<p>The photos make the Clubman Concept noticeably longer than the current Clubman. Even so, to my eye this looks much more attractive than the 4-door Hardtop (which looks like something from MINI’s counterfeit ad from years ago).</p>
<p>What is the difference in size? Guessing 4-inches (ish)? Seems like niche-filling rather than a move toward a more minimal product line (as suggested by the recent MINI boardroom story about a revised strategy).</p>
<p>Based on previous reports, the F54 will be about 4″ ‘longer’ than the Countryman making it about 22 inches longer than the outgoing R56 & 18″ longer than the incoming F56.</p>
<p>It has also been noted that the 4 door F55 will be only be about 2″ longer than the F56 which equates to about 16″ shorter than the F54 Clubman.</p>
<p>The way I see it and based on dimensional specs:</p>
<p>Mini 4-door is sized to “compete” with VW Polo, Mazda 2, Honda Element, Prius C, etc. i.e. the Mini 4-dr is a luxury B-segment car.</p>
<p>Mini Clubman is sized to “compete” with VW Golf, Mazda 3, Ford Focus 5-dr, etc. Thus, a C-segment sized car. Compared directly with the VW MK7 Golf. the Clubman is 1″ shorter in length than Golf, 2 inches wider than Golf, and they are the same height at 57″.</p>
<p>I really hope they put a diesel in this for North America cause I want it bad, and in the concepts color scheme!</p>
<p>I wanted to hate it, since they put in 4 regular doors and made it a conventional-looking car… but, it’s nice. I think it will do well with the family crowd with small kids as an alternative to an amorphous minivan or giant SUV.</p>
<p>There is so much about this car that the F56 should have been….The styling is just so much cleaner on this. I dont care much for the tail lights though. But if this styling holds to production then I will be a buyer….. just get it on the lots already!
I have to say again that this car does not look like a F56 variant. I just can’t picture this car being made on the same production line as the F56.</p>
<p>These photographs show just how much longer and wider F54 is compared to F55. In particular the F54’s wheelbase and rear passenger doors are appreciably longer than those on the F55. No wonder BMW says that F54 will be a genuine alternative to the Golf Estate (Wagon).</p>
<p>Interestingly, Anders Warming said on Monday at the opening of the Geneva Show, that the seven seater MINI MPV has been put on ice, and that no MINI will be larger than the new Clubman and Countryman for the foreseeable future.</p>
<p>Most definitely not a genuine atlernative to the golf estate, unless you’re looking for a car a full foot shorter. It’s a genuine alternative to the Golf 5-dr hatch. Dimensions are almost identical. See my post above.</p>
<p>Statistically you are absolutely right, but you are overlooking the fact that MINI’s, ‘raison d’être’, is to be the smallest car in its particular class.</p>
<p>You are correct. That’s how I view Mini’s lineup and why it’s so annoying when people complaining about their sizes. I think that’s what people forget when they keep saying Mini isn’t “mini” anymore, beating a dead horse to death. It’s all relative.</p>
<p>For example:
Countryman is to Mini as Suburban is to Chevy
Clubman is to Mini as V60 is to Volvo
Cooper is to Mini as Golf is to VW
etc..etc..</p>
<p>you may say that two cars are not competitors because of 12in of length….But, we must cast aside this notion that we only cross-shop narrow segments. When I bought my MCS in 03 I was considering a WRX or Celica as the other options, not exactly comparables.
