI)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:59:02 GMT

And they probably will at production.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (GMINI)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:58:22 GMT

i am vry disheartened that those ducts are fake. I'm sure they can be throated, though.

MINI United - First Update (Berthil)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:18:08 GMT

Well, here's one pic. The Dutch you met on the Gotthart freeway with my MCS in front, here on top of the Gotthart.

MINI United In Pictures (ChrisW)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:16:15 GMT

Lucky dog...

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Kennedy)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:06:37 GMT

Risky if everybody asks the same question and no one signs up. :)

1209

Man, I love the online resources, but sometimes you just want some old fashioned paper copy... even if it's old news. Good luck MC2!

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (groland)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:03:22 GMT

How risky is a two-year subscription?

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (dickdavid)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:59:12 GMT

1335

Second time's a charm.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Osmodious)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:48:34 GMT

It's a heck of a lot easier to bring a magazine into the bathroom than a laptop (if you even own one)...less chance of costly damage as well.

Oh, and sometimes it's nice to see pictures all high-res and glossy, you know? And if there are tech articles, the pictures are much better than anything I can print from the internet myself...

Oh, and I'm 1313...don't know if that's good luck or bad luck, but that's how it went.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (eto)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:44:13 GMT

1367

It is interesting to see the subscription count increment through the day. :D

MINI United In Pictures (Adam)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:28:52 GMT

Awesome pictures!! Thanks for sharing - what a great time you must have had..

MINI United In Pictures (alpinamike)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:21:33 GMT

"WE WANT MORE PICS" is the chant all over motoring file, and can be heard all over the US as many of us did not get our pics in time to win the trip. -alpinamike

PS. I want those GP Rims!!

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (minicoopermike)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:06:28 GMT

Looking at the pics, it would be cool if it had more RED accents such as the GP on the hood and the numbering on the roof

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Ian C.)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:19:07 GMT

[quote]I heard the same BS about brick and Mortar business' 10 years back, "They'll all be gone because it's so easy to buy stuff online" ...[/quote] During my degree studying, back in 1982, I was told that software development would soon be obsolete with all the new auto-programming tools available ;)

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (geno)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:16:01 GMT

1343

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (GMINI)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:12:48 GMT

1345

I love t-shirts!

Nothing beats print!

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (jdmarino)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:04:55 GMT

I'm # 1114

Given that we're a small, focused, readership, I don't find the price high at all. $25 is almost worth it for the shirt alone.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Nathaniel Salzman)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:48:16 GMT

Ron in NJ,

I agree with you that magazines are in a much tougher spot than 10 years ago. And yes, much of that has to do with people looking to the internet as a major source of information and entertainment, and I still dissagree with you on the distribution issue.

Point 1) DISTRIBUTION cost on the internet is zero. I didn't talk about hosting and staffing by an internet content provider. But, it would almost always (notice almost) be a lot less than the staffing required for a quality montly magazine. But the cost of getting info to me is zero.

I understand what you're saying. That is precisely what I am disagreeing with you on. Hosting a website, serving it to browser client requests via the internet IS distribution. I'll concede that it's cheaper by far than printing and trucking 40 pages of perfect-bound glossy magazine across the country, but it isn't free. Even if a site's hosting is outsourced to an ISP, it's still an appreciable expense if you're dealing with a site of any size at all. All I am getting at in my first post is that people often underestimate how much work and expense it takes to consistantly deliver quality web content on a large scale. Producing a magazine-quality website on any subject is a far cry from updating your posts on mySpace or Blogger. It's cheaper than printing a magazine, no doubt about that, but the amount of work it takes to produce all the content is as much or more, and the expense of developing that content is as much or more. The editorial staff still has to send reporters and photographers or videographers out to get stories. Those stories have to be written, edited, photographs sorted, cropped, optimized, video clips edited and optimized, and content formatted to go live on the site. It's as much or more work than prepping to print a magazine on paper.

It's a tough world out there and I'll repeat....they're going to have a very hard time competing in today's 'high-tech' marketplace.

No doubt. A magazine wouldn't be my first choice of business to open right now - online or in print. I definately agree with you there.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Oz-i)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:05:16 GMT

Having seen the car "in the flesh" in Misano this weekend, I can only agree with JAG. At that is in line with my comments put in the notebook available with the car in Misano.

Very disappointing. They claim to have specially designed the alloys, but I have the feeling having seen these before. Does anyone share that feeling?

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (CarNut)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:59:24 GMT

I'm in - #1217

I also get a lot of information on the web, but there are times having a print magazine is more convenient. $24.95 is little enough to pay to give MC2 a chance at success. If they succeed, my investment will have been part of what allowed them to do so. If not, I don't have to renew in a year. I've spent a lot more then $25 on MINI parts that didn't perform as advertised and got tossed after a short time.

Good luck to MC2. I hope they thrive.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (carcounsel.com)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:50:21 GMT

Road & Track? For inspiration? Eep! : )

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (brian)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:48:12 GMT

I thought the Checkmate seats were a blue/grey color combo?

The Shark Fin Comes to an End (mini T)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:22:25 GMT

I have changed alta antenna (4"). When I entered a car wash last night, the dryer hit the antenna and broke the antenna based..... wooo wooo.

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit First Photos (RHT3)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:19:22 GMT

I think it's a great look overall. The fact is, the original styling is so solid a design that departures from it offend everyone a little. But. . . I like this departure!

Personal preference.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (matt)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:16:54 GMT

i'm in.

re: site vs. print. i take the train every day to work, and unless you have one heck of a wireless service provider for your notebook, a paper mag's really the only way to go.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Josh Wardell)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:16:47 GMT

The fact is no one likes to read long articles on the internet. Short blog posts are much better suited. And nothing beats print and photo on paper.

I thinkwinding road is extremely well written and well designed, and could really give the big names a run for their money. But, I never read it. I never bother to log into yet another web site, then sit there are read a PDF. I'd rather pay for a print edition.

Any specialized magazine will be more expensive then a gerenal one, you cannot secure the $100,000 advertisers, so $25 is not very much to ask at all.

I've subscribed #1295 and look forward to reading the first issue and seeing how their coverage is of MinisOnTop. I would even love to contribute content in the future.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Zeke Wright)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:12:54 GMT

I hope they mean 2005!?

Looking on the advertising information, it seems like they are going to try to put out four issues a year - Winter '05, Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter '06.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Fred)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:08:37 GMT

Paul over at mini2.com had provided additional information on the JCW GP from firsthand views and talks with the Project's manager. You can read his report at http://www.mini2.com/index.php?page=newsitem&newsid=326

In continuing posts on the subject, he says that the brake ducts in front are fake---for style only :-(

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Zeke Wright)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:06:46 GMT

I wish we knew what the shirt's like. I would definitely get a subscription if it's a banging shirt. =]

Eh, Screw it. Order #1298

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (minicoopermike)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:00:52 GMT

There were 1000 MC40s so this car will be more than twice as rare.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (drew)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:46:22 GMT

1223 here - good luck mc2!

