The BMW 1 Series Coupe: Your Thoughts

We at MotoringFile have been waiting for this day for several years now. Since the BMW 1 Series five-door hatch was released a couple years ago, we’ve asked our readers several times how a small BMW coupe would impact your MINI ownership. Well today is the day that the official announcement was made by BMW North America. The new 1 Series coupe will not only be available in the UK and Europe but (unlike the three and five door hatch) will be available in North America as well. Starting in 2008, the North American market will get a de-tuned version of the 3.0L engine producing 230hp and the much talked about 3.0L twin-turbo with 300hp. While we fully expect the low-end coupe (the 128i) to start near $30k and a fully specced out 135i to go beyond $40k, we can’t help but wonder how this will impact some MINI sales.
As someone who has had an affinity for small BMW coupes since the 2002, I’ve personally been waiting for a car like this since I was old enough to drive – and perhaps even before. 50/50 weight distribution, fairly lightweight with rear-wheel drive and that famous BMW handling and performance, this car has all it takes to be an exceptional driver. In fact many are looking at it as the first true successor to such famous cars as the 2002 and E30 3 Series.
So let’s hear your thoughts. Does the 230hp 128i or even the 300hp 135i make you re-think your MINI ownership? Or is your affinity for the MINI too strong for this Bavarian teutonic goodness.
You can read the full BMW North American press release below:
BMW will introduce a modern and authentic performance coupe that draws inspiration from its iconic 2002 models of some 40 years ago. The next BMW legend, the 1 Series Coupe, represents the core BMW philosophies of pure performance and premium design. By combining sporty rear-wheel-drive dynamics, agile handling, powerful engines and seating for four, the 1 Series Coupe will reinvent the niche that the legendary BMW 2002 created.
On sale in the spring of 2008, the 1 Series Coupe will be available in two versions; the 128i and the 135i. Powered by a 3.0-liter, 230 horsepower inline 6-cyinder engine that generates 200 lb-ft of torque, the 128i Coupe will feature Valvetronic valvetrain management and aluminum/magnesium contruction-core elements of BMW’s EfficientDynamics. The powerful 135i Coupe features BMW’s twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder engine that produces 300 horsepower and an incredible 300 lb-ft of torque from as low as 1,400 rpm. With its direct piezo gasoline injectors, twin low-mass turbochargers and air-to-air intercooling, optimum performance and economy is achieved with no loss in engine response. For the 135i Coupe, acceleration from 0-62 mph is accomplished in 5.3 seconds and top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph. Both engines feature on-demand engine coolant pumps that improve fuel economy and reduce parasitic losses for increased output.
Handsome looks with sporting intentions: The new 1 Series Coupe combines unique, dynamic and unmistakable design elements with a powerful and muscular body. The greenhouse with its characteristic “Hofmeister kink” is moved rearward and offers a particularly nimble look with its long hood. The short overhangs, long wheelbase and large frameless doors sit on a body with a striking shoulder line for a modern interpretation of BMW’s characteristic look. On the 135i Coupe, an M Aerodynamic Kit is standard.
The 1 Series boasts aggressive rear end styling. The trunklid has an integrated spoiler chiselled into the rear end of the car to accentuate the short rear section. On the 135i, an additional lip spoiler provides greater downforce on the rear end at high speeds.
The individual sections within the L-shaped rear taillights give the vehicle a lower, sportier look. Horizontal lights integrated in the rear light clusters offer a homogeneous lighting effect with the help of light-emitting diodes (LEDs). This light design, as found on other BMW models, makes the BMW 1 Series Coupe stand out at night. Also, the Adaptive Brakelights operating in two stages in relation to brake application force are yet another feature typical of BMW, with the additional benefit of extra safety on the road.
The standard Adaptive Xenon headlights (optional on the 128i) complete with integrated Cornering Lights make driving in the dark safer than ever. The daytime headlight function in typical BMW style with two corona rings on each headlight unit enhances the perception of the car under normal and “murky” light conditions.
Luxurious interior appointments with today’s technology: The innovative interior design incorporates high-quality and sophisticated trim elements with luxurious upholstery and color choices. A 60/40 split rear seat is standard. The control console for the entertainment and air conditioning functions is integrated smoothly and harmoniously into the dashboard through its soft radii and flowing surfaces. The controller featured in the iDrive system with the optional Navigation system is integrated in the center console, again following BMW’s characteristic philosophy. Galvanized pearl gloss surfaces adorn the interior door handles, the glove compartment handle, the radio’s rotary knobs, the knobs of the automatic air conditioning system, the iDrive Controller, and the ornamental trim strips featured on the sports steering wheel.
The BMW 1 Series Coupe is available with a choice of two upholstery options-sporty and comfortable Leatherette or rich Boston Leather. Boston Leather upholstery adds further style to the high-quality impression of the interior. And as a practical feature, map pockets are integrated in the lower part of the doors. The optional Sport Package includes sports buckets seats with enhanced side support and are finished in highly distinctive leatherette materials or Boston leather.
Enhanced iDrive and integration of an external MP3 player: BMW’s iDrive is included with the optional navigation system. It enables the driver to control all secondary and comfort functions such as communication, air conditioning, entertainment and navigation functions easily and conveniently.
This latest version of iDrive is equipped with six Programmable Memory Keys that allow the driver to program functions that are used particularly often such as navigation destinations, radio stations or specific telephone numbers. Touch-sensative sensors on these buttons preview the function on the iDrive screen before the button is depressed. This allows the driver to choose the stored function safely and conveniently, keeping his or her eyes on the road in the process.
A wide choice of audio and communication are also available, never before seen in the compact performance market. These features include SIRIUS satellite radio, HD radio, Premium Sound system and Bluetooth interface. For simple and straightforward connection of an MP3 player, an Auxiliary input jack is standard, and a USB port for direct control of an Apple iPod or iPhone media player is available as an option.
High-tech suspension with newly-developed differential: In typical BMW style, the new BMW 1 Series Coupe transmits the power of the engine to the rear wheels. This design concept and configuration – engine at the front, drive wheels at the rear – guarantees optimum traction, good weight distribution front-to-rear, excellent directional stability, and predictable handling.
