(In part two of our manual vs automatic debate we’re writing about the unyielding march of technology and how that’s actually a good thing — even for manual drivers).
The manual is a dying breed. Why? Because of progress. While rowing the gears of a manual can be a great experience, it’s simply time to move on and start experiencing new technology and new kinds of involvement.
But first, let’s talk about how the auto liberated the sports car and made all cars less boring. 40 years ago a sports car or even a sporty car rarely had an auto available. That meant manual transmissions were exclusive to those who knew how to drive them or those who could stomach the left foot shuffle that US traffic made mandatory. But as car makers started realizing that the lowly automatic could indeed be sporty, they started dropping them into everything. While some bemoaned the loss of a few sacred cows, it started to break down walls for many of us. In effect, it democratized sports cars for the masses.
However, the torque converter-equipped automatic transmission (which of course is in the current MINI*) still draws the ire of even auto driving enthusiasts. Enter the automated clutch. The first was the single clutch system used in everything from Ferrari’s F1 transmission that debuted in the 355, to the SMG found in most M cars in the 2000s. What the SMG lacked in finesse it made up for in feedback and speed. For the first time ever there was something faster than the manual. Oh, and it revolutionized racing.
Now we have something even better: the automatic dual clutch transmission. Where the single clutch systems got two-thirds of it right, the dual clutch transmission (DCT) did it all. Incredibly fast gear changes, matching revs on downshifts and docile behavior in stop and go traffic. It was obvious immediately that the DCT truly was the best of all worlds.
Duel clutch transmissions did one other thing. They killed the manual transmission. But don’t weep for the feedback and character lost with the manual. It’s coming back. Go watch this video of Chris Harris from EVO on the Ferrari 458 and fast forward to the 1:47 mark. Then fast forward to the 3:00 mark. Try doing that in a manual. The feedback and aural pleasure the manual drivers love? It’s all there, just in different places within the experience.
Nuances in the paddle designs, aural feedback and even differences in paddle feel are the kind of things the automotive companies will figure out. McLaren’s pre-cong system that gives the driver the ability to pre-select the next gear? This kind of thinking will push the automated manual to become more interactive and even more enjoyable for the normal driver and the enthusiast.
For that we say “thank God.” Because if the manual is going to die, we still want to have fun.
*And what of the current MINI automatic? We’ve reviewed it many times and, while not the worst out there, it does have a tendency to be slow to react in anything but the Countryman (which benefits from newer software). But in short it’s not that bad. We just can’t wait for MINI to move to a DCT option. Oh and fix that paddle design.
<p>I had a manual in my old mini.</p>
<p>Have an automatic in my new mini (2009). I leave it in direct steering mode (DS) 99% of the time. I love it. It’s like the best of both. Now that I have to drive 20 miles to work each day in both freeway and street I am super glad I no longer have the manual.</p>
<p>And It’s still damn fun to me!</p>
<p>(and then I kick it into sport mode. more fun!)</p>
<p>When I can no longer physically drive a manual transmission car – that is the day I will consider an automatic. Until then, I don’t care if I’m in the minority… give me the option to “row my own.” Not all Americans (or other folks) want to sit there like they’re on a damn couch. We want to be INVOLVED in the driving process.</p>
<p>For me, the key determinant is throttle control, especially for cornering. Fluid drive autos dilute it, manuals have it and the DCTs should have it too. I’d gladly use a DCT and left-foot braking.</p>
<p>To add to the “*”, I added the JCW tuning kit to my MCS and that does change the auto’s transmission to newer, optimized for sportier driving software and it drives as good if not better than the Clubman’s auto now.</p>
<p>I know Gabe, you just threw up a little hearing JCW and auto in the same sentence but I do love it!</p>
<p>Guess the real issue is the price point of the car, while the MINI automatic is decent, but its rather at the budget end of the equation in auto transmissions. When relying on a auto box that operated with more complex systems generally spending more money on the technology is a good thing for the end product. The downside to this is also more expensive systems to fix when they go wrong.</p>
<p>My fear is that right now the manual is base price, auto is +8-900$. I won’t be happy if the auto becomes base and the DCT is a $900 upcharge.</p>
<p>Where is the third part, ode to the CVT, or ode to the duel clutch? ;)</p>
<p>I can think of quite a few alternate options to spend $1,250 on instead of the Automatic!</p>