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (dgszweda)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:37:06 GMT

According to MiniUSA there are 81 dealerships in the US (50 states) and Puerto Rico. With 5 each that means there will be 405 going to the US. 400 more will be going to the UK. That accounts for 805 of them. The other 1195 will go to the other countries of sale. Can you image 400 of these in the UK. They will be somewhat more common to see than the US.

How many MC40's were there? I rarely see one of those, so the GP will be really rare to see in the US.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Ron in NJ)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:32:28 GMT

I expected my posting to be miss-stated and it didn't take long.

Point 2) I don't consider my comments to be _ __ as stated by RB. I didn't say that magazines would be gone - only that "they're going to have a very hard time competing in today's 'high-tech' marketplace."

Perhaps the poster should read the current ad revenue figures for magazines and the revenue trend line.

It's a tough world out there and I'll repeat....they're going to have a very hard time competing in today's 'high-tech' marketplace.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (dgszweda)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:29:48 GMT

I wish the magazine luck and I will subscribe hoping that it takes off, but I am not highly confident that it will make it (yeah call me a pessimist, sorry).

What is the subscriptions that they need to break even? That might be interesting. I don't think 5,000 to 10,000 subscribers is enough. 10,000 would almost be 20% of the new Mini community which is quite high I would think.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (James)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:21:03 GMT

I wonder why they started numbering at 1000, but that must be the case. Which means I was #22. I subscribed late last night when I got the email from Barry. I wasn't asked my shirt size, so I assume I'll get something later asking for it.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (COOPR SS)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:03:40 GMT

1166

Official Images of the MINI Concept Wagon (Lisa)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:55:07 GMT

this car is actually really ugly i've always liked minicoopers and ya'll screwed this one up

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (RB)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:32:22 GMT

I heard the same BS about brick and Mortar business' 10 years back, "They'll all be gone because it's so easy to buy stuff online", yeah right! They [brick and mortar] seem to be doing just fine 10 years later.

If all you do is sit in front of your computer or laptop all day then I guess that works for some but I have a life and like having a magazine I can read where ever I want, pool, train, in a nice easy chair without having to lug this contraption around. Don't get me wrong I love my Mac but having to archive magazines is that last thing I need to waste my time doing. Also I love the internet for the ease of use and the amazing info I have at my fingertips but archiving magazines......IDTS.

I have all my Communication Arts magazines starting in, I think, 1978. I can't even imagine archiving all that info, I'll leave that to them.

But whatever floats your boat!!!

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (phaedrus)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:27:44 GMT

↑ Yeah, what he said. :) (I'm #1139)

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Steve)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:27:05 GMT

For those of you complaining about the price, consider this. MT, R&T, Automobile, and C&D have all been around for a long time. They have hundreds of thousand subscribers, plus they have a huge advertising base. So $10-$12 /year is profitable.

A new magazine has no readership, little to no advertisers up front, and in this case a very focused customer base, not just car nuts in general. Therefore, there is a certain amount of cost that needs to be fronted by the readership.

Just my $.02

Steve

BTW #1229 :)

MINI Challenge World Final (Glen Pascoe)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:27:02 GMT

Having worked for BMW in oxford and been involved in the John Cooper Challenege in the UK for the last two seasons, i was very disappointed to see our british drivers doing so badly.

well done to AZ. my friend in the guest race said he was cacking himself when he was passed by him. i'm not surprised, the man is a true legend!

Glen

roll on 2006 world final???

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (dickdavid)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:21:08 GMT

I didn't get a number when I subscribed. I hope I didn't screw it up.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Mini)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:18:26 GMT

Motor Trend = $10/12 issues Road & Track = $12/12 issues Car & Driver = $12/ 12 issues Automobile Mag = $12/12 issues Winding Road = FREE MotoringFile = FREE ......................... MC2 = $24.95/6 issues.....

Ouch!!!

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Nathaniel Salzman)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:14:36 GMT

The internet offers no cost distibution, constant update, immediate response, video, links, and more.

This statement is only partly true. The internet is hardly as simple (or cheap) as many may think it is. Real, reliable web hosting is not free, especially at the bandwidth necessary for a commercial site of any size. The "constant update" you mention is true, but it doesn't happen without constant editorial staff attention. Producing a magazine's volume of content for the web involves every bit as much work as its printed equivalent - if not more as you're expected to have new and interesting content daily as opposed to monthly. Content preparation for print, though every bit as extensive, is less technical, especially when it comes to rich content such as flash and video. It [the prep for print] can also be less expensive - what you have to pay a creative professional for page layout is much less than what you have to pay for flash development or video editing. And yes, the response can be immediate, from form return to forums and blogs. But those modules don't magically appear or maintain or moderate themselves. There are databases that have to be set up and server-side includes that have to be written and the never-ending security issues that must be kept in consideration.

Though it's had to adjust, the printed magazine is hardly dead. There are still millions of advertising dollars landing on every other page. You can't beat it for portability and the printed word has a far higher degree of readability (the ease at which a reader can read for an extended period of time without eye fatigue) than any computer screen. This is why eBooks on PDA's are not going to shut down Barnes & Noble any time soon. In terms of editorial, the internet is great for quick bursts of very current information, but for most people, they don't curl up with their laptop in bed before they go to sleep in order to widen their reading.

I wish them well - I'd love to roll into B&N and have something MINI to read. But don't misunderstand this magazine as anything short of a business. We might like to think that these folks are doing a MINI magazine out of the goodness of their hearts, but it's a capitol venture. They're out to sell subscriptions and advertising dollars. In fact they say so in the very first line of the interview.

My decision came after my late 2004 research into the potential for a MINI Cooper magazine as a business venture.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with this. More power to them and I look forward to reading it. All I'm getting at is that yes, if their sole purpose were to distribute MINI information, they'd do well to plop up a site and link over to MotoringFile, MINI2, and NAM and make whatever contribution they can. But that isn't the focus of a magazine... and there's nothing wrong with that. MC2 will be a place in print where MINI enthusiasts (or "hobbyists" as they so annoyingly call us) can keep current in the MINI/mini world - and in so doing, create an avenue for marketing to that group.

