Evo, one of our favorite print mags at MotoringFile, compares the 2007 MCS to the new Renault Clio 197. Great article and a fascinating comparison. Here’s an excerpt:
>The goalposts may have shifted, but the F1-style diffuser (on the Renault Clio 197) has to count for something. Which makes it something of a surprise when, on our first twisty mountain ascent, the Cooper S (25bhp down, remember) steadily pulls away from the throughly wrung-out Clio 197. Going down the other side, the pair are evenly matches but, when the tarmac becomes steeper and more tortuous again, the MINI wrests back a decisive advantage.
>We stop to try to unravel what’s happening and conclude that it has nothing to do with cornering speed (though, interestingly, the Cooper S certainly feels grippier) and everything to do with torque. The Renault’s inadequacy in this department – easy enough to compensate for if you’re in the right frame of mind and not in a blinding hurry – is ruthlessly exposed by the MINI’s quite remarkable mid-range punch and the way it hurls itself out of bends and down the next straight, the Renault left revving its nuts off to little obvious effect in its wake. On these roads, it’s such a crippling body-blow to the Clio that we wonder if it can recover. Of the quality of the engine in the new Cooper S, BMW was adamant: it’s terrific. It is.
>It even makes all the right noises – burbly exhaust at tickover, throaty growl thereafter – and connects with beautifully judged ratios swapped by a slick, short-throw ‘box. It’s clearly a MINI, with that almost preternatural agility and directness, and boy, does it go. And yet, judged against the te,plate of the previous Cooper S, the driving experience, while obviously familiar, doesn’t gel quite as satisfyingly. It’s down to steering. True, it doesn’t whine annoyingly anymore, but neither does it feel as naturally detailed or fluent as it should. Super-sharp initial turn-in is followed by a disconcerting numbness and inconsistency of weighting that feeds through only patchy messages as to how the car is reacting. The front end doesn’t always feel completely nailed, either, reacting oddly over certain combinations of bumps where the old car would have felt utterly tied down.
>The good news is that, with just a little acclimatisation, you can drive through these oddities and really lean on the Cooper S to a degree you’d maybe think twice about the Clio Renault Sport. The extra kinematic scope of the revised rear suspension makes it, if anything, more adjustable.
You can read the entire article in October’s Evo.
<blockquote>And yet, judged against the te,plate of the previous Cooper S, the driving experience, while obviously familiar, doesn’t gel quite as satisfyingly.</blockquote>
Somehow I am oddly pleased that the R56 is not a resoundingly better version than my R53.
He lost me right around ‘whine annoyingly’ referring to the R53 supercharger. Annoying? Guess the Alta intake isn’t for him.
Samsontehsaxman, I believe the author is referring to the noise made by the power steering in the R53, and not the supercharger.
Yeah, the whine referred to is in the steering, and it has on occasion annoyed the hell outta me, but I live with it, like they have, because it’s part of an excellent package. The new ‘S’ is the winner going away in this comparison, ‘though they do leave room for improvement – they want more of the R53’s handling in the R56. Overall, an excellent comparison.
BCNU,
Rob in Dago
Good write-up!!
It’s starting to get very interesting – over in the UK, the 2007 MINI was launched on Nov 18 – the MINI2 2nd Gen MINI forums are starting to fill up with feedback from new Gen 2 owners, some of whom are previous R50/R53 owners. Initial feedback seems good, what will be interesting to get information on in addition to performance and handling, is the fuel consumption of the new models, which will come only after a few weeks of driving.
there is a short <a href="http://www.evo.co.uk/evotv/planetevovideos/203245/mini_cooper_s_v_clio_renaultsport_197.html" rel="nofollow">video</a> on the EVO site. Nothing special though…
Does anyone who has full access to the article know whether this was a UK spec’d Cooper S (as EVO is a UK-based mag)?
Sport button or no (as it’s not stock in Europe)?
Sport suspension or stock?
Limited slip?
Just curious… as these are technical changes that could effect some of the handling critisisms described.
I saw the new cooper today at my Mini dealer here in Germany. I must say that I am not rushing to be the first to have one.
I was surprised at how nice the leather interior is. I do like the dash board and speedo better than I thought I would. However, at least on the cooper I saw, there was no center console. The carpet goes all the way across the floor.
Side by side the newer cooper appears much bigger and very different. The hood line is not as pleasing. The section between the windshield and the hood is all plastic. The black plastic finders look snap on and not really part of the car.
I really must say it is just a different car! And, It will take some getting use to. Now I know why the owners of original coopers look the other way when I drive past.
Tom sez – “However, at least on the cooper I saw, there was no center console. The carpet goes all the way across the floor.”
Hey, way cool, now we share something with the….Corvair. 😉
BCNU,
Rob in Dago
Just happen to get a copy of the EVO magazine yesterday, in there there are quite a lot of downside of the R56 being mentioned but it do appeared in here , they only extract the best which I find unfair.
>Just happen to get a copy of the EVO magazine yesterday, in there there are quite a lot of downside of the R56 being mentioned but it do appeared in here , they only extract the best which I find unfair.
I would say the opposite.
Just read the same EVO article and I have to agree; lots of (negative) remarks about the interior and I think they echo some of the concerns from the R53 users. I think they should have been listed at the same time as the positive excerpts… the center console seems to bug almost everyone…
I’m just about to order an 07′ MCS. Should I go for sport suspension or not ? Most of the reviews seem to convince me not to…