The new 1 Series Coupe has a sophisticated suspension system with an aluminium double-pivot front suspension and a five-link fully independent rear suspension in lightweight steel. BMW’s Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) also includes a Dynamic Traction Control (DTC) function that provides electronic intervention to prevent loss of vehicle control, but at a higher threshold before activation. This allows the driver to experience more spirited driving on dry roads and offers more flexibility when driving in more challenging conditions such as in the snow. If the driver desires, both DSC and DTC can be disabled entirely. Active Steering, a variable ratio steering system exclusive to BMW, is available as an option. The DSC system on the 135i Coupe is designed specifically for performance-oriented driving. For instance, the accelerator pedal has a quicker response rate and electronic rear brake management is used to simulate a differential lock for stronger acceleration in turns.
The rear differential on the 1 Series comes from a new generation of final drives optimized for running smoothness. Featuring double-helical ball bearings for the first time, the differential runs at an even lower operating temperature reached more quickly than before thanks to the reduction of fluid required in the differential.
The front suspension on the BMW 1 Series is also built to a standard quite unique to its competitive group. The double-pivot spring and strut front suspension with its anti-roll bar, is made largely of aluminium and offers an optimum combination of stiffness and low weight. The very stable track control arms and thrust rods, as well as exact wheel guidance, make an important contribution to the car’s driving dynamics.
High safety standards exceed international requirements: No less than six airbags come standard within the new BMW 1 Series Coupe for optimum protection of the car’s occupants. The advanced frontal airbags are activated in stages in relation to impact severity while the side airbags integrated into the sides of the front seat backrests reduce the risk of injury at chest and hip levels in side impact situations. HPS (Head Protection System) side curtain airbags fitted in the roof lining protect both the occupants on the front seats and the passengers at the rear. The new BMW 1 Series Coupe also comes with crash-optimized seats with specially padded headrests and backrests significantly reducing the risk of injury in an impact from the rear.
All seats within the 1 Series Coupe are fitted with three-point inertia-reel seat belts and headrests, with the front seat belts fastened on the frames of the driver’s and front passenger’s seats, keeping the belt in an optimum position around the occupant’s hips regardless of seat height or for-aft seat adjustment.
Also, the driver’s pedals move back automatically with a predetermined amount of deformation in the event of a frontal collision so that the risk of driver foot injury is reduced. And last but not least, the rear seats come standard with LATCH attachments for child seats.
M-inspired performance for the 135i Coupe
The 135i Coupe offers more performance and a striking look thanks to M-inspired components. Features include an Aero kit for additional downforce at speed, better brake cooling and enhanced aesthetics while the Sports Suspension offers higher traction and reduced body roll with 18-inch wheels and performance tires. The Sports Suspension also includes with a high-performance brake system incorporating six-piston fixed calipers on the front and two-piston fixed calipers at the rear.
BMW Ultimate ServiceTM:
Providing owners with incredible value and peace of mind
The BMW 1 Series Coupe will feature BMW Ultimate ServiceTM, a suite of services that includes the BMW Maintenance Program (formerly called Full Maintenance), Roadside Assistance and the New Vehicle Limited Warranty. BMW AssistTM with TeleService is part of the optional Premium Package or can be ordered separately as a stand-along option.
BMW Ultimate ServiceTM includes: The BMW Maintenance Program is the only no-cost maintenance program in the industry that covers wear and tear items like brake pads and rotors for 4 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. BMW owners pay nothing for all scheduled inspections, oil changes, brake pads, wiper blade inserts and other wear-and-tear items.
BMW Roadside Assistance is one of the industry’s most comprehensive plans available. Not only is it no-charge for the first 4 years, but there is no mileage limit. BMW drivers enjoy the assurance of on-the-road help 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, anywhere in the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico. This includes everything from flat tire changes, emergency gasoline and lock-out assistance, to towing, alternative transportation and even trip-interruption benefits. This service also includes valuable trip routing advice.
BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty: All 2008 BMW passenger vehicles are covered by BMW’s excellent Limited Warranty, which includes:
* New-vehicle warranty – 4-year/50,000-mile coverage of the vehicle.
* Rust-perforation warranty – 12-year/unlimited-mileage coverage.
BMW AssistTM provides the driver with services that enhance on-the-road security and convenience, for added peace of mind. It is a part of the optional Premium package and can also be ordered separately as a stand-alone option. BMW is the only vehicle manufacturer that offers this service for 4 years at no additional cost. Most other manufacturers cover only the first year of service.
The in-vehicle equipment for BMW AssistTM includes GPS technology and hands-free communication functions accessed via buttons in the overhead or center console. Vehicle occupants may request emergency or other services simply by pressing a button; the BMW AssistTM system then transmits the location and vehicle information to the BMW AssistTM Response Center. A response specialist will then speak with the occupants to coordinate dispatch, notify emergency contacts on file, and link BMW Roadside Assistance or emergency services as needed and requested. A severe accident automatically activates the BMW AssistTM call as well. The BMW AssistTM Safety Plan also includes Remote Door Unlock and Stolen Vehicle Recovery services, which can save the owner time and money.
TeleService automatically notifies the BMW center when a vehicle will need service. This feature allows the Service Advisor to proactively set up a customer appointment and have the needed parts ready.
BMW AssistTM subscribers can also enroll in the BMW AssistTM Convenience Plan (available at an additional cost of $199 per year) to avail themselves to many BMW AssistTM Concierge services, from travel planning to dining reservations, shopping assistance and event tickets, as well as receive directions, and traffic and weather information. A selected destination and its phone number can be sent directly to the on-board navigation system and Bluetooth®–linked mobile phone, after a push of the new Concierge button. The Convenience Plan also includes Critical Calling, a new service that connects the driver in case their mobile phone is not in the vehicle or its battery is discharged. After pushing the SOS button, a BMW AssistTM response specialist will link the driver to his requested party for up to five minutes and for up to four events per year.
As before, the BMW AssistTM system includes Bluetooth® hands-free phone connectivity with hands-free phonebook access and dialing by name or number via the steering wheel controls. Use of this feature requires a customer-provided compatible Bluetooth® mobile phone.