As I said, more power to them, I look forward to reading it.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (greg)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:05:07 GMT

I'm 1216. I though GO Mini was toast? I shelled out $9.99 for a new issue yesterday.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (JAG)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:04:09 GMT

I do not see the "special" in this "Special Edition". Different as in ugly, yes, very dissapointing. If it were a Renault 5 Turbo I can understand the removal of the back seat (that is where the engine was, sweet) but just to make it lighter, nah. Thank G-d is a Limited Edition because it iwill be hard to find more than 2,000 -blank- worldwide.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (danielg)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:51:31 GMT

I'm #1205

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Yegor)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:49:15 GMT

I just subscribed: #1185.

I think it'll be a great idea if they create a service for their subscribers and provide PDF version of the magazine using MC2 website (for onscreen viewing only or low resolution printing). I have a subscription to InDesign Magazine. They email a password every time a new issue comes out. I log on, download, and store them on my iPod or Mac.

Very few of us keep magazines for more than 1 year, but having PDFs we can create very convenient and useful electronic archive and keep it for years. Generating a PDF from InDesign or Quark is a matter of couple minutes. MC2 can provide online subscription only for half price.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (minicoopermike)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:47:51 GMT

Yeah, there are close to 80 dealers in the U.S.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (danielg)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:39:54 GMT

he first four issues will be in the mail by the end of 2006.

I hope they mean 2005!?

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (isellem)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:18:40 GMT

their are more than 53 dealers... i think their are 80-83 dealers...

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (isellem)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:15:32 GMT

remember guys... this car has to beable to meet US and Euro crash tests... adding a carbon hood((somewhat expensive when compaired to steel stamp manufacturing) would mean that they would have to retest the cars... ohh yeah.. aluminium doors... way expensive plus) again the would have to redo side impact crash tests!

Its not always the cost of the individual cost of the part or the mod... its everything that goes with it... MINI would probably end up crashing somewhere near 20 cars if all crash tests went perfectly the first time around. That cost of 20 cars would then have to be dispursed among the limited number of cars made...

Seriously guys... think about it... you complain about the price now... if it had all of that other stuff... forget about it... the thing would be like 40g... so its either offer a car thats 88lbs lighter... for less or sell a car thats a total weight savings of 100-150 lbs but would cost deep into the 40's... just my $.02

also roll cages do way a significant amount when dealing with racing. however their importance (no pun intended) out wieghs the actuall weight.

Also, miniusa drag car does use a fuel cell

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (richyb)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:10:19 GMT

to me a second hand ford sportka is a better option being much lighter. costing about 8k you'd have 14k to supercharge or turbo boost the beast :P

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (richyb)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:03:40 GMT

40kgs isnt a proper weight loss more must be possible and its over priced like a typical beemer. for that price i could buy second hand evo6 and have enuff left for turbo upgrade, deafening stereo and chunky alloys .

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Paul)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:58:46 GMT

I loved the quality and look of Go Mini but in the end I was tired of reading about one more tricked out MINI; after a while all the articles seemed the same, only the pictures were different.

I hope MC2 is able to overcome that, and it is nice to flick through a glossy magazine. But there are a lot of sources of information out there to compete with.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Sean Bancroft)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:53:49 GMT

I'm in. #1157

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Edge)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:41:12 GMT

I'm 1083... I wonder why they started the numbering at 1000? Perhaps they're only really going to offer the free T-shirt for the first 500 subscribers? I guess we'll have to wait to see if order number 1501 still gets the T-shirt, and the last one is 2500.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Mamarazzi)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:31:31 GMT

I can't miss out on this one! I'm subscribed #1090. Awesome, Mean Mr. Bean v1.0 is on the front cover and at his favorite place, The Dragon!

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (MDSBrain)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:23:49 GMT

I'm #1120 :-)

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Jeff)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:23:31 GMT

SCCA classing??? With 53 US mini dealers and 5 cars per dealer that's only 265 total cars produced, or significantly below the 1,000 annual amount typically required for stock category classing. Not that there isn't a precedent for classing cars beneath that threshold (i.e. Miata R), I could very easily see this car being placed on the Stock Category exclusion list.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (The Seeker)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:16:44 GMT

Much ado about nothing. I was really expecting more.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (RB)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:16:33 GMT

I'm # 1024

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Charlie)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:10:22 GMT

Hey, I'm number 1106. That was quick! Almost 100 new subscribers in about an hour. Way to go MC2.

Now if only I could get my money back for my 2006 subscription of Go MINI

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (JerryD)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:09:36 GMT

I'm number 1102...

Still time to get a shirt and become a charter subscriber. I figure that for 25 bucks it's worth a shot. And it is nice to have a magazine to be able to pick up and read.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Rob Livesey)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:58:07 GMT

Granted. But it's always nice to have a magazine to pick up and read.

The Italian Job Tour (Cathy Jalal Bonnard)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:49:30 GMT

Could you please email me the link for the Italian Job Tour website as the one on your site currently is diverted to an estate agent.

I am trying to organise a corporate Italian job for 18 guests in Turin and am finding it hard to find an agency who would organise it.

Thanking you in advance.

Cathy

MINI Challenge World Final (joe who wants a MINI)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:39:43 GMT

i want to see pictures of the zinardi car!

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Ron in NJ)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:35:34 GMT

I wish them luck.

But...

The publishing buiness is being hit hard by the shift of 'info source' from the printed media to the internet.

From a distribution point, the physical transfer of paper from them to me is getting more costly and less efficient.

From a cost factor, everything is raising. Paper, repororter's travel, ect. Print is becomeing just a 're' package of press releases.

What's the option - the internet.

The internet offers no cost distibution, constant update, immediate response, video, links, and more.

I do offer my wish for MC2's succes.

But they're going to have a very hard time competing in today's 'high-tech' marketplace.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (dickdavid)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:33:20 GMT

I've subscribed!

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Osmodious)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:29:22 GMT

FINALLY, a Mini mag in the US! Hopefully it won't be all 'feature cars' like GoMini magazine...I'm looking forward to seeing interesting build-ups (a la Grassroots Motorsports and European Car) and such. I know how tough the magazine business can be, though they have an almost automatic audience with all us crazy Mini owners. Anyway, best of luck to these guys, I'm going to go sign up now!

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Kurt)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:26:18 GMT

I'd like to hear him tell us what the magazine will have that we can't already get on sites like this.

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (Ginger)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:14:21 GMT

After the demise of gomini in the UK, will there be the chance for UK owners to buy magazine?

The New MINI Magazine MC2 launches (James)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:57:54 GMT

I'm number #1022!

Sunshine MINIs looks forward to appearing in the magazine.

