After last week’s review of the R56, many of you asked how it was possible for the 2007 MCS to feel so much faster than previous version of the car with officially only a 5hp difference. The following link may shed some light no a potential answer. And this is just the latest addition to a growing list of impressive dyno results for the 2007 MCS – 177hp and 203lb-ft at the wheel no less. These in particular come from a vendor over at North American Motoring. Worth looking at… especially if you have an R56 on order and you can hardly wait to get behind the wheel.
[ More ’07 Dyno Results ] North American Motoring
MF Analysis: Dyno numbers can be odd things. While they seem to be cold hard fact, they can in reality, be a little misleading depending on how the tests were done. However the more high dyno numbers we see for the R56, the more apt we’re to believe them. With these latest results it’s starting to get pretty obvious that the seat of the pants power I felt in my recent test actually bear out in real numbers.
Things will get more interesting when the first tests are done on the upcoming Stage 1 JCW Kit (scheduled for release this July) – MINI’s first attempt at tuning the new engine.
That vendor (Mach V) is very near me. I think it would be really interesting to get an 05/06 stock R53, an 05/06 JCW R53, a GP and a stock R56 all there <strong>on the same day</strong> for a shootout test.
Mind you, the dyno results from DynoJet dynamometers are always higher than they are on other dynos. That doesn’t mean the R56 isn’t very impressive, it is. The closest comparisons I’ve seen so far (same dyno type, etc) showed the R56 had more torque than all of the R53 variants, but that the JCW & GP had more HP.
It’s all still armchair (or butt-dyno) comparisons without a same-day, same dyno test. 🙂
Mach V Dan’s results look pretty typical for an R56 MCS. My own R56 MCS achieved 171 wheel HP and 203 wheel Lb-Ft in bone-stock configuration, with curves looking pretty much identical to Dan’s. My pulls were also done on a Dynojet chassis dyno with SAE atmospheric correction.
Cheers,
Ryan
Those are impressive numbers from Dan and Ryan!
I’d like to see the NAM thread linked here, but I’ve been unable to access NAM for the past six days. A quick traceroute shows that this is likely a routing error at ThePlanet.com, NAM’s web hosting service, but ThePlanet.com has not been helpful, suggesting only that I contact NAM’s admins (which I am unable to do, since I can’t access NAM). Anyone else having a similar problem with NAM?
Fascinating information. But NAM isn’t working for me. I haven’t been able to get on the site for 5 days or so. Any idea why? Is it working for others?
I tried to resist but placed an order with David Olenick at Knauz yesterday. Week 23 build.
Butt dyno said—write a check. When the butt dyno speaks, car guys/gals listen.
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[whine]
but torque doens’t make the car go faster! it just fools inexperienced people and makes it <em>feel</em> like it is going faster. lots of people who don’t know the difference would think it’s faster when it’s not. Just look at the s2000 – it has no torque but it’s hella fast (at 8k rpm).
I’m going to also ignore the fact that the r56 has much more HP than the earlier models also since HP since is related to torque vs. RPM..
[/whine]
[/sarcasm]
I have not been able to access the NAM site from my computer at work all week. I can access from my home computer. Looking forward to the day when my MCS finally arrives.
Wish I could see these. NAM has been inaccessable to me for almost a week.
The problem is at NAM’s ISP. Mark Ferguson is trying to get them to resolve it. It only affects some ISPs, not all.
Does this work for NAM for you?
<a href="http://69.93.166.248" rel="nofollow ugc">http://69.93.166.248</a>
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Mark is trying to work this NAM issue out with ThePlanet (they’re not being very helpful so far).
. . . And now back to our regularly scheduled program.
<blockquote>Does this work for NAM for you?
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iNomis, thank you for your help – no, the links do not resolve the issue (at least, not for me). It is probably not a DNS problem – a traceroute has demonstrated that I am also able to obtain NAM’s IP address, but connection times out during the 16th hop at one of ThePlanet.com’s servers, which is indicative of a routing error at ThePlanet.com. I’m located in the East San Francisco Bay Area using AT&T/SBC/Yahoo DSL. My traceroute log is as follows:
Tracing route to northamericanmotoring.com [69.93.166.248]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 through 5 snipped
6 231 ms 10 ms 10 ms 151.164.251.246
7 12 ms 17 ms 289 ms ae-32-52.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.123.62]
8 11 ms 14 ms 17 ms ae-1-100.ebr1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.132.1]
9 21 ms 20 ms 19 ms ae-2.ebr1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.69.132.10]
10 34 ms 22 ms 31 ms ae-1-100.ebr2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.69.132.6]
11 133 ms 80 ms ae-3.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.132.78]
12 74 ms ae-24-56.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.176]
13 56 ms 56 ms 64 ms THE-PLANET.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.71.122.2]
14 185 ms 54 ms 55 ms te9-2.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com [70.87.253.30]
15 56 ms 56 ms 56 ms 7a.fd.5746.static.theplanet.com [70.87.253.122]
16 220 ms 55 ms 58 ms po2.car19.dllstx2.theplanet.com [12.96.160.36]
17 Request timed out.
18 * Request timed out.
Ian Cull was kind enough to provide me with Mark Ferguson’s e-mail address, but I haven’t heard back from Mark since I e-mail two days ago. It would be nice to know that someone is taking steps to resolve this, since ThePlanet.com has refused to acknowledge or investigate the problem.
Mark is aware of the problem. Many (myself included) have pestered him through NAM (I have access from work) on the Site Feedback forum. He has responded and knows that it’s an issue, and he is trying to resolve this through The Planet — ‘though he may not be resopnding to individual e-mails, he is trying to fix it.
The problem is not limited to a geographic region or specific IPS.
Thanks for the status update, eager2own. I’ve been working out of my home office, and there are no open WiFi networks nearby for me to leech from, so I’ve been unable to access NAM from other locations. VPN to other networks and trying to reach NAM through a proxy hasn’t panned out, either. It’s assuring to know that the NAM admins are working to resolve this, since MotoringFile and NAM go hand-in-hand for my daily MINI fix.
Not that I’ve got a lot of experience in fast or powerful cars, but my R56 MCS is by far the quickest and most fun car I have driven. I don’t care about the dyno numbers, just how it feels. amazingrando, you will no doubt enjoy your car.
I’m also in the East Bay Area and have had no problem getting into NAM. Weird that some of you have such difficulties.
Sorry this dyno article got hijacked by NAM concerns. As of now, I can see NAM for the first time since Saturday.
So much for the increased productivity of this week…
Bear in mind that this is an over-simplification; but doesnt Torque get you up to speed and Horsepower keep you at speed?
Torque gets you going HP keeps you going, that is correct…
How does this all fit in with the overboost functionality? Was taken into account? Turned off (is that possible)? What’s the maximum torque/HP figures while overboost is kicking in, according to the factory?