I will tell you as someone who is in this market that they absolutely alternatives to each other. My decision is almost exclusively between the future sportwagen and future clubman….It is going to very difficult for me to not buy the first to market….Or maybe I will just go ‘merican on y’all and buy a quad cab truck and start the kids into karting.</p>
<p>Good GOD that thing is hideous…are they trying to compete with the Ford Flex now? the “F” gen really stands for Failure or F**ked… and here i thought they couldnt get any worse after the 4 door hardtop…boy was i wrong…concept or not…blech</p>
<p>Want to see in person to get a better sense of the dimensions. As another stated the doors look huge. I think another wheel/tire design will really change the look. Get a “sportier” wheel.</p>
<p>I love it too. I loved all the Mini concepts. What a shame that Mini haven’t actually delivered on their ‘concepts’ though, so I don’t hold out any hope that it will look much like this when it hits the showroom.</p>
<p>I love it too. I loved all the Mini concepts. What a shame that Mini haven’t actually delivered on their ‘concepts’ though, so I don’t hold out any hope that it will look much like this when it hits the showroom.</p>
<p>The vehicle isn’t long enough. It needs to be s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d at least another three feet and incorporate a 3rd axle. For cruising East Los Angeles and optional “low rider” pneumatic suspension system should be offered. Viva La MINI!</p>
<p>The vehicle isn’t long enough. It needs to be s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d at least another three feet and incorporate a 3rd axle. For cruising East Los Angeles an optional “low rider” pneumatic suspension system should be offered. Viva La MINI!</p>
<p>Love the center exhaust and would love to see the air inlets and outlets make the production model.</p>
<p>The wheels are massive. Are those 20s?</p>
<p>The wheels are massive. Are those 20s?</p>
<p>It’s a Concept….they usually exaggerate a lot of those features.</p>
<p>19s with white walls.</p>
<p>The photos make the Clubman Concept noticeably longer than the current Clubman. Even so, to my eye this looks much more attractive than the 4-door Hardtop (which looks like something from MINI’s counterfeit ad from years ago).</p>
<p>Why in the heck is MINI building both of these cars (<a href="http://disq.us/8hftax" rel="nofollow ugc">http://disq.us/8hftax</a>) … Simply because they can?</p>
<p>Because they’re two different sizes. The new Clubman is a bigger car than the new 4-door Hardtop. They will also likely be priced accordingly.</p>
<p>What is the difference in size? Guessing 4-inches (ish)? Seems like niche-filling rather than a move toward a more minimal product line (as suggested by the recent MINI boardroom story about a revised strategy).</p>
<p>Definitely see BMW styling cues. More detailed photos here: <a href="http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/03/05/2014-geneva-motor-show-mini-clubman-concept/#jp-carousel-120894" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/03/05/2014-geneva-motor-show-mini-clubman-concept/#jp-carousel-120894</a></p>
<p>Based on previous reports, the F54 will be about 4″ ‘longer’ than the Countryman making it about 22 inches longer than the outgoing R56 & 18″ longer than the incoming F56.</p>
<p>It has also been noted that the 4 door F55 will be only be about 2″ longer than the F56 which equates to about 16″ shorter than the F54 Clubman.</p>
<p>The way I see it and based on dimensional specs:</p>
<p>Mini 4-door is sized to “compete” with VW Polo, Mazda 2, Honda Element, Prius C, etc. i.e. the Mini 4-dr is a luxury B-segment car.</p>
<p>Mini Clubman is sized to “compete” with VW Golf, Mazda 3, Ford Focus 5-dr, etc. Thus, a C-segment sized car. Compared directly with the VW MK7 Golf. the Clubman is 1″ shorter in length than Golf, 2 inches wider than Golf, and they are the same height at 57″.</p>
<p>I really hope they put a diesel in this for North America cause I want it bad, and in the concepts color scheme!</p>
<p>MINI Pacman
Fugly</p>
<p>I wanted to hate it, since they put in 4 regular doors and made it a conventional-looking car… but, it’s nice. I think it will do well with the family crowd with small kids as an alternative to an amorphous minivan or giant SUV.</p>
<p>There is so much about this car that the F56 should have been….The styling is just so much cleaner on this. I dont care much for the tail lights though. But if this styling holds to production then I will be a buyer….. just get it on the lots already!