<p>well as a person with 111,000 on the cvt and who is six foot four, the cvt was the way to go without having to have knee surgery. yes i would have loved a manual, but i love the leg room for my left leg more. I will keep driving this machine until it falls apart, and hopefully by then mini and miniusa will have gotten off its ass and brought the diesel here.</p>
<p>I had the DCT on my 08 S3, it was a blast to drive, shifted so fast the exhaust buffeted.. But still, I ultimately missed my clutch pedal. Maybe when I’m old I’ll give it a go again. But for now, I remain a clutch man.</p>
<p>IN the olden days I could steer with my knees, clutch with one foot, shift gears, tune the radio & roll a joint & scan the newspaper all at the same time. In these days of advancing technology & a more appropriate world, we have the new automatic transmission to thank for at least an incremental improvement in safety. And I don’t read the newspaper anymore.</p>
<p>Even the Jaws of Life couldn’t pry my six-speed manual shift knob from the clutches of my right hand. Why would I give up the simplicity, lighter weight, and inexpensive maintenance costs of a six-speed, for the overly-complex, computer controlled, failure prone, expensive-as-hell-to-repair, and heavier automatic?</p>
<p>I like the fact that a manual gets better mpg than an automatic and cost less up front. So It saves money in the intial purchase and down the road. A clutch replacement is very expensive but if you know how to properly drive a manual it will last a long time. Plus it’s more fun to drive in my opinion.</p>
<p>And, speaking of the Coupe, tomorrow is February, Gabe. Do you know when photos and measurements of the production Coupe are coming?</p>
<p>Part of my annoyance with any kind of automatic transmission system (incl. SMG, DSG or otherwise) is when the computer overrides your decisions. In my opinion, if you’re in “manual mode” of an automatic, the <em>only</em> time the computer should override you is if you would take the engine past redline by downshifting too far. So – if the reason is protection of the engine (and the transmission itself!), fine… but that should be it! (If the computer sometimes overrides you, it isn’t really “manual” mode, is it?)</p>
<p>Problem is, every one I’ve driven (so far… and I fully admit there’s many that I haven’t yet) still sometimes overrides you (or delays your instruction) even when it wouldn’t be damaging. Ugh.</p>
<p>The other part of my annoyance with DCT tech is that the “pre-staging” of the next gear, for super-fast gear changes, uses predictive logic to decide which gear to queue up (the next gear? or the previous gear?). While it may be an accurate prediction much of the time, when it’s not, you have a <strong>much</strong> slower shift than the advertised one.</p>
<p>So… bring on the TCT! (Triple Clutch Transmission)… pre-stage <em>both</em> the gear above <strong>and</strong> below! :D</p>
<p>Until then…</p>
<p><a href="https://www.motoringfile.com/2010/09/28/keep-your-dsg-ill-take-a-manual/" rel="nofollow">Keep Your DSG. I’ll Take a Manual.</a></p>
<p>I believe that Andy has hit the nail on the head. There are people who drive and people(the vast majority)who, exist.</p>
<p>I sold my Manual car for a DSG. I miss the Manual terribly!!! My wife has a DSG gearbox in her car and it is fine for her. If you grew up before the video game era, as I did, you need a manual in your fleet!</p>
<p>I used to be a manual trans person. But as I have aged and not really in a hurry to get anywhere anymore, I must admit I have become an Auto trans person. Also, the commuting in stop/start traffic doing 15/20 mph max is more comfortable with an auto trans.
But being a motorsport fan, there is nothing like hearing a saloon race car accelerate through the gears with those precise manual gear changes and the blip of the throttle. The sound of a screaming Formula 1 car with the lastest technology gears does nothing for me.
Que sera sera.</p>
<p>The car I traded in for my Mini was a Civic Coupe with an automatic. I confess that I liked the automatic in the Civic. Getting back to a manual in My MCS, Winnie, was a new experience.</p>
<p>Shifting the MCS, particularly in Sport mode, is a joy and, to speak frankly, is not technically challenging. You just can’t get yourself bogged down in the wrong gear. It goes in all of them. The loaner base Mini I had for three (long) weeks was an entirely different beast.</p>
<p>You really need to work the base Mini’s gears to stay on top of the power curve. If I were to buy a non-S Mini, I’d get an automatic.</p>
<blockquote>You really need to work the base Mini’s gears to stay on top of the power curve. If I were to buy a non-S Mini, I’d get an automatic</blockquote>
<p>Interesting.. That is exactly why I enjoy the stick shift in my Cooper.</p>
<blockquote>Part of my annoyance with any kind of automatic transmission system (incl. SMG, DSG or otherwise) is when the computer overrides your decisions. In my opinion, if you’re in “manual mode†of an automatic, the only time the computer should override you is if you would take the engine past redline by downshifting too far. So – if the reason is protection of the engine (and the transmission itself!), fine… but that should be it! (If the computer sometimes overrides you, it isn’t really “manual†mode, is it?)
