Hi I’m Gabe, and I have a rust problem.

Yes it’s true. My 12 month old Cooper S has the dreaded rust door sill rust. For those that haven’t been following the rust saga, a few people over at North American Motoring have been reporting rust on MINIs in the door sill area over the past week. While it’s mostly been older cars that have been aflicted, there have been a smattering of 2005′s with rust also. Well you can now officially add mine to the list. The good news is that it is very much under warranty and at the earliest of stages. In fact the amount of rust and the location really don’t have me too concerned. However it’s still rust on a one year old car. Not a particularly pleasant thing to see.

The problem in my case isn’t that a portion of the sill was left unpainted (as has been reported by some owners of earlier cars). Instead it would seem the issue lies with the rubber moulding on the sill itself. The seal traps moisture to the point of no escape. All that moisture is basically drowning the door sill’s metal edge and causing rust to form. Seems like a fairly simple story of cause and effect at this point.

With the help of a few MINI owners I’ve collected pictures of MINI door sills in various states of rusting and posted them to the MotoringFile Flickr Pool. Most are 2002 or 2003 model with the exception of my 2005. You can post your own by simply getting a Flickr account, uploading your images and joining the MotoringFile Pool (all free of course). One little tip: make sure to use the “MINI rust” tag on your rust photos so that they show up whenever someone searches for that exact phrase.

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Written By: Gabe

  • Steve J

    Well after reading this post I went to Buster to check under his weather strip and what did I find??? He has “RUST”……For back round…Buster was born at the end of July 2005, delivered end of August of 05 and has been driven for 21000 miles and in less than a year he has already developed rust under the weather stripping on the drivers side right smack dab in the middle of the sill…I will let everyone know what the dealer says on monday because Buster yet again goes in to have the window fixed for up/down for the open/close function (forget what its called)…But Buster will still enjoy the Mini vacation in St lOuis before then…

    Cheers. Steve

  • Al Darko

    I guess its no longer “mass hysteria” now that it has affected you…..

  • http://www.motoringfile.com/ Gabe

    It is absolutely mass hysteria. Have you read some of these comments!? :-)

  • dr

    The sky IS falling for MINI if this is not dealt with…..I will sell my car before this becomes a well-known issue and re-sale drops like a rock….If the reputation gets out as these being rust buckets nobody will want them!

    Pedro…please post pictures of your 8 inches……….Of un-painted sill/door. perhaps this is a paint process issue

  • Lee L

    Gabe, since you took teh stip off to dry it, then saw the moitsute come back, do you think it is possible that water is getting in some void and then wicking back up to the seal?

    I know there have been some issues with a wet seat belt associated with a broken drip channel that goes around at thr top of the glass line. Could there be other problem as well that cause smaller leaks even when it works as designed that allow water down into teh bottom of the car?

  • http://www.jamesthethird.com James

    Gabe,

    Have you taken your MCS in to have service look at it yet? Did they do anything special to the rubber seal or replace it? I’m taking my ’05 MCS in for service next week and I wanted to see how your dealer handled it. Thanks.

  • Disco Stu

    I don’t know about y’all, but my ’03′s hatch rubber seal is FULL of water all the time.

    I can’t sit in the open hatch on the seal without my butt getting wet.

    It doesn’t come off easily like the door seals – is there rust in there too????

    I almost don’t want to know….

  • Shooler

    Just checked my 05. Found a very small area on the drivers side, none on the passenger. I’m not to concerned at this point. I’ll let my Service Advisor know about it at my next service.

  • Copoly

    Very disturbing news Gabe! I ran home immediately to check out my April 05 built MCS. I found just a miniature amount of brownish discoloration on my pass side; just on the top of the sill flange. When I pulled the sill out, it was wet underneath; the car was last driven in rain 3 days prior to it! I have to mention that this car has been stored all winter, and there is no explanation for this at all. The problem is the sill holding too much moisture; most likely the water is coming from the top, probably around the lower part of the A-pillar, and the gravity holds it at the bottom. I don’t think that water can travel from the lower door-opening to the Sill. Although I think the door-sill (that is the rubber piece on the button of the door), is not really strong and long enough, in my opinion, to catch all the water coming in from the lower door cut line. I should mention that I’m not too concern at the moment, because I really can’t call this brownish spot “Rust” yet, but it is a beginning in itself.