Performance with a conscience: BMW strives to produce its motor vehicles and other products with the utmost attention to environmental compatibility and protection. Integrated into the design and development of BMW automobiles are such criteria as resource efficiency and emission control in production; environmentally responsible selection of materials; recyclability during production and within the vehicle; elimination of CFCs and hazardous materials in production; and continuing research into environmentally friendly automotive power sources. Tangible results of these efforts include the recycling of bumper cladding into other vehicle components; water-based paint color coats and powder clear coats; near-future availability of hydrogen-powered models; and various design and engineering elements that help make BMWs easier to dismantle at the end of their service life.
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Nope, doesn’t really blow me away. While I can say that these cars should do well I don’t see any real comparisons to the Mini brand. Yes I know its more powerful, faster, etc, etc, at the end of the day its just another BMW going down the road. Even with a million Mini’s being driven across the globe I adore that I still drive sometimes several days without seeing another mini. Meanwhile a 135i would be just one of a hundred BMW’s I see daily.
As I watch BMW drive by the only time that I ever even bother to pay them any attention unless its a M car. BMW has a ton going for it but the main difference I see is that every Mini driver is driving a car that has some good other choices on the market. A large number of BMW owners are driving the car for the status symbol. Two very different cars for sure.
From what I’ve seen so far, I like this car a lot. It will very likely be the car to replace my ’05 MCS. But then I’ve always been a big BMW fan and I figure it’s always just been a matter of time until I get a BMW.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IWpSMwsKzE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IWpSMwsKzE</a>
… and it sounds fantastic.
I think BMW’s own 3 Series Coupe has more to fear from the 1 Series, or vice versa.
I agree with Timothy. It’s a neat little car, but this satisfies none of the itches that led me to buy a MINI.
Hmmn, a low end BMW or a High end MINI?
It would be cool yes, the name yes, low end hmmn 240 horse I like, 300 I like even better. Could get a subie for less,(30k) I am sure and still get the 300 ponies. Hmmn with a lot less options.
Naw, just save up for an M3 and do it right.
Hmmn, I just watched that video and It may have just changed my mind, maybe.
Naw, M3
What I want to know is what do you think Gabe, would you trade in your R56 for this?
No mention of available transmissions… the only way I’d be remotely interested in one of these things is if it comes in a manual transmission. If so, I’d take a test drive in a 135i…
How about a future M version? M1? 🙂
The 2002 was my first love! I see the 135i (and the 128i) as just the revival, from the size, shape, green house design and hopefully raw feelings. I’m expecting the base 135i price in the $35k range which would make it perfect. As I was ready to put a Mini Cooper S order in the next week or two, I find myself now waiting for the 135i availability news.
I’m wondering where the actual sales pricing will be – some BMW dealers seem to have enough qualms accepting MINI drivers in the fold, let alone a budget six that possibly will directly bleed off sales from the 3-series, so I wonder if there will be some “adjustments” there. Personally, I’ve other factors for staying with a MINI for my next purchase, but my first thought when I saw this a while ago, before the press release, mirrored Hossam’s – it’s a 2002 reincarnation, as it seems intended to be such. I like it much better than the other 1-series offerings I’ve seen from over the border on occasion, but the MINI is very much the iconic hot-hatch car of this era, and I think that market is segmented enough to have one of each – there’s a thought!
I hate that I can’t afford my MINI and the 135 both. I’ll just have to keep my MINI (darn huh?).
Edge – the one in the video had a stick shift.
Love my R53 MCS but if an M version of the 1 series appears i would definitely consider it.
Having said that i do think the 3 series has more to worry about though.
<blockquote>Edge – the one in the video had a stick shift.</blockquote>
Awesome! Just as long as they don’t do something stupid like not sell it in the USA market. 🙂
It may be a relatively small price difference between a tricked out Cooper S and one of these. However this car does not excite me design wise in the same way the Mini does… If it’s pure power you’re lusting after, why not wait a little longer for the stage II JCW or even the new challenge car? Much more exciting!
i might rethink my MINI for a 1-series, simply because it looks quite cool and odds are it’ll be an incredible performer, but +$40k for a loaded out compact car??? thats when i would decide to stick with my MINI
Hmm…although the BMW 3 series has run-flats, very much similar to my Mini R53, I hope the ride is much much forgiving in the 1-series, without giving up on the go-kart driving nature of it!…Alas, driving along the pot-hole riddened LAke Shore Drive in Chicago every morning makes me cringed…urgh!…hopeful that the 2008 WRX STi looks promising….vs the Mitsu Evo X…dreamy!!
I’ve been kind of drooling after the 1er hatch that the European market’s had for a while. I’m really disappointed with the design of this coupé, but I’ll still be checking it out at the dealership next spring. I don’t think the price is going to be as high as you’re predicting, Gabe. If the 135i is under $35k, I’m definitely interested. But it would have to be a remarkable performer to pull me away from my R53, and the coupé isn’t something that I could replace my rather decrepit Jeep with (whereas with the hatch I could haul my dogs in just as much comfort). I also have no need for a third vehicle. Until the MINI’s design becomes appealing to me again I won’t be getting rid of my R53. Until there’s a good-performing, reasonably priced, relatively utilitarian 1-series-alike, I won’t be adding a third car to my stable or replacing my Jeep.
<blockquote>As someone who has had an affinity for small BMW coupes since the 2002, I’ve personally been waiting for a car like this since I was old enough to drive – and perhaps even before. 50/50 weight distribution, fairly lightweight with rear-wheel drive and that famous BMW handling and performance, this car has all it takes to be an exceptional driver. In fact many are looking at it as the first true successor to such famous cars as the 2002 and E30 3 Series.</blockquote>
I couldn’t agree with you more!!! This is the one car that I’ve been waiting all my (driving) life to have (aside from a restored 2002). It’s the perfect combination of everything I expect out of a car.
On the flipside, I’ve fallen for my my MINI, this commuity and the ‘motoring’ lifestyle. I have never felt so at home with any other brand of car besides the MINI. I’ve often wondered if a BMW would still be a good fit for me, but seeing this car brings me back to my passion for the BMW brand.
Will I get one? Heck yeah (someday – depending on if it really meets my expectations). Will I get rid of the MINI to do so? Hell NO! I’m just going to need a bigger garage.
PLUS (another reason for keeping the MINI)….
I don’t think my MotoringBadges will look as cool on the 1-Series. 😉
I don’t see this as an option instead of a MINI. If they bring the 5-door hatch, I’d be interested. But that wouldn’t be instead of the MINI – it would fill a different need for our family. I’ve seen the hatch in Austria. It looks great. I wish it were coming to the US.