Problem is, every one I’ve driven (so far… and I fully admit there’s many that I haven’t yet) still sometimes overrides you (or delays your instruction) even when it wouldn’t be damaging. Ugh.
The other part of my annoyance with DCT tech is that the “pre-staging†of the next gear, for super-fast gear changes, uses predictive logic to decide which gear to queue up (the next gear? or the previous gear?). While it may be an accurate prediction much of the time, when it’s not, you have a much slower shift than the advertised one.
So… bring on the TCT! (Triple Clutch Transmission)… pre-stage both the gear above and below! 😀
Until then…
Keep Your DSG. I’ll Take a Manual.</blockquote>
<p>Very well said, my friend. These are my EXACT thoughts as well…</p>
<p>@ Steve: Totally. <a href="https://www.motoringfile.com/2007/07/25/motoringfile-exclusive-ask-stracco/" / rel="nofollow">Let’s not forget what Stracco once said</a> about the R56 Cooper with a manual. I have a ton of fun, and I routinely get between 36 and 38 mpg.</p>
<p>I just vomited a little bit…</p>
<p>I’ve driven auto’s with shift paddles before, and frankly I found it impossible to shift with the paddles. The accelerator in an automatic is like a go button. You want faster you push more. With a manual the throttle is much more interactive. I found the shift paddles completely confounding. Do I shift before I let up on the throttle, or not let up on the throttle at all? It was very dissatisfying.</p>
<p>My two comments about the Automatic: Sport mode locks out 6th gear. For my drive this ‘Best’ driving mode is not usable unless I want to drive in 5th on the Interstate.
Second the Auto can not be ‘4 down’ towed behind the RV. Once again my ‘Best’ drive is not usable when we travel to great drive places.I wish MINI would change these two ‘Features’.</p>
<p>You can have my manual when you pry the shifter from my cold, dead hands…</p>
<p>Well, these columns have done what was designed: started a heated, and rather content free, debate… People like what they like for lots of reasons, and that’s perfectly fine. What is sad is all the posturing about what is a better experience, as that is totally subjective.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
<p>Automatics have their place. Whether it be on your commuter car, or your F1 race car where every millisecond counts. Otherwise, i rather drive a manual base cooper, than an automatic ferrari.</p>
<p>paddle shifters, attached to a traditional auto, or a double clutch system, still removes too much of the driving experience for me.</p>
<p>If you have never driven a manual, i urge you all to learn. It is a truly great thing to know how to do well. Sure, i can miss a shift and the slower Toyota auto might beat me. But in my view, a manual transmission is not art of racing, it’s the art of driving. If i was paid to win and couldn’t afford mistakes and that was how i made a living, give me the dsg. But i drive in the real world sadly.</p>
<p>So true, Matt.</p>
<p>Automatic speaks loudly = girly car. Sorry if the truth hurts.</p>
<p>@Edge – the TCT suggestion made me LOL but is actually a very cool idea… :)</p>
<p>@DrOBNXS – I agree that the chest-thumping comments on both sides don’t add much to the debate, however, stating that “what is a better experience [driving with manual v. driving with auto] is entirely subjective” is ducking out a bit early… ;)</p>
<p>It would only be “entirely subjective” if we had a test subject who was equally versed in driving with both transmissions and who had no biases or predispositions towards either one. This latter test requirement is, of course, virtually impossible to achieve – HOWEVER – we can at least insist that anyone pronouncing a preference for one over the other have a minimum degree of ability and experience with both transmissions. Unfortunately, the majority of drivers in Canada/USA only have experience with the automatic transmission and, while they vote with their dollars and continue to purchase automatic cars, it is not an informed vote.</p>
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<p>I like the part where you say the automatic transmission democratized sports cars because it made it possible for the common man to drive a Ferrari.</p>