MINI Challenge World Final (Long Run Nick)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:12:49 GMT

Chilli Red rules! I tell folks CR is faster!! Check the photos. (:

MINI Challenge World Final (David Van Oosterwyk)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:07:49 GMT

Great coverage, Gabe. I spent the entire day yesterday looking for the results and couldn't find any. The whole Misano affair was just awesome. I loved the comment above, "help I'm turning blue." I feel the same way. Just wish I could have been there.

MINI Challenge World Final (blalor)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:05:01 GMT

Thanks for the high-res pic, Gabe. I was just going to ask for that myself. That's awsome!

MINI Challenge World Final (Greg W)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:15:23 GMT

All the cars used are now heading our way down-under to New Zealand where they will be used for a NZ MINI Challenge racing series (yes, left-hand drive cars). Apparently some cars are still available so how about some of you rich guys in USA coming down to race in the series. At least you won't have to worry about the German, Swiss, and Belgian team drivers. Interesred? contact peter.jarratt@bmw.co.nz

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (O(=^=)O Capn)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:48:00 GMT

I don't recall where but I think that Australia is getting 44.

MINI Challenge World Final (Allan)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:26:24 GMT

Is there a high res pic for the third pic too?

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Dennis)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:24:47 GMT

I guess I don't really care about the looks because another 2 seater is really out of the question. But, if I were looking I don't think it looks that bad.

What I really do like are the wheels and think they will look awsome on my PW/B...I jsut hope they are available at the dealer and not just on that car.

MINI Challenge World Final (Gabe)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:41:45 GMT

Any chance of getting that top image posted as a hi-res image suitable for download as wallpaper?

Here you go.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Gabe)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:38:11 GMT

I'm sure that included the A/C delete as that reduction number was based on a Euro car that already comes with the AC deleted as AC is an option on the other side of the pond.

The JCW GP comes standard with Air-Con and the 88 pounds figure is based on the standard car.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (kev)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:17:22 GMT

this car has turned into a blunder.

NO RECARO's. WTF. Better yet, what a joke.

As for the 88lbs. wt. reduction. I'm sure that included the A/C delete as that reduction number was based on a Euro car that already comes with the AC deleted as AC is an option on the other side of the pond. I bet the A/C alone adds 40 lbs. or so. That leaves the Wt. Reduction at 48 lbs. or so for US Cars. Oh but wait! We don't get those kick ass lt. wt recaro's either. I bet those shave off at least 10 lbs off each seat. For the US cars, it is almost a net zero.

We get light wt. rims and the back seat removed, then we get to add all the Wt. for the areo kit, under body panels and spoiler.

What a joke.

MINI Challenge World Final (Vanwall)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:12:45 GMT

Zanardi's win is the nicest part - amazing performance, IMHO.

             BCNU,
            Rob in Dago

MINI Challenge World Final (GuessWho)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:12:13 GMT

I love glowing brake rotors!

They need to air that on the tele for us Yanks to watch!

MINI Challenge World Final (Absorbine_Sr)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:08:22 GMT

And a big congrats to Alex Zanardi. I feel honored that he could win in the same car we love. Alex is a true example of bravery and will.

A_Sr.

MINI Challenge World Final (mapleleaf)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:01:41 GMT

Any chance of getting that top image posted as a hi-res image suitable for download as wallpaper?

MINI Challenge World Final (RB)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:33:40 GMT

Stuukies kid should have gone "Balls Out n da corrnahs" as his Dad used to say.

Cheers to Alex.

MINI Challenge World Final (heyduard)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:14:16 GMT

When will Speed TV air footage?

Help! I'm turning blue!!!!! :X

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (GMINI)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:28:47 GMT

I ordered mine tonight. #2 on the list.

But I really am glad to read so many favorable reviews beneath this MFile.

The Nürburgring Nordschleife (DasMINI)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:22:57 GMT

Can't afford Germany just yet, guess I'll have to stick to XBox's PGR2 and Forza games to keep my interest in Nurburgring. OMG! I can't believe I recognized every turn in the real photos and I've never been there.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Jon)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:38:25 GMT

Gabe,

I love those wheels, and I already know this answer before I ask the question, but here goes: Will there be any possible way to get these wheels as a stand-alone item?

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (dgszweda)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:32:30 GMT

Here is my guess on how they got the power. They probably tuned the intercooler inlets and outlets as well as probably around the intercooler openings. I highly doubt it is a larger intercooler. Many people have indicated it is a mess at the intercooler inlets as a result of the casting of the parts, and that a little cleanup can significantly increase the flow. Randy Webb sells new ones that have been tuned on his site. I would bet that the ECU tweaking probably includes a raised rev limiter. The Mini engine keeps climbing in power past the 6750 mark and you can comfortably raise it to 7250 with no problems. They mentioned the word free reving a few times and I wonder if that is an allusion to an increase in rpm.

I am still a little disappointed in the kit. I am a huge JCW fan and I have the full kit on my car as well as many other of their parts. I was hoping for a little more. They wetted our appetite with this one, but that is about as far as they went. I find the aluminum and the aerodynamic work interesting. I would guess that they probably only shaved a pound or so per wheel on compared to the 16" wheels. I am not sure if it has runflats or not. That would shave a few more off. The rear seat itself saves 34lbs. So that means that there are 47 more lbs saved somewhere else. It is nice that they threw in the sports suspension and the brakes. I would have still loved the Recaros and can't figure out why they couldn't provide it for the 350 or so cars that the US will get.

Overall it will make a good collectors item and will definitely get a lot of looks and attention at different Mini meets.

In reality, what you are getting is a body kit, special wheels, aluminum control arms, engine tuning for an extra 8bhp or around 7hp, an undercarriage tray and a special paint job. The rest of the items you can get from Mini itself when you order your car.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (M1N1GUN)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:15:16 GMT

any word on if this car is coming to australia???

Yes, I assume

All I know is that I am buying that body kit if its made available. Do you guys think it will?

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Gabe)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:52:37 GMT

I wonder if this tuning kit (intercooler,etc.) will be availible for my MCS, I hope it will b/c that was on my mods list, and I will feel alot more comfortable if it was a JCW Intercooler.

I doubt it'll make an official release. However some of the more saavy parts guys may be able to sneak one through the system. Of couse then you'll need the ECU tweak as well.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (ChiliCooperS)

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:22:57 GMT

I wonder if this tuning kit (intercooler,etc.) will be availible for my MCS, I hope it will b/c that was on my mods list, and I will feel alot more comfortable if it was a JCW Intercooler.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Gabe)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:24:55 GMT

The information mentions the possibility of deleting the A/C and DSC as being under study; but from the press release above, it looks like the removal of the A/C is already figured into the weight savings of 88 lbs---but you could add it back in !