Not even tempted by this offering.
If it starts at 25 grand I’ll be interested in trading up for my wifes Accord .30 grand probably not.I got a 325I for a loaner last week , it was no fun at all it sat in my garage for 3 days and I drove my work truck instead.
If there is one car that could make me give up my MCS and the great MINI community, this is it.
Cool to be sure, I can’t imagine spending that kind of money on a ‘low-end’ car.
If I’m going to think about getting a car with 4 doors, I’ll go older 5 series. More space, more power and about the same price.
But really? I’d rather have a Clubman S or D
>What I want to know is what do you think Gabe, would you trade in your R56 for this?
In a way I made my decision when I ordered my new car. The 1 Series coming to the US in 2008 has been widely known for years and it’s something I’ve come to terms with you could say. For me on paper, the 1 is the perfect combination of everything I want in a car. I don’t get into the status symbol thing… my first memories of BMWs was being under the hood of my dad’s 2002. Let other people be hung up on that. I like cars and like to drive, and BMWs and this 1 Series are meant for people who like to drive. And yes Edge, it will have a manual transmission as standard.. As with all BMWs (except the 7 and the Euro/UK versions of the M5/M6) you can of course get a manual – one of the reasons enthusiasts tend to respect the brand so much.
I’ve had five 3 Series over the years and loved all of them (except maybe the one with an auto). I can always guarantee that there will always be at least one BMW parked in my garage. I think that’s part of the reason I won’t be getting the 1. I have a great 3 Series in there right now. It’s the perfect compliment to the MINI. And (as I said in a previous post) the MINI is the perfect car to fill my needs along with my 3 Series. Especially the JCW MCS I’m getting 🙂
Personally if I was looking at a BMW i the $40k range, it would be to replace our current E46. And if not, it would have an “M” badge on it.
Well, I wonder where the Dealer will place you in their “ownership spectrum”? Will they treat you as a Bottom-of-the-Rung BMW owner; or slightly above a MINI owner…and eligible to receive a loaner while your car is in for service?
Bimmers are OK; but the MINI community is heads and tails above the BMW owners I know today. Maybe a 2002-like vehicle will re-ignite the sparks that flew when that car made up the bulk of Bavarian ownership in the US that we saw in the 70’s
Like others have said this is a very different car than a MINI. I hear a 135 calling me, but at 40k+ I would have to take a close look at how it stacks up against other cars. I think I would pic a 128 over a 325.
It’s no doubt an excellent ride.
But it doesn’t have the sly grin that says, “Wanna motor?” It just says, “I’m good. If you can afford me, buy me.”
BMW’s are fine driving machines, but they are not playful. They have no sense of humor.
If BMW sent out a stencil to new buyers, saying, “BMW PARKING ONLY” — they’d mean it!
I’m glad that the MINI side of BMW has that sense of humor. It’s an image I enjoy. I would pass on the 135i.
I don’t see the comparison. The 1 series is a nice car but it’s just another BMW choice. Do I want a 1, 3, 5, 6, 8. Same car different levels of cost.
This is like comparing apples and oranges.
After watching the youtube video on the 135i, I’m even more intrigued by this car. The engine is lust-worthy, but the price is just too high at this time for me. Someday, maybe!
If they brought over the 3 door Hatch with 300 hp, I’d seriously consider it….
but… then I’d have to buy a truck and trailer; and then strip out the MINI to make it a dedicated track car… 🙂
My MCS warranty will be up in February, 2008 and I plan on moving on to either a new R56 MCW JCW or the 135i. The 135 makes sense from a brand progression perspective.
I just wonder if I’ll feel a pang of guilt every time I see a MINI drive by.
I just came back from 2 months in Europe, and I’ve had lots of time to make up my mind about the 1 series. One of my friends over there sold her MINI and bought a 1 series because she desperately needed a 4-door car. We went out for dinner in it, and I do have to admit that it was really nice. The interior and material qualities reminded me of the 3 series and it drove very much like it as well. I also like the body style better than the 3 series. I drove hers around the area for half an hour or so and had the same sort of satisfaction as when I drive a 3 series.
That being said, I would never consider a 1 series over a MINI. I don’t like how the 1 series is a BMW. What I mean by that, is I like the character and style that the MINI offers. Last night was the monthly MINI meet with my local club, and I know that the 1 series won’t offer that social and community aspect that the MINI has. Going to MINI United a week ago reconfirmed that the MINI is not just another car and it’s going to appeal to people, like me, who want a car with personality, performance, … etc!
<blockquote>… a fully specced out 135i to go beyond $40k</blockquote>
Just built a BMW 335i with metallic paint and Sports Package (sport seats and 18″ wheels) for $43,150. Leather seats would add another $1,450.
I would expect a 135i to be at least $5K less.
I would too. But keep in mind the 335i you built only had two options.
comparing the 1-series to the mini really is like comparing apples to oranges. i like the 1 a lot, especially the 128i due to its cheap price, but 30k is still a little too steep. the old 318ti started at 22k, i think, tho nobody bought it. if they made the 128i $5k cheaper, there’ll be no stopping it market-wise. just out of curiosity, how much was the 2002 when it came out?
No doubt the BMW1 is a powerful little car, however the one thing no BMW will ever be able to replicate is the feeling of the Mini. How often has any BMW driver raised their hand to wave at another, when was the last time BMWUSA arranged a cross country drive, how about a party for its buyers world wide? There are several BMW clubs running around but none of them that I have experienced has the feeling of the Mini Clubs that I have seen. For me the community is a large part of the Mini experience.
I have owned a few nice BMW’s before but seriously can say that never once setting at a light has somebody smiled at my car. I could park them in any lot and expect to not see anybody checking out the car when I come back to it.
Plain and simple these cars are not even close to being comparable.
It’s not appealing in the least-too spendy!
If I wanted a fun-driving great-handling rear-drive car with 50/50 weight distribution, I’d buy a Miata for a fraction of the price-or a stripper E30.
<blockquote>But keep in mind the 335i you built only had two options.</blockquote>
The only other options listed on the configurator were Steptronic Transmission ($1,275) plus their associated Paddle Shifters ($100) and Active Steering ($1,400). I wouldn’t want any of these or the Leather option.
