BimmerFile Review: BMW M3 Sedan

pbraun Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

As I said on BimmerFile…….I will fit one of the M3 motors in my MINI - just get me one, Gabe - and I’ll do it! That would be AWESOME ! ;)

lavardera Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

More eager to hear about the update on the startup noise issue.

MINIme Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

I’ll take the MB C63 AMG over the Bimmer any day!

C4 Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

Anything with 6 or 8 cyl is a hard sell in this economy. Lovely cars BMW but the reality of it is that unless you start offering your wonderful 4 cyl and turbo-diesel engines in this country, your sales will continue to nosedive to the tune of what you witnessed in June.

Sign me up for a Turbocharged Prince powered 1-series Bimmer.

Mozza Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

The black series? Who wouldn’t but it’s also far more expensive.

VMMVMMM Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

Still prefer the MINI and don’t really care much for these bigger cars.

eto Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

Not interested in the M3, but that’s a nice scooter in the pic! :)

Craig Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

Sign me up for a Turbocharged Prince powered 1-series Bimmer.

Seconded.

The R56 JCW motor in the 1 series would be tasty!

Nathaniel Salzman Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

That Vespa LX is a nice color. Oh yeah, and the M3 is sweet too. Ha ha! Scooter nerd, present and accounted for.

Michael Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

The 1 series will be getting the PRINCE in JCW guise in the not so distant future, so that may make some MINI fans excited.

GSKChicago Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

The 1 series will be getting the PRINCE in JCW guise in the not so distant future, so that may make some MINI fans excited.

Hmmm… Sounds interesting. So my 300HP twin turbo will go away, or they are going to offer another variant of the 1 with a smaller - yet still powerful - engine?

Chuck Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

Nice car, just overpriced!

Michael Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

GSK:
BMW/MINI/PSA 4 cylinder

There are many rumors floating around about this… and is the basis for much of the tii debate.

Jon Jul 3rd, 2008 Link

Would be more excited by the 135’s motor coming to a JCW Mini rather than a Prince motored 1 series lol.

nuvolari Jul 4th, 2008 Link

Nice car, just overpriced!

and grossly overweight!

J Ryan Jul 5th, 2008 Link

Being a E46 M3 owner, I cancelled my M6 order a year ago, and I just recently cancelled my M3 order.

Reason? Mass. I am very disappointed to see BMWs kept getting heavier and bigger, while the superb engines compensate for the acceleration, you feel the pull and tug at every turn. Also, on the M-3, it is becoming less exclusive by offering it as a 4-door family car again to please the practical buyers who needs easy access to the baby seats :-)

The 1-series is interesting, easy to drive fast, but lacking the edge of a M-car. If they ever produce a M1 with DSG, stiffened suspension, faster steering, and less weight, I may return to the BMW camp. The most interesting product from BMW Group these mays may well be the JCW Cooper.

After cancelling my M3 order, I ordered a C6.5 with Z51. I haven’t been in a Chev for years, but the power and torque of the engine, combined with a 3250lbs curb weight and low c.g., immediately points out the difference between a sports car and a fast sedan. I can take turns faster, more composed, and with less drama - which points out the advantage of shedding a quarter ton from the M3 weight. The power plant is also infinitely more flexible, delivering power on-demand no matter which gear I am in.

I still think my MINI has the most telepathic steering and superb body control, it is a great day-to-day work car, so that would stay in my collection. When I hear the cold start engine noise issue is fixed in the Cooper, then I will trade it for a JCW.

Chuck Jul 9th, 2008 Link

and grossly overweight!

Yeh, like a 53 Buick!

J Ryan Jul 12th, 2008 Link

Weight trend:

E30 M3: 2760 lbs
E36 M3: 3219 lbs
E46 M3: 3415 lbs
E92 M3: 3704 lbs
E93 M3: 4145 lbs (convertible M3)
135: 3373 lbs

Need I say more? Even sedentary American are doing a better job in keeping our weight down.

It is sad to see even the 135 is only 42 lbs less than the last E46 M3, and the current M3 is HALF TON more than the original M3. What is BMW thinking?

To add insult to the injury, add a 4145 lbs convertible to the line up, a four door sedan, and a M3 wagon in 2009, BMW has essentially destroyed the famed M3 badge and turned it into an engine/suspension upgrade in its 3-series cars. Heck, why not offer a MX3 SUV while they are at it. Yes, I am sure overall sale will go up, as some wagon buyers would love to think they are driving a sports car (can we say Cheyenne?). But I think most prior M3 loyals like myself will shop elsewhere. It is going to take some serious work to make me come back.

I think 911 and Corvette fans can all let out a sign of relief as a big competitor has left the track due to obesity and busy picking up grocery at the local supermarket.

Gabe Jul 13th, 2008 Link

Some of that I agree with but much of it I don’t. Drive the M3 coupe - it’s clear that this vehicle is a completely reworked 3 series rather than an “engine/suspension” upgrade.

J Ryan Jul 14th, 2008 Link

I have driven it. I was #2 on my dealer’s order list for the M3. They called me when their first demo showed up, I drove it, and cancelled my order right after the drive and ordered the Vette a week later. I have had M cars for a number of years, so I am very aware of the rework they applied to the cars. But still, it is just too heavy to be a real sports car, you feel the mass with every single move. It feels closer to an AMG than a M of yesteryears.

What I meant by engine/suspension upgrade is the point that they are applying the M3 logo to every body style in the 3-series. It feels like an upgrade package, rather than a dedicated car that is meant for road racing if needed. And in my mind, that dilutes the allure of the M3, much like what Cheyenne did to the Porsche brand.