I've been told that the 88 pounds of weight savings does not include deleting Air-con. Deleting Air-con would seemingly increase the reduction.

And regarding the deletion of DSC. I think it's more an aspect of folks buying this car for the track and not wanting to have to deactivate the DSC everytime they start the car. I don't believe eliminating DSC reduces weight further.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (fdavid)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:04:31 GMT

All I know is that I am buying that body kit if its made available. Do you guys think it will?

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (DIOJCW)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:38:08 GMT

new intercooler another $1000 or so for the upgrade to 218bhp

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (DIOJCW)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:36:25 GMT

any word on if this car is coming to australia???

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Trick)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:30:00 GMT

Wonder how the SCCA will handle classing on this for Solo 2? I guess it would go BS like the other JCW equipped cars?

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Gilbert)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:26:07 GMT

So... if the original cooper s with JCW have a 210 HP what is this... 218 so they added only 8 hp for more money?

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Fred)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:24:30 GMT

US Dealers got a list of the equipment available on the MINIUSA version, which pretty much mirrors the Euro model, except that it specifically said the Recaro's would not be available here, and that US cars would get the seats found in the Checkmate option (all-black leather/cloth combination)

The spec. list also shows it get an anthracite headliner.

The information mentions the possibility of deleting the A/C and DSC as being under study; but from the press release above, it looks like the removal of the A/C is already figured into the weight savings of 88 lbs---but you could add it back in !

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (tanya)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:24:02 GMT

AC I totally get, and would also push for deleting power windows and locks, but deleting DSC...? Why would you buy it as an option, then pay to have it deleted? What am I missing?

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (RichmondJCWMCS)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:09:07 GMT

It would be great if they offer a delete option for the A/C and DSC..........would be better than leaving them on the car from a purist point of view

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (tanya)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:02:45 GMT

DSC deleted to reduce weight? Huh. Can't believe the various sensors weigh all that much, but more importantly - it's an option already that you can "delete" by not paying $500. Given this, I guess my stripped Works car shares some of the "exclusive racing technology" found on the GP2...

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Gabe)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:41:50 GMT

30K euros is about $36K US minus the recaros does not make $30K?

Prices for US MINIs vs UK/Euro versions don't typically follow straight currency conversions. As an example take a look at the base price for an MCS in the UK. I think you'll be quite surprised.

Finalists Chosen For MINI USA Ad Agency (Mini4ever!)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:24:32 GMT

I agree on Mother. Great firm that did some neat stuff with Target and Coke. Butler is behind some cool new converse work, too.

Frog? Nice agency and a good back up to the back up.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (chows4us)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:19:25 GMT

30K euros is about $36K US minus the recaros does not make $30K?

What is the "awesome" sound. Did I read its just a bigger IC? If true, it would see they should retrofit easily to all JCW TCs.

JCW GP Kit US Announcement (Doug)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:45:09 GMT

Hmmmm. If the price holds at $30K, it's not a bad buy. Half the time I have the backseat folded down. I'd rather had lost the A/C rather than the sound deading, as there can't be that much.

As for the lack of a rear-wiper - Rain-X.

Oh, and I'll choose that new JCW wing over that one. (I'm pretty sure that the production car will have the fender skirts either body colored or black like the rest of the factory approved Aero Kits.)

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Mark)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:30:08 GMT

Sorry, another source I read today said no air conditioning. This article states that it WILL have AC. Sorry...should have read it closer the first time....

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Mark)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:28:22 GMT

No Air Conditioning??

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Bryn)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:11:29 GMT

I am starting a campaign:

!!DITCH THE TINTS!!

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (RB)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:49:22 GMT

Likes:

front & rear aprons, red mirror caps, rear wing

Dissapointing:

Boresville paint scheme, Side skirts, weight, HP, wheels

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (ChrisW)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:48:11 GMT

RW, the Web would be an awfully boring place if people didn't air their criticisms as well as their praises, no? And as far as no one forcing us to buy this, thank the heavens that's true. :)

The more I look at that rear wing, the more I loathe it. It should be criminal for something that looks like that to come out of the factory. Leave the tacky add-ons to the high school kids please. I think this car would be better called "The MINI Cooper S JC Whitney Edition."

There is an upside: the limited production run will spare us from having to see this thing on the roads much, if at all.

Just remember: whenever BMW births something that offends, BLAME BANGLE! :)

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (BigBrownDog)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:29:48 GMT

One word --> "al-u-min-i-um"

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit First Photos (RW)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:11:12 GMT

So... what we've got here... is basically an MC-40 of a different color. An option package that maximizes profits for MINI.

That's crazy. A company in business trying to maximize profits?! Good for them.

Maybe they'll stay around and continue to make not only cars like this, but inexpensive, obtainable cars like the Cooper.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (JiminVirginia)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:09:50 GMT

As may have been pointed out, the weight savings are roughly equal to a full tank of gas. Pretty disappointing.

But what about the stories about Bertone body panels? This isn't it, is it? Is the real lightweight still over the horizon?

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Charlie)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:08:48 GMT

Rob, Where on the web is the information? Charlie

The iPod/MINI Connector Reviewed (NIck)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:07:06 GMT

Yes but does this include the european BMW 1 series??? There is no information on this. As i understand it is not sold in the USA... Could this maybe be a reason why it is not made for an ipod???

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (rob)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:56:58 GMT

The official MINI USA word as presented via web 5 minutes ago states the US will get about 5 per dealer and there will NOT be Recaro seats in the US version. grr

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit First Photos (rob)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:55:31 GMT

The officeal word as of 5 minutes ago. The US will NOT get the Recaro seats. grr

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (TBH)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:47:10 GMT

This is going to be a hard sell. Enthusiast are not going to buy into it given the general dissatisfaction voiced by most on this board and it is too impractical for the general public. They'll end up as show pieces for 3 to 4 month then the bargain bin by years end.

MINI Named Most Efficient in Class (Spaced)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:42:47 GMT

Hey at least you guys dont have a crappy neon like me, an '03 Neon Se with ATX to be exact, has a N/A 2.0L, 12.5gal tank and I get....drumroll, 14mpg, yes my friends 14mpg!!!! Somebody shoot me. Oh and BTW, thats with everything brand new, as in wires, plugs(properly gaped), PCV, breather filter, air filter, tires nicely inflated, fresh oil job. Ride it hard or ride it like a granny, its the same every time.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Ozbone)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:23:55 GMT

At first glance this is a disappointment. Most of the mods are fluff. Not surprising really, like most car companies BMW will try to make this model work while holding or FATTENING their profit margins. Based on what we now know it appears that they have not really invested anything into weight savings - they've just hacked some pounds off. Do their mods justify the extra $$$ ?? Not to me. Will they have any trouble selling them ?? Probably not.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Z4MINI)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:52:22 GMT

"I'm not expert but it is my understanding that an actual dragster or racer car needs to have a slew of required safety mods and gear that just add to the overall weight, they typically strip the cars to try to make up the difference..."