I got the impression reading the press release that a lot of goodies are included as standard features on the 135i:
<blockquote>M-inspired performance for the 135i Coupe The 135i Coupe offers more performance and a striking look thanks to M-inspired components. Features include an Aero kit for additional downforce at speed, better brake cooling and enhanced aesthetics while the Sports Suspension offers higher traction and reduced body roll with 18-inch wheels and performance tires. The Sports Suspension also includes with a high-performance brake system incorporating six-piston fixed calipers on the front and two-piston fixed calipers at the rear.
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This subject will be more interesting once the pricing for the 1-Series and R56 factory JCW become known.
Its ugly and irrelevant to the Mini. Cant understand why anyone would consider the two in the same breath.
Ehhh, it’s nothing special to me.. just another bimmer, i won’t ever buy.
I just ordered an R56 MCS 2 weeks ago knowing full well that the 1 series was going to be available in ’08. I have never driven a car as fun as the MINI, and like everyone says, the 1 series will more than likely drive just like any other BMW.
Now if they were bringing the 3 or 5 door to the US, things might be different. But when it comes down to the 1 series coupe or a MINI, MINI wins hands down!
I can’t wait to get my car!!!
This may actually be the car that gets me out of a MINI, but I’ll have to see and drive it first in person.
As someone who had two E46 3-series sedans, and then a Z4, and now an MCSc, I have to say that a 1 series could very well be my next car. It’s not as heavy or as ugly as the current 3 series, which are some of the reasons I didn’t go with a 3 series this time. And with what a fully loaded MINI costs these days, the price difference isn’t that great – especially if you factor in things like the 1 year longer maintenance warranty of the BMW, lower insurance rates on the BMW, and for most people the fact that they are closer to a BMW dealer than they are a MINI dealer.
I definitely will be test driving the 1-series when it comes out.
Now, if MINI released a RWD model with a 50/50 weight balance that was otherwise identical to the current model, that would be exciting. (but I will admit that even with FWD the MINI handles as well as or better than a 3 or a Z4 in most situations)
<blockquote>I have owned a few nice BMW’s before but seriously can say that never once setting at a light has somebody smiled at my car. I could park them in any lot and expect to not see anybody checking out the car when I come back to it.</blockquote>
I guess you ever owned a Z3 or Z4. 😉
But this is one of those things that people have to figure out – why do you want the car? Do you want it for the community or he happy face you see from people walking or driving buy? Or do you want it for how well it handles and performs.
Luckly the MINI is good at both (unlike, say, a VW Beetle). But personally I think the 1 series could offer some better handling and a phenomenal engine. I do wish the 1 series exterior looked as cute or well designed as the MINI.
Ultimately though I don’t think sales of the 1 or MINI will hurt each other.
This is what I was looking for when I bought my JCW Mini but it wasn’t available…
However, like most new BMWs, it’s pretty ugly so I don’t think I would ever buy it.
Here in the UK CAR magazine is speculating on a price of £33,000 for the 135i, whereas the Cooper S starts at £17,000. Therefore not really competing for the same market, even ticking most of the boxes in the MINI will get you a very well specified car for £21-£22,000
@ Jon: I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment! Mini is more than just another new car… People smile all the time… Almost every time I’m out somewhere there are people wanting to chat about my car… And it’s not in a show-off way either, the Mini just makes people smile!
Personally, If I ever manage to buy a car other than a Mini, (Even then I’ll have to own a Mini as a second car!)I would go for an Audi… The new TT is awesome! Or an A5..(When I’m feeling rich…)
I was considering the Clubman as a second car in a year or two. Now I’m going to have to seriously consider the 135i (Depending on price of course). Big power, small(ish) package, 50:50 weight distribution… I figure it’ll be a very fun drive, just like the MINI only in a different way.
The 1 series looks boring. It’s got a trunk AND it looks like a Volvo. I’m sure it handles great and sounds great, but I prefer my to put lipstick on something a little more unique and fun like a bulldog.
Personally, I have always liked the 1 series in the hatch form, but I love the Coupe form a lot. The whole thing is for me being a current BMW owner, I still feel that I will be more happy that I am purchasing a R56 S in January. Which will be taking over my current BMW that I will be selling sadly but I know MINI will bring back that happiness of driving. With that being said I still plan on to keep saving my money to add on to the MINI for a new BMW maybe 5 or 6 years later with an M badge.
…Or the R56 JCW Race Car. : )
Very interesting: I am a 3x E46 coupe owner (including an M3) and a Z4 3.l driver so this appeals to my “smallish” BMW taste. The N54 power plant is a gem, the basic underpinnings are directly from the E46 platform so it would be a car I might expect to feel very comfortabvle driving. All in all this might be my next and last BMW.
FYI the turbo N54 3.L engine is NOT getting very good feed-back from several quarters (track events, car press and owners) due to the very high oil temps and unexpected “limp-mode” when driven hard. My long time BMW service advisor is very displeased w/ the turbo version & feels some mayor changes may be forthcoming.
PS I would sell my R56 for this car IF it gets good fuel economy.
I like the look of this 1 series coupe a lot after looking at the more pictures. I also love rear wheel drive, I wish they would make a RWD MINI but I know that would take away from the whole MINI heritage/feeling.
Horses for courses. Can’t see MINI owners trading to BMW. But having said that R56 is now more like BMW in a different body. MINI is starting to become BMWish.
The front of 1 series will scare young children with the Bangle eagle-eye treatment. Whereas kids smile at MINI. We love MINI for what it is.
This is going to be a VERY hard choice for me between this and a R55. The practical side of me (the one that owns my current E46 Touring) is looking longingly at the R55. Smaller and more frugal than the E46 but hopefully with like practicality and suitability for a little time on the track. But the other side of me (the one considering replacing my E24 M6 with a NSX) is willing to look past the Hyundai Elantra taillights, hope for improvements in the N54 motor in something maybe more akin to a modern-day E30M3.
Looks sweet! Nice body, color, and rims. The interior looks a bit too classical for me though (kinda GTI-like, but even more so). Never been a fan of the BMW/Mercedes interiors. I’d probably get used to it though. I don’t like the whole “Rich Guy” stigma associtated with BMW, so they’re not something I’ve ever considered purchasing. I actually already feel a little that way by owning the higher-end convertible Cooper S. Anyways, I see these as being more in competition with the new Audi A4s I’ve been seeing all over the place. My pocket-rocket stays in my garage.