    Let me mention that as Gabe mentioned, we all should be calm, this is not an un-common problem on vehicles, but I would STRONGLY urge every MINI owner to first check this flange closely for any discoloration, or rust, and then spread the word to others. The next step would be a trip to the local dealer and let them know about the problem. The sooner MINI found out about this, the cheaper would be for them to come up with some solution, and the sooner we all get a resolution on this. Solution would be either, new sill design, or applying some sort of material on the flange itself, to prevent it from corrosion. I’m going to the dealer this Monday for some service; I’m going there with some printed out photos of your “Flickr Rust Folder” account. I will let you all know what happens.

    Lets Motor!

    Copoly

    p.s. The terminology for this type of door sill is “Bulb-Sill”, since the cross-section looks like a “Light-Bulb”; that is the area that get compressed when you close the door, to create a tight sill. The small holes you see on rubber is for ventilation of the air from the bulb section, when you close the door, and it is not connected to the area of the sill that hugs itself on the flange.
    Another note on putting the sill back to its position, you want make sure to start from the outside, and work your way toward inside, these sill have designed to hold the shape of the door opening, really tight. Also when you put the sill back, please be careful, the inner part of the sill has a metal structure, make sure you don’t damage the paint on the sill flange.

  • http://web.mac.com/andrewz/iweb/ andrew

    Just checked for this on my 04, and sure enough there was a little bit of rust starting under the seal. Thanks for the tip!

  • David

    This is very disappointing. No the sky isn’t falling, but I’m surprised at the lengths some people go to forgive design mistakes. This is BMW. How long have they been designing cars? Weatherstripping ventilation/rust should be a non-issue. I’m someone who is considering this car after 15 years with Acura products. My current 9 year old Integra has no rust whatsoever. This is just the sort of thing that makes me want to stay with what I know and not risk having this kind on nonsense cropping up an a PREMIUM priced car. I’ve been burned by German engineering in the past and I’m starting to get that “run away” feeling.

    If I had a one year old car in the year 2006 that was rusting, I would be p*ssed!!!!! This is BS folks!

  • danno

    Unbelievable! Old world craftsmanship at its worst. Some things never change. Even Hyundai figured out how to keep its paper-thin sheetmetal from rusting for more than one year. BMW has a growing problem on its hands and they’d better make this right – fast. This has the potential to drop their high profit little darling into a deep and expensive hole. A rust problem on a new BMW designed car?! WOW!

    The future of the MINI if BMW doesn’t fix this fast:

    “Hi, I’m calling about the MINI you have for sale in the paper…is it all rusty?”

    “Sorry, we can’t take a MINI trade-in. People think they rust and now we can’t give them away…”

  • Copoly

    Danno,

    Please chill out man! This is not as big of a deal as you think, yet. I’m sure BMW is going to make us all proud at the end. We just have to keep them inform, as quickly as we can.

    Cheers,

    Copoly

  • Pedro

    While some have gone overboard on this issue without giving BMW a chance to respond, I must admit that this is in fact a big deal. Rust on a 1 year old car is a HUGE deal (totally unacceptable). Let’s not downplay the seriousness of the issue. At the same time, let’s not shout the world is ending from every corner either. Some valid points have been made, however. People considering the MINI who do their online research will find these posts and some may think twice while others will buy the car for the same reasons most of us own ours.

    Let’s give BMW a chance to investigate and announce their findings/plan for correction. If we don’t hear anything within a month or so I would then suggest cranking up the heat a notch.

  • Liam

    I have an Australian spec 2004 MCS (April build) at this stage my car has just one tiny spot on the passenger’s side. The driver’s side is all clear. Quite a few Australian owners posting on MINI2 have the issue as well, some not so bad, others worse.

    When checking my car I also had a very quick look at the rear hatch opening. I did not remove the rubber strip completely so I could see the entire hatch opening, however the areas I did see were all okay. Also of note while doing this was the fact that some sort of wax-like substance was evident between the painted metal and the rubber strip. Perhaps a substance like this on the door sills may have prevented, or at least prolonged, the rust issues there???

  • zipzip

    This past weekend after washing the car I pulled up the rubber door seals and found rust spots on both sides. Whipping out the warranty book and seeing the vehicle is warranted “against defects in materials or workmanship which will result in rust perforation of the vehicle body for a period of 6 years, without milage limitation” I called the dealship. They said they needed to see the car so I brought it in today. We pulled up the seals, he saw the rust spots and said that he needed to speak to the service manager. He came back saying I’d need to come back on later in the month when the regional Mini technician is there. He said this guy needs to see, and approve, any warranty claims against paint. I figured the dealership should have been able to make a determination, but I guess not. Anybody else have to go through this. Any warranty claims disapproved?