Good point, but a roll cage and fire system is usually about it for required safety equipment.

Neither weigh that much.

Probably need a fuel cell too, but that is probably a weight reduction not a gain. Don't know if the MINI USA dragster uses a fuel cell though. maybe Gabe knows.

Remember that a stock S weighs over 2600lbs. Getting down to 2100lbs is a SERIOUS reduction in weight. Go to the gym and stack up 500lbs of plates and then try and figure where that weight would come from if it came off a MINI and still have a functional road car....it's not an easy thing to do.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Z4MINI)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:52:02 GMT

Good point, but a roll cage and fire system is usually about it for required safety equipment.

Neither weigh that much.

Probably need a fuel cell too, but that is probably a weight reduction not a gain. Don't know if the MINI USA dragster uses a fuel cell though. maybe Gabe knows.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (rw)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:24:26 GMT

You folks are nothing but a bunch of whiners!

"It's not light enough... whaaaaa!" "Why didn't they do this... whaaaa?!" "It's ugly... whaaaaa!" "Disappointed... whaaaaa!"

Nobody is forcing you to buy this.

Go and design and build your own lightweight MINI and stop complaining.

That's the beauty of the MINI buying experience. You can make and mod your own.

I'm sure you wouldn't like it if folks bashed your MINI config, just because it's not the way they like it. Have some respect for those who actually do like this car and want to buy it.

If MINI has failed at this attempt, it will show in the lack of sales.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (minicoopermike)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:23:03 GMT

The car would work for me, but I would definitely ditch the wheels in favor the 5-spoke JCW 18s or another set of MINI wheels.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Tim)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:04:37 GMT

Odd, but I think the rims look fugly when standing still, but I think they look pretty cool in motion.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Mark (Ohio))

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:04:02 GMT

Errr, I'm not expert but it is my understanding that an actual dragster or racer car needs to have a slew of required safety mods and gear that just add to the overall weight, they typically strip the cars to try to make up the difference...

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (minimc)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:39:30 GMT

Nooooooooooooo!

All I can say is, I hope MINI decided to have a little fun ala the mock lightweight MINI article in Autoexpress.

Surely this is not the final color scheme & wheels?

Blech! The word fugly comes to mind.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Z4MINI)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:36:03 GMT

"BOOOO! Cumon you can do alot better than that! This thing shouldhave been much closer to 2000 pounds"

Uhhh...that MINI Dragster that Gabe posted is what?...2100lbs and its all CF with no interior whatsoever. And that is perhaps the most EXTREME weight reduction out there...and it didn't break the 2k barrier.

It's also not the kind of car you can actually drive on the road. If you really want a 2Klb car, you are looking in the wrong place.

White Roof Radio Podcast #19 (db)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:35:49 GMT

What?! No GP JCW talk? I waited up for this! Oh well, Phil is exciting too.

We'll be covering this in much more detail in woof20 to be sure. Don't worry, we didn't forget about it :)

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (greg)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:29:08 GMT

Gak! Hit E-bay for some chrome mirrors and you've got 1/3 of this ugliness licked. New wheels will be pricey and so will a regular S spoiler.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Gabe)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:13:49 GMT

I thought that the S already was lacking in sound deadening, drive the two, you'll notice a difference.

The MCS has a pass-through on the boot shelf to allow the exhaust note into the cabin easier. That's the only difference btw and stock MC and MCS in terms of sound insulation.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Ginger)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:13:48 GMT

Like the idea but not the execution! Would still be tempted if I had the money though.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Gabe)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:12:06 GMT

Gabe, You've been uncharacteristically silent over the last couple of days. Working on Motoringfile's styling critique of this car? When will you post it?

Sorry... I've just been busy with other things. I'm aiming to write something later this week.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Mark (Ohio))

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:07:30 GMT

What an eclectic looking design. I sure hope this car looks better in person! Usually cars do but, sadly, I feel obligated to chime in that I'm also disappointed and turned off by the looks of this edition.

It reminds me of a bad looking teenage "tweener" car. By looking at it I wouldn't have been surprised to learn they just slapped a nitrous bottle in the thing and called it a day. :(

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Ben)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:00:25 GMT

You call that light weight? 40kilos! not even 90pounds.

BOOOO! Cumon you can do alot better than that! This thing shouldhave been much closer to 2000 pounds

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (TBH)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:54:48 GMT

Lets be serious. If this was the car some of you whiners would have wanted would you have brought it? Nope. 9 out of 10 of you have your dream Mini and something tells me that some of your moaning is simply due to jealousy or sour grapes. I am not a fan of this car but I commend them for at least putting out the effort.

Lets see... IF these specs would have come out then maybe some of you would have been happy but I doubt any of you would have ordered it: All Wheel Drive Carbon Hood Mini Branded SSR rims 300hp Any color choice Rear seats as an option Brembo Brakes Sub 2000lb weight Recaro buckets Roll cage Oh yeah and 28k out the door cause for 29,500 you can spec your own JCW MCS and get your grand daddies dad to slap some Real Ricey mods on it and get almost the same performance but no warranty coverage so when it goes up in smoke you can blame BMW/Mini for being unfair.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (O(=^=)O Capn)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:53:28 GMT

engine tuning measures

Hmmn, sounds like software upgrades

Surprising that they have issued such details as the power/torque and release date yet no top speed or acceleration figures which, one would have thought, would be the ultimate selling points.

Yeah, it could be like an election where the politicians don't drop a bomb until just before the election (release)because people would forget by then.

Buying the MINI JCW GP is apparently not unlike buying a $300.00 necktie at Neiman Marcus ... you may be the only person you know who is impressed with your purchase.

LOLOLOL

nor with typical weight reduction stuff like removing sound deadening.

I thought that the S already was lacking in sound deadening, drive the two, you'll notice a difference.

(ah, I get it now, this is the Cooper S Sound Kit).

lolo

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Charlie)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:42:22 GMT

Gabe, You've been uncharacteristically silent over the last couple of days. Working on Motoringfile's styling critique of this car? When will you post it?

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (C. Tate)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:37:28 GMT

Recaro Sport Seats.

I've been dying for something stock with a litle more thigh support that still works with the airbag system. I wonder...