T8LSPIN:
I think the rich guys stigma has been changed by a “gino” look, bridge and tunnel types. I love BMW and as well as a few of you here my dad had a 2002 . I loved to park my big wheel right next to it when my dad got home at the end of the day.
I love this car; the door panels have a nice resemblance to the Z3 where the overall lines tend to guide the surfaces to the ground.
Beautiful car and I would buy one if my wife wasn’t so concerned with emissions. (shhh!…I want one ; )
meeehh…
I’m not impressed by it’s looks. I’ve never been a fan of little 3box coupes and sedans. I’m sure it drives well and all. It’s looks does not excite me like a kid on Christmas morning, like the MINI.
Would have been interested in the 1 series, had BMW brought over the Euro hatch versions. While the 1 coupe may look more sleek and refined, I have no use for this body style, given my current lifestyle circumstances.
Will this car be a threat to the R56? Time will tell. I think it has the potential to take away sales from both higher end R56 MINIs and the 3-series which has moved into old 5 series price territory and size.
You know, if you squint your eyes just enough, it looks an awful lot like a Hyundai Tiburon from the side. And that just won’t do! No matter what the performance, there’s nothing that looks like a MINI out there.
The 1 series has no impact on my MINI purchase in 2008. I appreciate BMW automobiles, but have no desire to purchase one.
No, it’s not a MINI and I love my MINI. Ken.
I think that the 1 series is awesome to look at. A little shortened & blunted looking but still awesome.
I’ve only recently seen up close and in the flesh the new Mini. I must say I like it a little less in person than in the photographs. I’m not crazy about the new headlight & front fender appearance.
My R53S still looks, sounds & smells like nirvana to me. I’ll be holding-pat for a while.
I’ve never thought of myself as a BMW owner but that 1 series does tempt, but then again … a Mini! Wow – what spectacular and singular cars! I don’t think I could NOT have a Mini given the choice.
<blockquote>The only other options listed on the configurator were Steptronic Transmission ($1,275) plus their associated Paddle Shifters ($100) and Active Steering ($1,400). I wouldn’t want any of these or the Leather option.
I got the impression reading the press release that a lot of goodies are included as standard features on the 135i</blockquote>
A well equipped 335i coupe is nearly $50k with Navigation, sport, premium and a few other items. Looks like you missed some stuff on the configurator.
With that pricing, expect a well equipped 135i coupe to start with a “4” for sure.
Hmmmm. If my golf clubs fit in the trunk then I would be all over a 128. I like the look. And, I’ll keep my 02 MCS thank you very much! 🙂
<blockquote>You know, if you squint your eyes just enough, it looks an awful lot like a Hyundai Tiburon from the side. And that just won’t do!…</blockquote>
Huh!? Maybe if they’re squinted enough to be closed.
I guess from that perspective, if you squint your eyes enough, ANY car could look like a Tiburon – even a MINI. LOL!
I know the name BMW has a premium attached…but come on! Their direct competitors are priced well below these new offerings, for very similar performance and size. Other than that, I would buy one in a heartbeat!!!
I love this car, its just a little too expensive for me.
It looks like a toy Bimmer.
It looks awful: it looks like a Hyundai. The challenged looks might make it successful in America, where good taste is a rare commodity.
Looks very nice. I’ve been waiting for the word on what version engine and when we would finally get it. After recent pictures and no diesel making it here. My wife decided she’ll pass up the Clubman in favor of the 1 series when her lease expires next summer.
She’ll probably lease the 1 series as well in hopes of easily jumping in a BMW Z1 if that materializes. 🙂 She misses her Z3 and the Z4 roadster missed the mark on her fun factor scale.
The tiny coupe is silly and impractical, imo. Give me the effing 
<blockquote>Here in the UK CAR magazine is speculating on a price of £33,000 for the 135i, whereas the Cooper S starts at £17,000. Therefore not really competing for the same market, even ticking most of the boxes in the MINI will get you a very well specified car for £21-£22,000</blockquote>
I highly doubt the 1 series will sell for £33,000 as that would mean it sells for roughly $66,000 in the US.
Could be tempted to buy a Beamer later down the track, but not a new one. My Accountant has told me horror stories of how quickly their value depreciates from new, whereas my MCS is holding reasonably well to hopefully get a decent return on sale or trade-in down the track.
In Australia we pay a 25% luxury car tax that starts from AUD $57,009, threshold which adds to the hip pocket pain. I’ll still most likely upgrade to a Clubman down the track as long as it’s below the luxury car threshold.
>I highly doubt the 1 series will sell for £33,000 as that would mean it sells for roughly $66,000 in the US.
Rule #1 in predicting BMW NA pricing… never go by the straight currency conversion. If that was the case my next MINI would be well over $50k. Instead it’s closer to $30k.
Well Ron I admit I haven’t owned either, just can say that as I personally drive down the road I see literally dozens of BMW’s. I notice them but all my mind says is “its a BMW” and is done with it, the only time I take time to really notice that its something else is when it has a M logo.
If the only reason to switch from a Mini to the 1 series would be for a better performance car there are several small cars out there that could be in contention. Its all about the the car, the community, and of course the individual Mini drivers.
<blockquote>A well equipped 335i coupe is nearly $50k with Navigation, sport, premium and a few other items. Looks like you missed some stuff on the configurator.</blockquote>
Yes I did (DOH!) but I wouldn’t be optioning anything other than the Sport Package.
Yet another bloated, heavy, overpriced sedan. Unless one is dying to get in to a BMW and need an entry vehicle, it’s the same as many other cars out there. Might be a good alternative to the Toyota/Honda/Lexus/etc 30-50K range. Totally different thing than a MINI.
I believe “Jon”, the very first post, suns up my feelings best. When all is said and done, it is just another BMW driving down the street. The MINI is unique and has the power and handling and over all fun. Owning a MINI is more than just a car. It is aso being part of a unique community.
Oh sure there are other cars out thee that I like as much as a MINI but they have their downsides. If I were looking for a convertible, it would be a tough decision between a Saturn Sky, Crossfire, or Miata. But these won’t work for me because I need a back seat. If I were looking for power, A Mustang GT is my choice, but there is even less space in the back than an R56. If I were looking at small coupes/Hatches, The Civic Si or MazdaSpeed3 is high on the list.