I have to say again that this car does not look like a F56 variant. I just can’t picture this car being made on the same production line as the F56.</p>
<p>These photographs show just how much longer and wider F54 is compared to F55. In particular the F54’s wheelbase and rear passenger doors are appreciably longer than those on the F55. No wonder BMW says that F54 will be a genuine alternative to the Golf Estate (Wagon).</p>
<p>Interestingly, Anders Warming said on Monday at the opening of the Geneva Show, that the seven seater MINI MPV has been put on ice, and that no MINI will be larger than the new Clubman and Countryman for the foreseeable future.</p>
<p>Most definitely not a genuine atlernative to the golf estate, unless you’re looking for a car a full foot shorter. It’s a genuine alternative to the Golf 5-dr hatch. Dimensions are almost identical. See my post above.</p>
<p>Statistically you are absolutely right, but you are overlooking the fact that MINI’s, ‘raison d’être’, is to be the smallest car in its particular class.</p>
<p>Or at the very least, to be the cleverest users of space in that particular class.</p>
<p>You are correct. That’s how I view Mini’s lineup and why it’s so annoying when people complaining about their sizes. I think that’s what people forget when they keep saying Mini isn’t “mini” anymore, beating a dead horse to death. It’s all relative.</p>
<p>For example:
Countryman is to Mini as Suburban is to Chevy
Clubman is to Mini as V60 is to Volvo
Cooper is to Mini as Golf is to VW
etc..etc..</p>
<p>you may say that two cars are not competitors because of 12in of length….But, we must cast aside this notion that we only cross-shop narrow segments. When I bought my MCS in 03 I was considering a WRX or Celica as the other options, not exactly comparables.
I will tell you as someone who is in this market that they absolutely alternatives to each other. My decision is almost exclusively between the future sportwagen and future clubman….It is going to very difficult for me to not buy the first to market….Or maybe I will just go ‘merican on y’all and buy a quad cab truck and start the kids into karting.</p>
<p>a very good looking car. I’d buy it for the family and keep modding my R56…</p>
<p>Good GOD that thing is hideous…are they trying to compete with the Ford Flex now? the “F” gen really stands for Failure or F**ked… and here i thought they couldnt get any worse after the 4 door hardtop…boy was i wrong…concept or not…blech</p>
<p>I wish the rear passenger were reverse opening. I like the lines but the interior should be more MINI and less BMW. I like the taillights.</p>
<p>I await the production model – and of course the up charge for the new stuff.</p>
<p>Want to see in person to get a better sense of the dimensions. As another stated the doors look huge. I think another wheel/tire design will really change the look. Get a “sportier” wheel.</p>
<p>Best looking MINI yet.</p>
<p>Did you happen to catch the tire specs for the rubber on those gangsta wheels?</p>
<p>I guess not… :-(</p>
<p>Not one bad angle on this car … perfect!</p>
<p>How much more rear passenger space are we talking about compared to the CM?</p>
<p>I love it too. I loved all the Mini concepts. What a shame that Mini haven’t actually delivered on their ‘concepts’ though, so I don’t hold out any hope that it will look much like this when it hits the showroom.</p>
<p>I love it too. I loved all the Mini concepts. What a shame that Mini haven’t actually delivered on their ‘concepts’ though, so I don’t hold out any hope that it will look much like this when it hits the showroom.</p>
<p>Still have to say this is the development the R60 should have been in my view.</p>
<p>Reminds me of an axolotl, the Mexican salamander.</p>
<p>The vehicle isn’t long enough. It needs to be s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d at least another three feet and incorporate a 3rd axle. For cruising East Los Angeles and optional “low rider” pneumatic suspension system should be offered. Viva La MINI!</p>
<p>The vehicle isn’t long enough. It needs to be s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d at least another three feet and incorporate a 3rd axle. For cruising East Los Angeles an optional “low rider” pneumatic suspension system should be offered. Viva La MINI!</p>
<p>I thought it was a stretch limo</p>
<p>surprised nobody has said how much the front end looks like the Rocketman. First thing that came to me.</p>