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Bryn)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:08:35 GMT

PS - sorry for typo: 'off' should read 'offer.' Also, note to self: must buy more exclamations marks as running short.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Bryn)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:06:32 GMT

If there is one thing that reactions over the past few days should have shown BMW MINI: there IS a market for a genuine lightweight. For the people who are willing to do without the sunroof and back seats, for crying out loud DO off a stripped out MINI. You think you couldn't sell a measly 2,000 of those? Get out of here! All the dedicated MINI fans are gagging for it! Sadly, this is not the car..

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (CPatisaul)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:00:06 GMT

Everyone keeps saying it looks "rice", but I think it may actually be the British equivalent, "chav"

From Wikipedia: Chav

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Eelke)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:36:44 GMT

For this kind of thing, I don't think there is anything wrong with limited or no choice of colors, nor with typical weight reduction stuff like removing sound deadening. Nor with a "crazy" detail like those red wing mirrors, actually. Just seems the car is a lot more show than go, which is a shame. My biggest opbjection I think is being summarized by those that have said "Rice"... And the fact this car only has 8 BHP more than the standard Works car (ah, I get it now, this is the Cooper S Sound Kit).

I think with the youthful image they want for Mini, they could have gone overboard with the weigh reduction as well. No sound-proofing? Is that all? Loose the carpets, fit leightweight racing buckets, ditch the aircon, etc.

Day One with the MCS Convertible (Andrea)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:31:41 GMT

Can anyone tell me how to adjust the Harman Kardon stereo system that came with my 03 Mini S? I can't seem to find how to change the settings! Thanks, Andrea

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (fishbulb)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:29:02 GMT

there are some interesting touches here.

I think it is VERY interesting that they did away with the middle grill...doesn't the 07 car do this as well? Reminds me of Samtrak's Slick DS.... it would have been nice if it was totally smooth, rather than looking like a plug for the hole....

I like the body color grill surround...slick.

the color is cool, not overly exciting, but cool. Silver roof works well.

I typically hate 4 spoke rims, but something about these is very slick. They even look a lot like the artists drawings...

red mirror caps....why? easy enough to change...

wing...whatever. not my thing.

OVerall, the whole car just looks disjointed...like 7 designers got to add one thing to the car and not see what anyone else was doing on it.

I don't like how un-sorted the black trim is...it starts, it stops, all in seemingly random spots. if it ran to the bottom of the front bumper, it would have been better. Also, the side sills could have been treated like the areo kit gets painted, that would have helped with the flow of the car. Plus, well, they look a little goofy....

The front bumper isn't too bad, I like the chin spoiler.

The decal around the scoop...I am not sure. I do like the black accent inside the scoop...that is cool....

Every pic i look at, those freaking red mirror caps just scream LOOK AT THE SIDE MIRRORS!!! it is very distracting from what could be a some what sorted design....(with a few tweaks)

For me, doesn't matter. I want the back seat, and I want the sunroof.

YMMV!

-jac

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Ian F)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:28:56 GMT

I think MINI is trying to come out with a unique special edition without swelling the price point beyond where most average MINI owners/lovers are at.,

True. All things considered, it's not a bad deal. I spec'd a similar JCW w/ an absolute minimum of options and it came to $29,800 and it doesn't include the unique wheels or "polarizing" bodywork. Don't know if it includes any suspension upgrades.

I guess I never thought much of it as I haven't spec'd out of JCW recently (why bother when you live so close to Helix?), but it's not easy to get a JCW with any options under $30K. The cheapest build is $28,850.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Josh Wardell)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:25:04 GMT

So the extra power is coming from simply intercooler and software tweaks? I wonder if either will be available as JCW upgrades.

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit First Photos (Tony T)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:23:17 GMT

Like it or loath it, there really is only one reason why Mini did this project in my mind - to ensure high volume sales in the run out last months of the Mk1 New Mini. Not only will they sell each and every one of these during that period, but those people dissapointed with not being able to get one will end up buying a standard Works during this period as the sales advisor will happily point out that 'the two cars are virtually the same anyway'.... perhaps sales of DS coloured cars will actually increase too...

Its starting to grow on me. i can't believe its finished or that they won't take our comments on board for minor styling tweeks. However, you can't live without a rear wash wipe in the UK imho... so it will be hard to live with as a daily driver.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (SB)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:19:55 GMT

Buying the MINI JCW GP is apparently not unlike buying a $300.00 necktie at Neiman Marcus ... you may be the only person you know who is impressed with your purchase. Let me get this right ... No choice of colors, limited options, louder interior noise level, no substantive performance increase over a standard JCW package ... and a higher price, hmmm. And then there is the wing. There is just something about adding downforce the rear end of a front drive car that I have never quite grasped.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Tom)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:19:24 GMT

Paint the arches. Love the wheels, like the contrasting side view mirrors.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Eelke)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:18:45 GMT

Like the GP or don't like it, I bet there will be 2000 people eager to get one.

The point of this kind of limited edition rarely is limited (no pun intended) to selling the small(ish) number of cars actually being produced. It is mostly about image, and I don't think Mini is doing themselves a favour with this as an image builder.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Bryn)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:14:44 GMT

Surprising that they have issued such details as the power/torque and release date yet no top speed or acceleration figures which, one would have thought, would be the ultimate selling points. Still, perhaps it doesn't matter when almost all the 2000-strong batch have allegedly been pre-sold (?) I note that this is a table d'hote deal with no substitutions from the menu - e.g. any colour you like as long as it's this dull grey-blue and side-orders of aircon and MFSW included - but I'd dearly love to ditch the pimp-glass rear windows from the spec.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (James)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:13:28 GMT

What a disapointment. I remember the 3 Series CSL from a few years back that was similarly overpriced for a very modest (minimal, really) improvement in performance. The 88-pound savings is no better than leaving your 12-year-old at home when you go out for a spin.

This car is also ugly.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Lee L)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:13:10 GMT

Oh, I forgot to add, it will be interesting to see under the bonnet to get a peek at the intercooler and I guess I should go ahead and ask...

if it will be retrofittable. ;)

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Lee L)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:11:39 GMT

I hope that rear wing also directs some air across the rear window or people will not be able to see out the back with no rear wiper.

I actually like it a little more seeing the new photos, maybe because it keeps me from seeing the wheels as much. ;) Or maybe it just makes each of the "spokes" seem a little wider.

THe color choice looks like the rest of the MINI S line right now, which is not my taste.

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit First Photos (Ian F)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:06:27 GMT

I don't really think the car looks bad but my dissappointment stems for the fact that MINI simply missed the mark of what the LTW hopefulls were looking for: A lighter MCS.

Doesn't really need to be more powerful or look all that different from a stock car. Just be lighter. A LOT lighter. And many autocrossers and track-fiends would be willing to pay a premium for that.