Overall, My choice is still the MINI. It is winning package. The 1 Series just doesn’t get me that excited.
<blockquote>blalor Jul 1st, 2007 Link
I’m really disappointed with the design of this coupé, but I’ll still be checking it out at the dealership next spring. I’m definitely interested. But it would have to be a remarkable performer to pull me away from my R53, Until the MINI’s design becomes appealing to me again I won’t be getting rid of my R53.</blockquote>
I have to agree with Brian on the looks of the R56. The R56 does not appeal to me.
If and when I replace my “03” this car will be on the list.
soccer-mom sedan
Would the 135i Coupe tempt me away from the MINI? No! At least not right away.
Do I like the looks of the Coupe, Yes! And I’ll second what KenE and Brian said. The R56 is going to take some getting used to. When I do decide to finally sell my ’06 MCS the Coupe will probably be on the short list.
The concept of a small, front engined, rear wheel drive, hatchback coupe that can perform is indeed intriguing and definitely something for me to consider. So would an AWD version of the MINI, after they clean up the interior.
However, there is no community quite like the MINI/Mini community.
I might be tempted at some point in the future for my wifes drive, but it would have to be the five door hatchback, which they won’t send so alas that won’t be in my future.
I recently had the chance to drive the 335i coupe and the Z4 3.0i in the same day. If the 135i fits somewhere between the two I would definitely consider it as a second car for my wife. Heck, I would buy a 335i if it were just a little cheaper. The Z4 was a total blast to drive, but was it was a fight to control it on the horrible roads that surround Portland, ME.
The 335 coupe on the other hand was a dream to dive. That thing was point the car and mash the go pedal. Slinging it around curves, and corners was nearly effortless.
Don’t get me wrong, I can’t imagine being without a MINI, but if the 135i follows in the footsteps of the 335i it will still be an exceedingly fun car to wind through a twisty mountain road. If some unfortunate circumstance forces me into a larger car it would be high on my list of cars to test drive.
<blockquote>soccer-mom sedan</blockquote>
<blockquote>Yet another bloated, heavy, overpriced sedan.</blockquote>
It is comments like these that make me wonder whether a some of these people even read the post. If you’re going to comment, at least know what you’re talking about. Did you even look at the photos? It isn’t even a sedan.
It amazes me how MINI owners get all upset when people describe MINIs as just being “trendy.” Yet they make similar judgements about other cars. Why all the hate people? I’m beginning to think that MINI owners are just as snobby as the BMW owners they accuse of being. What does it say that Gabe has to constantly justify his love of BMWs to the rest of the MINI community as being more than just a status symbol?
I’ve noticed that there are those who “get” this car and those that don’t. If you bother to even read some of the info on this car you will find that it wasn’t just built to be an entry-level bimmer. BMW is risking too much bringing this car to the U.S. for it to be another 318ti. This car is meant to bring BMW back to the days of the 2002. I love the look of this car (it has some excellent, yet subtle styling) and I think it will be my next new car. So yes, there is at least one person out there that will choose this over a new MINI.
What a nice clean interior, yes very BMW looking, they needed that guy on the R56 team. It’s great to hear BMW is pursuing a car like this though. However, this in no way pulls me away from MINI’s.
At this time the only company that keeps pulling my heart away from MINI’s is a company called Lotus. But regardless of my future purchases I intend to keep my MINI for a very long time. Cheers!
I’ve had my 2002 3 Series Convertible for 5 years with only 5,000 miles on it now. I love it so much and my 3 lifesize gorillas (stuffed) always travel with me. But I don’t take it to parking lots as it got spit on once and dented another.
However, I’ve had a deposit on a Mini Clubman for 18+ months and can’t wait to finally get to order it. It will be my daily driver and fun car. I can’t bear to sell my 330 as it is paid for and is a wonderful drive, but I am afraid to leave it out in public. Isn’t it sad? I work several jobs to afford my cars, no one gave them to me, but so many people just want to hurt something beautiful or cute.
I hope they will leave the Clubman alone and I hope my Greyhounds will fit in it. If not, they will just have to continue to go in the Suburban. It has my husband’s wheelchair in it, but it fits them well. (No one hurts the Suburban.)
<blockquote>What a nice clean interior, yes very BMW looking, they needed that guy on the R56 team. </blockquote>
Note the I-drive contoller knob in the lower right hand corner of the photo. I suspect that is what makes the “clean” interior possible.
“It isn’t even a sedan.” It may not be sedan chair, but it’s a sedan – has a fixed roof, front & back seats, a trunk, and doors – looks like one to me, and I bet to BMW, too. Like I said, it would be a nice adition to my stable, alongside the MINIs of course.
What do the cars weigh?
Gabe said “50/50 weight distribution” that means we take a drink, right?
I really don’t like the 5 door 1 series, I think they look too truncated at the back, like the 316 Compact (yuk!)
This car, I do like a lot..! I think if this comes in close in price to a well spec’d MINI, and there’s not a mid-life refresh of the MINI’s interior, my next car will be one of these. I doubt I could afford a 3 series, but the 1 could be just right.
There are some really cool videos on the international BMW website (dubdubdub.bmw.com). Just look for the 1-series dropdown menu and select the coupe. Pretty cool music accompanying the videos as well. You can also get a better taste of the interior by downloading the online brochure for the 1er 3 and 5 doors.
I REALLY like this car. The 135 will be a pocket rocket. It a modern version of a 2002 with an E36 M motor stuffed in it!
However I don’t think this will impact MINI much as many have noted here it’s a different market for the most part. The hatch would have possibly had some impact.
Jim
02 DS/W MCS
99 Estoril M coupe
Jon,
When I was growing up (80’s) BMW owners ALWAYS flashed their lights when passing. Once there were a lot of BMWs sold in the 90s, the exclusivity and therefor light flashing ceased. I am surprised when a Mini owner waves at me because most in my area do not. The Mini community will continue to grow which will further dillute the exclusive feel.
Gabe,
I read somewhere that BMW is planning to make a 1 series coupe that looks more like the 2002. It would be introduced a year or two after the 128/135 if memory serves. If BMW had made a coupe (anytime during the 90’s and early 2000’s) with similar dimensions to a 2002 that weighed the same or less than the Mini, I would have rushed right out and bought it. Now I want a front wheel drive hatch so my Mini is perfect.