  • Copoly

    zipzip,

    What year is your?

  • ZipZIp
    1. Never been in an accident, garage kept, yearly dealership inspections performed. Couldn’t believe the amount of moisture underneath the seal after just washing it. Previous posts seem to indicate dealers are agreeing it’s a warrantied fix whereas mine wants this additional Mini field rep to look at it to determine if it’s a covered fix. It’s crazy but I now know I’ll have to pull up the seal after every wash or after driving in the rain for the area to dry out to prevent future rust. Just wondering what response other owners wanting the rust repaired under warranty are getting from their dealerships. Thanks.
  • ZipZIp

    It didn’t post the year for some reason. It’s a 2002

  • Randy

    While some have gone overboard on this issue without giving BMW a chance to respond, I must admit that this is in fact a big deal. Rust on a 1 year old car is a HUGE deal (totally unacceptable). Let’s not downplay the seriousness of the issue. At the same time, let’s not shout the world is ending from every corner either. Some valid points have been made, however. People considering the MINI who do their online research will find these posts and some may think twice while others will buy the car for the same reasons most of us own ours.

    Let’s give BMW a chance to investigate and announce their findings/plan for correction. If we don’t hear anything within a month or so I would then suggest cranking up the heat a notch.

    Gang, if you are waiting for some announcement from BMW/MINI, you may be waiting for a long time. IMHO, the best we can hope for is a silent recall, i.e., the dealers getting the OK to repair rust on an as needed basis. Since this is not a safety issue, they aren’t going to announce this to all current owners worldwide – that’s just asking for expensive grief. Most owners have no clue about this (hidden) problem and BMW would have to be nuts to send everyone out to pull up their weatherstripping. It looks like most would find some degree of rust. This will be a fix on demand problem. (But, there is probably a team of engineers scrambling to fix this for ’07 and beyond.)

  • Ken

    I am going to repeat a question from an earlier post, because I have not seen an answer, and I have the same question:

    what’s the best way to lift up the seal to check without damaging the seal?

    I have tried lifting the seal, and it won’t budge. Maybe the real question is:

    Why are some folks’ seals coming up so easily?

    Ken

  • Rich

    Hi All,

    I’m in the UK and have an 05 convertible. The warranty here says 2 years for paint and 6 years for perforation by rust. That suggests the rust warranty wouldn’t apply unless it was holed. The paint warranty says “..against defects such as blistering, discoloration or staining of the visible surface of all painted body panels..” So, it seems they could argue their way out of that one too as it’s not usually visible.

    Bottom line over here though is the 1979 Sale of Goods Act which says the item should be of “satisfactory quality”. This is regardless of any manufacturer warranty. It also covers things that might arise after the sale date that the purchaser could not be expected to check for at that time. On a car of this price rust would not be satisfactory imo but they still might argue it was not usually visible and make you wait to claim until it was. Problem then is that you should fix any problems as soon as they are known.

    My exp is that car manu’s will shirk anything they can after they have your money so hit them with this NOW and don’t let them off ’til they commit themselves to a line of procedure you are happy with. These are expensive cars and we have a right in sales law to expect them to be better than cheaper cars. The residuals will soon dive if they become known as rust buckets and the maker does not support them. I have a rust issue with our 4 year old VW Passat at the moment. Check your household insurance to see if you have legal cover and give them a ring to see how to progress. Rich.

  • Adam

    I have not had time to investigate this myself so I asked Morristown Mini to do this for me when they had my car in for the four year coolant flush.

    My car is a May build 2002 that has its share of woes so I am very nervous. Morristown Mini refused to check per the SA because the rep from miniusa said they could not break the rocker panels to investigate this.

    Am I crazy or is this a bogus line? What has everyone else done to investigate the issue without braking the car?

  • Mike

    It’s been over three months since MINI learned about this issue. What’s been done to notify owners and repair their cars? The silence has been deafening. Looks like this is going to be one of those silent recall items. The vast majority of MINI owners will never find out about this issue.

  • Copoly

    I agree Mike. I’m planning on writting a letter to MINI and compain with pictures.

  • http://mini2.co.za Timmee

    Any update on this issue?

  • brian

    Has anyone got this issue successfully resolved via Mini USA? Mine has been “on record” for about 6 months and I’m ready to slap a coat of POR-15 on it myself unless Mini USA has an official fix.

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