However, that being said, there are likely some underlying reasons for the car being what it is. A completely re-worked MCS would likely need to be re-federalized here in the US which would increase costs (and lead-time) substancially. From what I can see, this car does not represent a big enough change to require that.

So... what we've got here... is basically an MC-40 of a different color. An option package that maximizes profits for MINI.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (Ric Stofer)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:00:04 GMT

I've had the weekend to ponder this beast and after a few pints it started looking better.:-) Where have we heard that before.;-) Anyway, it still looks better this AM. (coffee only) The product is unfinished and (the good news) MINI still has time to get it right. Let's hope they do! I wonder what seats we will get?

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (GSKChicago)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:46:26 GMT

People have been commenting on the limited weight reduction and only a slight bump in power. Gabe/Motoringfile is projecting a price near $30,000 (US) as well.

One thing to consider is if MINI added too many high-end (ala Carbon Fiber) materials to reduce weight and further enhanced the engine, the price point would be well above $30,000 (US).

I think MINI is trying to come out with a unique special edition without swelling the price point beyond where most average MINI owners/lovers are at.

Like the GP or don't like it, I bet there will be 2000 people eager to get one.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (kev)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:27:45 GMT

While somewhat cool due to it's rarity, this car is still a major let down. Anyone can remove the rear seats and buy some litht wt. SSR's to acheive the wt. savings on this car. At a minimum they should have put a Carbon Fiber hood on it and perhaps some aluminum doors to get the wt. savings over 100 lbs.

Still no view of the inside, but that body kit is for Ricers. I'm interested to know what the under body panels are how much reduction in drag coeff. all the added body panels and areo kits give to the car. It better be a big savings because it looks like it has Simply added Weight. Same with 18" rimes I wonder if they are any wider than any of the other rims available from the factory?

If this thing comes in at $30K, they will sit on dealer lots. Most will opt for an 06 with JCW's for the same money and keep the back seats for versatiltiy.

The JCW GP Kit; More Power, Less Weight (cbowens)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:19:45 GMT

218 hp .... looks like my thought of getting a GRP motorsport intercooler to give Greta a bit more hp was a correct one.....

Still not a good looking MINI :{

NICE

White Roof Radio Podcast #19 (Gabe)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:14:52 GMT

Gabe, you forgot about the foreign listeners. If you take us into account, it would take a few more than 500 to make 1/10 of all the U.S. owners as listeners. And it's roof, not ruff! ;-)

Well my math waas way off (as usual). And yes I forgot about listeners outside the US. I realized this almost immediately after I said it. Sorry :)

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit First Photos (GMINI)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:58:17 GMT

Dan, the photos you link to w�ss the car out by displaying a car in motion, on a trackl, with a helmetless driver. Makes the car look like it's going thirty for photographs. Parade laps. :0

White Roof Radio Podcast #19 (KLF23)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:30:45 GMT

Gabe, you forgot about the foreign listeners. If you take us into account, it would take a few more than 500 to make 1/10 of all the U.S. owners as listeners. And it's roof, not ruff! ;-)

I like the light approach. The intro and the out-takes at the end had me laughing.

Classic Mini, Supercharged! (gaz)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:26:37 GMT

just a quick question for anybody in the know!ive just ordered a new mini cooper s with the jcw kit on it,does anybody know if a dump valve can be fitted,if so would be an easyish job to do 2)is it mini specific(if not what would i be looking for ie fitment for which car) 3)where would you recommend one from?any help with this would be gratefully received.cheers

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit First Photos (Dan)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:57:54 GMT

Here are more pics:

http://media.mysan.de/index.php?action=showgal&cat=312&page=1

Imagining the deletion of the wing on the rear view pictures, the ricer stigma melts away and it actually looks cool. However, 88lbs still isn't enough savings to give up "removal of the rear seats and the air conditioning system, elimination of sound-deadening material, and replacement of the rear axle control arms with aluminum units"

When I 1st dreamed of this car, I imagined it being taken apart and major body panels (if not pieces) being recast in aluminum and carbon. That would be worth any fuss.

White Roof Radio Podcast #19 (O(=^=)O Capn)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:24:34 GMT

As always, I post before I find out.

White Roof Radio Podcast #19 (O(=^=)O Capn)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:15:07 GMT

What?! No GP JCW talk? I waited up for this! Oh well, Phil is exciting too.

Counterfeit MINIs and the CCC (zorgunfleck)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:41:59 GMT

I think I really need this DVD. A year ago I bought what I thought was a Mini Cooper. 6 months later I took the "car" into my mechanic, and was shocked to find out that my "Mini Cooper" was not a Mini Cooper at all but A FAT KID!!! Neeless to say I was horrified, and when I went to return it and get my money back, the trailer where I bought it had myteriously gone missing. All I have left to do now is take the fat kid to the vet to be put down, buy that DVD, and make sure that this time I get a real Mini Cooper.

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit First Photos (Lawrence)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:34:23 GMT

Wing - great shape, looks good, but let's get it in body color or, better yet, silver roof color. After all, even if it is CF, nothing else on the car looks like it - let's integrate.

Front fascia - like the color-coded grille and lower grille blockoff. Not too big a fan of the brake-duct-things, unless they are functional. I do like the front lower lip.

Side Skirts - only way to make these look good is integrate the wheel arches (like others have said) and make the rear bulges functional, perhaps rounting side-exit exhaust through them? Otherwise, why have them?

Rear - kinda like the rear vent additions (look similar to the Oricari front cowl vents) and I do like the rear lip as well. Deletion of rear wiper is slick.

Wheels - Ugh.

Red Mirrors - CF would be better, or silver.

Badging - terrible. I do like the face, but it's way too big. Numbering the roof is novel, but I'd rather have just a small dash plaque somwhere, especially if those numbers on the roof are just gonna be stickers. The highlight band around the bonnet scoop is ok, but the GP inside is not. I guess I'm biased, as I like to de-badge everything, but all that plastic lettering on the boot is unfortunate.

Overall, exterior is a letdown. Not nearly as integrated from the factory as I'd hoped. I dunno, I think special editions should make you drool, wishing you had changed your order or been lucky enough to get on a list or something. Hearing the original rumors of power and weight savings, that's how I was feeling. Now, I'm very happy with my existing car!

John Cooper Works GP Tuning Kit First Photos (Craig)

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:17:29 GMT

I am not changing the specs on my order come the first of the year. This build is for the buyer who wants more tickets and less riders. Why don't they wait for the 2 seater that is in the wind? Special builds that stand thet test of time are few and far between. Personally I will wait a few more months until I finally order to replace my '03. But on the postive note it is good to see MINI isn't standing still!!!