I’m afraid I’m a MINI guy….not a BMW guy.
David T., rather odd to say I am old enough to remember some flashing during my early years of owning a BMW. While BMW does have a community it has never felt anything like the Mini community. I do agree that as the numbers of Mini grow that I do see more Mini drivers moving through there own world oblivious of any others. Still believe the one thing that still stands Mini apart, a lot of people shrug their shoulders in indifference about most BMW’s. Some people like the car, some don’t a large segment is indifferent. The mini still has mainly two groups those that like the care and those that don’t.
I believe that the car sells itself but brand loyalty is primarily from the sense of community. So the answer the question I would say would a 1 series driver be included in the BMW community the same way a Cooper is involved with our community. My experiences with BMW more often than not is that there is performance/model snobbery in the BMW clan, I believe this gulf will remain. I think its more likely we will see people move from the Mini clan to the 3/5 series than to the 1 series, hence the impact should be minimal. I am very likely to go that direction when Mini introduces a SUV, a SUV Mini would not do anything positive in my own mind to the Mini Community.
<blockquote>The BMW 1 Series Coupe is available with a choice of two upholstery options-sporty and comfortable Leatherette or rich Boston Leather. Boston Leather upholstery adds further style to the high-quality impression of the interior. And as a practical feature, map pockets are integrated in the lower part of the doors. The optional Sport Package includes sports buckets seats with enhanced side support and are finished in highly distinctive leatherette materials or Boston leather.</blockquote>
Okay that’s sounds a little familiar. They need to get <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_leather" rel="nofollow">Ricardo Montalbán</a> to read about the <em>Boston Leather</em> for the television commercials. And Boston Leather? Like, as in the <a href="http://www.bostonleather.com" rel="nofollow">police holster manufacturer</a>? Who are they kidding?
I’d be all over the ideal of BMW spiritual succesor to the 2002 or e30. But the 1 really isn’t it. Its going to come in at 3200+lbs (the 130 hatch is around that weight.) 3200+lbs is NOT lightweight.
If I was looking for a coupe, this would be on my list. But as I want a hatch, I would have to wait for BMW to bring the hatch over, or buy a Mini. I suspect the 3 door hatch would compete directly with a Mini, but this coupe is more likely to compete against a 3-series coupe.
I have been waiting for this car for quite some time. A small, powerful, driver-focussed BMW. I love my MC b/c of its driver involvement and character. After driving the new R56, all I could think about is how the 3er drives just as well and without the torque steer of the MCS right now. I want smiles behind the wheel. And I’ll always have that since my R50 isn’t going anywhere!
I was thinking about the R55 in MCS guise, but now that the 128i is coming out…and they will be close in price, even closer with a lease, I don’t know what to do but go and drive them back to back.
I also remember fellow BMW drivers waving and flashing lights in the 80’s, and now they don’t. And sadly, over the past year fewer and fewer fellow MINI drivers wave back, flash, or smile when I do.
So, the biggest question is 05-06 R53, R55, or 128i w/o options…
<blockquote>I read somewhere that BMW is planning to make a 1 series coupe that looks more like the 2002. It would be introduced a year or two after the 128/135 if memory serves.</blockquote>
I’d like to hear more about this.
well one of the “main” goals of BMW when aquiring the MINI brand was to turn MINI buyers into eventual BMW buyers … so … well … this makes sense going up the ladder.
It looks like a great car … but if they are after the young”er” buyer with a possible increase in family size … well the euro version might be better suited or even the Clubman.
I would rather have the BWM 1 over another MCS because of proximity to the dealership. Closest MINI dealership is 90 minutes away and Gabe has reported that they are in no hurry to open new dealership or allow the MINI to be serviced at a BMW dealership. I got rid of my MCS and now have a Civic Si Sedan and I love it because of how practical it is. $22k and built to last, $30 oil changes beat free $100 oil changes in my book any day.
Thanks to Gabe I now have an affinity for BMWs. I used to think they were nothing special but I now know better and would love a 328i coupe or a 335i if I wanted to spend that much money. So the 128i is probably going to keep me busy over the next 12 months but I think the smart thing to do is keep the Honda and stop spending so much of my income on my cars. The Si sounds awesome with a sporty exhaust and the 6 speed is so precise it is a real dream to drive and 8000 rpms is cool too, but I could use some more torque but not for another $100 a month for 5 years (or more).
IMO the 1 Series is going to be a great sporty compact, with high desirability, good image, etc. A car for CAR enthusiasts, DRIVING enthusiasts, but we the MINI crew are much more than that – we are MINI enthusiasts. No matter how good the E82-or-whatever-it’ll-be-called may be, it will “only” be a good car, the best in its field perhaps, but MINI will always be unique.
Having owned and enjoyed several 2002tiis and other early 3 series Bimmers, the Mini is and remains the car which most closely embodies the spirit of the these legendary forebears (despite driving the front wheels). Undoubtedly the 1 Series will be a very nice drivers car, but remains heavily laden with unnecessary gadgets and a huge weight penalty relative to the slightly purer Mini.
I had a 2005 325ci and a 06 MCS Werks car.
Yes I want this car. Perhaps BMW will be able
to bring back their old slogan, BMW the UDM.
MINI FOR LIFE
This will be a winner and will be in a class by itself. My order is in…
a little late to this party, i have been hanging out on the 1er forums….
Pretty sure the 135i is going to be my next car. While I love 95% of everything my MINI does, it’s still a FWD and i have found that FWD isn’t right for me. Not to knock the car, it’s probably one of the best FWD cars out there, but it still feels “not right”.
Just drove a 335i – auto and no sport package. Two words – Freight Train. The car had power everywhere and was easy to throw around (not MINI easy, but not as bad as you might think.)
I can not wait to experience that motor in a smaller E30-ish sized package with a 6 speed manual…
Also, it is a lot easier to give up my MINI when I know how much my wife loves hers! 🙂
just read most of the comments and i have to add this:
1) When did “drive and handle like a BMW” become a bad thing?
2) I am surprised how much weight people put into how “other people” react to their car. Yes, waves and smiles are nice, I guess what matters most to me is if it makes me smile everyday….whoops – i guess that sounds like a BMW owner! Time to pack my bags…. 🙂